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Dec 25, 2019 19:22
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my favorite christmas gift is another person to toss into the ignore pile forever
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Dec 25, 2019 19:27
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I would almost take pity on the person who can’t appreciate the combination of dumbass AI and assdumb physics.
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Dec 25, 2019 19:36
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flatluigi posted:my favorite christmas gift is another person to toss into the ignore pile forever Never understood the "welcome to my ignore list  " flex folks like to do
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Dec 25, 2019 19:37
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I will collect all the games, even the ones I already own elsewhere
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Dec 25, 2019 19:41
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The games are free, but the shitposting costs 
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Dec 25, 2019 19:58
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free games killed his parents, you monsters
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Dec 25, 2019 20:05
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A lot of freeware games suck, so it's only to be expected.
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Dec 25, 2019 20:19
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I played an earlier version of TABS and it's hilarious fun FTL was easily in the top 3 best games of oh god it was 2012
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Dec 25, 2019 20:22
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Alright folks I see the error of my ways and I must ask for the forgiveness of anyone who took offense from my previous two posts, especially to Zesty. I recognise that everywhere in the world there are gamers who are in need of games but who do not for one reason or another have the resources necessary to play those games, whether those barriers be based on a lack of available hardware or software, parental permission or education on how to get games affordably; whether that be part of a steam sale or humble bundle(tm) offering. For gamers who do not have access to sufficient money to play the games they would like to play, what I have said and how I have said it must've appeared to them as caddish and an unpardonable offense, one which I am sorry for. And again to reiterate what I just said is not acceptable in any way, shape or form and I can only beg forgiveness and hope to expect none. Game on. This was not a prepared statement.
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Dec 25, 2019 20:35
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so did you get the games or what
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Dec 25, 2019 20:57
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Len posted:Never understood the "welcome to my ignore list When you get back from my “ignore” list, we expect a trip report. baka kaba posted:so did you get the games or what I think it was a humble brag because he didn’t need the free games anyway. Not like poors do.
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Dec 25, 2019 21:01
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Deep Thought posted:Alright folks I see the error of my ways and I must ask for the forgiveness of anyone who took offense from my previous two posts, especially to Zesty. i just made an indie game about your redemption arc called "the forum miracle" and i'm giving it away
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Dec 25, 2019 21:03
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Back to the topic... Did anyone mention Warzone 2100 yet? It's not only free now, it's open source. https://wz2100.net/
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Dec 25, 2019 21:03
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Hav posted:I think it was a humble brag because he didn’t need the free games anyway. Not like poors do. yeah but if Steam disappears even the king of games won't be spared, why not have caches of games all around the internet honestly all the Epic stuff has seemed really solid, lots of classics and fan favs and some pretty new stuff too like Celeste and Ape Out. What's to complain about?
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Dec 25, 2019 21:10
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baka kaba posted:yeah but if Steam disappears even the king of games won't be spared, why not have caches of games all around the internet the complaints seem to be around the fact that they pay for exclusive 6-12 month periods..and then slightly less vocal are the fact that they are a corporation and/or are 40% owned by a chinese company. i'm the type of person that waits on things to be dlc complete anyway, so i end up already waiting 6 months to a year for a GOTY..so I got nothing there.. the chinese thing is a bit disconcerting if you don't realize at this point every corporation will sell your data, so uhh, china knowing i own "fez" isn't really doing much for me here. maybe the larger issue is human rights abuse in china itself and the ethics behind doing business with them, etc etc, but like, this where you wanna have that out? over the people that make fortnite???
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Dec 25, 2019 21:21
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The Office of Personnel Management already let China steal my personal information, and all I got out of it was 1 year of ID theft protection. I don't really care if China knows that I like Outer Wilds and that I commented "that's a cool cat" on a tiktok video.
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Dec 25, 2019 21:25
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But if I buy a game there I'll have to install multiple game launchers and that's just so much effort
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Dec 25, 2019 21:28
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The Epic games store is yet another case of a billionaire venture capitalist trying to "disrupt" an established industry by operating unsubstainably because they can eat the losses year after year until they've taken over the market, it's trying to do to PC gaming what Amazon did to retail and Uber did to transit. It didn't work thankfully, and hopefully now that they're going to be turning off the tap of free games the people who are weirdly compelled to do free PR work for billionaires will simmer down and find some other inane cause to latch onto.
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Dec 25, 2019 21:36
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Sleeveless posted:The Epic games store is yet another case of a billionaire venture capitalist trying to "disrupt" an established industry by operating unsubstainably because they can eat the losses year after year until they've taken over the market, it's trying to do to PC gaming what Amazon did to retail and Uber did to transit. It didn't work thankfully, and hopefully now that they're going to be turning off the tap of free games the people who are weirdly compelled to do free PR work for billionaires will simmer down and find some other inane cause to latch onto. Oh for sure dude
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Dec 25, 2019 21:53
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I'm bad at business, but Uber and Amazon feel different to me. They dropped things at a lower price, exploited workers, and then raised prices once the competition was successfully out of the area. Epic gave out some free games, kept things at the same price point as if they were launching on steam, probably exploited workers because  I don't really see a difference between buying something on Epic and buying something on Steam. Epic has less anime porn games though so there's that? Edit: that said I haven't actually paid for anything on Epic because I don't really game on PC that much anymore
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Dec 25, 2019 21:54
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ive gotten i think every free game epic has offered so far, but havent posted about it anywhere but this thread. when can i expect my chinese communist blood money check
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Dec 25, 2019 22:11
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I'm conflicted on Epic paying for exclusives, on one hand it's blocking competition but on the other hand what competition is there when Steam is a de-facto monopoly that 99% of PC gamers will default to no matter what, even if the game is cheaper on another launcher, or available DRM-free on GOG, or the Steam version is just a shim that launches another launcher to launch the game (e.g. Ubisoft games). Steam is simply too entrenched for a new store to get any traction naturally, even if a store launched with 1:1 feature parity to Steam people still wouldn't use it because their existing library is on Steam, their friends are on Steam, the Steam workshop has more content, the Steam discussion boards and guides are more populated, etc, etc. Throwing money around like Epic and Microsoft are with gamepass is the only way they're going to get their foot in the door and maybe get some organic non-subsidised traffic once people have been coaxed into installing their launcher and making an account