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Defenistrator posted:Just saw episode 9. Where the gently caress did the Kylo Rey love arc come from? https://twitter.com/BeninaStern/status/1207704703141695488
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Intel&Sebastian posted:But he wasn't? he was trying to move past the first order and everything else and do an Anakin-esque "maybe we can be benevolent rulers" thing. Maybe I’m misremembering, then. I thought it was just “we can rule together” Vader-style, i.e. Rey goes to the First Order. If not, then it’s even weirder that she doesn’t accept - she could at least try to decapitate the First Order that way, if they’d both defect. quote:Rey deciding to join would have been a ESB-worthy shocker though, I'll give you that.  what could have been quote:Kylo's appeal to her in that moment is probably the best writing the sequel trilogy has After the Ben/Han scene in TROS, I’m convinced that Adam Driver is the best actor in all of Star Wars, and the franchise doesn’t deserve him.
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Dec 23, 2019 23:24
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dex_sda posted:It not happening. Oh gently caress, this, this! This could be good too! gently caress, TLJ! https://youtu.be/HEb1jZErYeE
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Dec 23, 2019 23:25
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Pollyanna posted:Oh gently caress, this, this! Fix the Canto Bight section to be not-awful, probably by focusing on Poe and Finn since they also have amazing chemistry, and it would have belonged in the same sentence as Empire. These two years would have been filled with hype. Instead, everything sucks. The last 30 minutes of TLJ are worse than pointless. e; You could also have Rey actually join at the end of the movie, would have made for an equally good cliffhanger, though I think leaving it ambiguous would have been better.
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Dec 23, 2019 23:26
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Mymla posted:I can't decide which scene was worse, the one where 500 star destroyers couldn't immediately destroy the rebels' 5 fighters, or the one where 5000 randos showed up out of nowhere for the last battle just because... idk why? Lando made some calls maybe? I guess JJ saw Dunkirk along with the rest of us in 2017 and thought, "that's a cool idea for a Star Wars"
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Dec 23, 2019 23:29
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dex_sda posted:You could also have Rey actually join at the end of the movie, would have made for an equally good cliffhanger, though I think leaving it ambiguous would have been better. gently caress, then the Holdo maneuver would double as the shock audiences feel at Rey accepting! I dunno if it’d work, but it’s worth a try. Dammit! The more time goes by, the less I feel angry about TLJ and the more I just feel sad and disappointed.
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Dec 23, 2019 23:30
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People I think will have amazing careers after this trilogy : Driver Isaac People who won’t Boyega Not sure: Ridley
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Dec 23, 2019 23:33
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Brother Entropy posted:it's newtypes making connections in gundam i havent seen the movie yet, does it have psycho-frame x-wings
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Dec 23, 2019 23:35
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Pollyanna posted:gently caress, then the Holdo maneuver would double as the shock audiences feel at Rey accepting! I dunno if it’d work, but it’s worth a try. Dammit! And were it Leia doing that maneuver instead, it would make so much more sense for Luke to finish his arc. He sat idly by because he thought Jedi deserved to die (which was a cool idea too!), but he's gonna find the bottle after his sister sacrificed herself for the cause. And poo poo, if we're going into crazy idea territory, in the third one, you could even make it so that Kylo does want to do this weird benevolent rule by force, and then that corrupts Rey while Kylo still has good in him. I mean you probably don't want to do this because chuds would go apeshit happy about Rey breaking bad but it's at least an interesting direction that it could go in, one of a thousand ones. It ain't loving shakespaere, but it's about the level of interesting and thoughtful the original trilogy had.
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Dec 23, 2019 23:36
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They could have had Luke fighting Kylo in TLJ be the thing that ignited people to join the rebels after rumor/footage of it spread out throughout the galaxy and started TROS with the First Order having a hard time fighting them off. I feel like these movies were way too in love with the idea that the rebels were the very very tiny underdogs. And have Hux foment a coup. And if they really needed some Big Bad for Rey to beat then just have Snoke be Plagueis after all. It would have been dumb, but infinitely less dumb than bringing back Palpatine. Pollyanna posted:After the Ben/Han scene in TROS, I’m convinced that Adam Driver is the best actor in all of Star Wars, and the franchise doesn’t deserve him. He is and they don't. I'm bummed that we won't ever get to see him as Ben Solo because that dude seemed fun. But even if Disney wanted him to, I can't see Adam Driver ever touching SW ever again. Lilikoi fucked around with this message at 23:41 on Dec 23, 2019 |
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I don't think it's much of a stretch believe someone would want to have sex with an old ugly dude like Palpatine when he's the most powerful man in the galaxy. That said, I'm 100% certain that some novel or comic book will clarify that no, Palpatine actually had no interest in conventional coitus as he considered it a form of weakness and actually he just wanted an heir he could mold into the perfect apprentice so he had a high ranking female Imperial officer artificially inseminated or something. And that will really be too bad.
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Dec 23, 2019 23:37
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dex_sda posted:So the RLM review dropped and it's probably better than the movie. It certainly sounds that way from their description lmfao. Mike seems to have convinced himself that the Palpatine at the end of the film is a character we've never seen before, and that the Palpatine from the PT and the OT was just a clone of said character we are now just only being introduced to in TROS, lmao.
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Dec 23, 2019 23:38
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Crusader posted:i havent seen the movie yet, does it have psycho-frame x-wings I loving wish someday someone working on a star wars property will rip off fin funnels and it'll blow people's minds
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Dec 23, 2019 23:39
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teagone posted:Mike seems to have convinced himself that the Palpatine at the end of the film is a character we've never seen before, and that the Palpatine from the PT and the OT was just a clone of said character we are now just only being introduced to in TROS, lmao. Yeah it owns, but it owns even more that he manages to convince the others it could be true because the movie itself doesn't bother to explain it.
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Dec 23, 2019 23:39
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teagone posted:Mike seems to have convinced himself that the Palpatine at the end of the film is a character we've never seen before, and that the Palpatine from the PT and the OT was just a clone of said character we are now just only being introduced to in TROS, lmao. that guy's on some SMG-tier brainspace
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Dec 23, 2019 23:40
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Brother Entropy posted:that guy's on some SMG-tier brainspace alcohol induced dementia
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Samara posted:People I think will have amazing careers after this trilogy : I think Daisy will be fine
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Dec 23, 2019 23:42
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dex_sda posted:Yeah it owns, but it owns even more that he manages to convince the others it could be true because the movie itself doesn't bother to explain it. TROS does explain how Palpatine still exists, but it uses a line appropriated from the PT to do it lol.
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Dec 23, 2019 23:43
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teagone posted:Mike seems to have convinced himself that the Palpatine at the end of the film is a character we've never seen before, and that the Palpatine from the PT and the OT was just a clone of said character we are now just only being introduced to in TROS, lmao. Guess if I spent my life being held up by a crane I'd be pissed too.
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Dec 23, 2019 23:43
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teagone posted:TROS does explain how Palpatine still exists, but it uses a line appropriated from the PT to do it lol. It's not specific what exactly he did, though, right?
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Dec 23, 2019 23:44
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dex_sda posted:It's not specific what exactly he did, though, right? No, that's the point. It's Sheev smugly saying "the darkside has powers that kept me alive  "
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Dec 23, 2019 23:45
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Samara posted:People I think will have amazing careers after this trilogy:
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The movie doesn't really "explain" it since there's no way to explain away falling down a shaft, being blown up, and then the station it happened on blowing the gently caress up.
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Dec 23, 2019 23:46
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teagone posted:No, that's the point. It's Sheev smugly saying "the darkside has powers that kept me alive He literally repeats the “unnatural things” line from RotS, christ.
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dex_sda posted:Fix the Canto Bight section to be not-awful... Canto Bight - and DJ, for that matter - get better if Rey takes Kylo up on his offer. Rey isn't privvy to it, but ostensibly Canto Bight and DJ exist to show the audience that the Star War is pointless and all those guns are being pointed at the wrong people. Given what we've seen up to that point (and honestly, now that we know how Skywalker turned out), Kylo is probably right - the past should burn. Like, the meme of TLJ is that the entire movie is about rejecting the past, but it really ends by very explicitly, repeatedly repudiating that idea. Rey slaps Kylo's hand away, Luke clowns on him, and Yoda saved the jedi textbooks. My fan fic of the entire situation is that that script existed at some point, but for obvious reasons someone higher up said "absolutely loving not."
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Groovelord Neato posted:The movie doesn't really "explain" it since there's no way to explain away falling down a shaft, being blown up, and then the station it happened on blowing the gently caress up. Yes, but the darkside is a pathway to abilities some consider to be unnatural. [edit] Pollyanna posted:He literally repeats the “unnatural things” line from RotS, christ. I know, lol. I said already said that. teagone fucked around with this message at 23:50 on Dec 23, 2019 |
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Dec 23, 2019 23:47
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That was my least favourite Star Wars film. I just felt it was poorly paced and structured and the cool/woah/visually stunning moments and set pieces weren't good enough to carry it. It was convoluted but not as a result of it being complex or deep. It moved so quickly from place to place but not in a way that gave it momentum or any drive towards a climactic or emotional moments. It's easy to follow that A leads to B leads to C leads to D, but if none of the backstory or legwork is done on why these things happen the sense of purpose (and really, the stakes) go missing. This was the first Star Wars I ever really felt bored in and it's mostly because Rey going to defeat her super evil grandfather combined with a weird race-against-the-clock with The Riders of Rohan just never seem compelling or dramatic. Maybe it's yet another case of directors/producers thinking increasing the bodycount (1 planet destroyer to 1000s of them) actually increases the emotional stakes. IMO the relationship and conflict between Rey and Kylo was the most compelling part of this trilogy and moving away from that to an evil fleet destroying lighting master just made it all seem lame.
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Ingmar terdman posted:Rey's arc: This is the best synopsis  Add "has to pay off Uber Grandpa Boomer's debts"
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Boxman posted:Canto Bight - and DJ, for that matter - get better if Rey takes Kylo up on his offer. Rey isn't privvy to it, but ostensibly Canto Bight and DJ exist to show the audience that the Star War is pointless and all those guns are being pointed at the wrong people. Given what we've seen up to that point (and honestly, now that we know how Skywalker turned out), Kylo is probably right - the past should burn. Like, the meme of TLJ is that the entire movie is about rejecting the past, but it really ends by very explicitly, repeatedly repudiating that idea. Rey slaps Kylo's hand away, Luke clowns on him, and Yoda saved the jedi textbooks. Yep! I'm kinda convinced there was outside pressure that made the last 30 minutes the way they are, even though people in the production say there weren't (of course they wouldn't, they like Johnson as a scapegoat). Apparently in early edits and cuts, Canto Bight was more of a Bond-like interlude with Poe and Finn instead of Rose and Finn. That's just stuff I heard from a friend, I would have to dig for the source. The final minutes of TLJ are just so schizophrenic it can't have been in the script. Even the Jedi textbook thing reeks of "oh poo poo, we filmed this Burning The Textbooks Is Actually A Good Thing Even Yoda Agrees With Luke On This thing but actually Rey is a Jedi in the newest cut uhhhhhh show the loving books!!" Like, Johnson isn't an amazing writer, but while Looper had problems it was coherent; and Knives Out is by all accounts very, very well written and directed. dex_sda fucked around with this message at 23:53 on Dec 23, 2019 |
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Just finished watching this mess. It was obvious fan service, and ads for toys. Why did Leia, and then Ben Solo just randomly die? The deaths in this were either through Looney Toons violence, or completely random. I laughed at the attempt to combine the endings of Revenge of the Sith, and Return of the Jedi, for literally no reason. There was no reason for Rey to go to Tatooine, and then again we are given more product placement in the form of her own lightsaber that will now be sold as a toy. The only things I liked were the new droid, and Ewoks got a very quick cameo.
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teagone posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YSadv4XkLc8 Because the overt context of the scene is Rey joining the dark side.
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to me. The intimacy isn't even subtext; poo poo is right there.
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Brother Entropy posted:it's newtypes making connections in gundam loving this Star Wars finally stole something from Gundam. If only they could have stolen more interesting ideas from it 
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The thread is coming down unexpectedly hard on babu frik. There's no patience for him to be had here. I don't like it but I accept it
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Defenistrator posted:Because the overt context of the scene is Rey joining the dark side. Jedi are known to be celibate. The Dark Side fucks.
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General Dog posted:I don't think it's much of a stretch believe someone would want to have sex with an old ugly dude like Palpatine when he's the most powerful man in the galaxy. I don't like to be indelicate, but it is worth mentioning that Palpatine siring children doesn't require anyone to want to have sex with him...
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No Mods No Masters posted:The thread is coming down unexpectedly hard on babu frik. There's no patience for him to be had here. I don't like it but I accept it Babu is the only good part of the movie.
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You could also argue Palpatine has the power to change his appearance like Zeus to seduce women. They both can conjure lightning, so it's not that much of stretch. Also, again, unnatural abilities, etc.
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I said come in! posted:Just finished watching this mess. It was obvious fan service, and ads for toys. Why did Leia, and then Ben Solo just randomly die? I'm still wondering if they decided Ben Solo was going to die at the last minute because so much about that was weird. So the Lupita alien says Leia has to sacrifice all to save her son, but then all she does is die so he gets distracted and gets mortally wounded. Even if she knew Rey was going to heal him, which brought him back to the light, I thought it was weird that her body only disappeared after his body does and she, Luke or Anakin don't talk to him once. I was sure she'd become one with the force so he didn't have to.
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teagone posted:Mike seems to have convinced himself that the Palpatine at the end of the film is a character we've never seen before, and that the Palpatine from the PT and the OT was just a clone of said character we are now just only being introduced to in TROS, lmao. So exactly what happened to Master Asia in G Gundam.
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TheKingofSprings posted:So exactly what happened to Master Asia in G Gundam. it's gundam all the way down
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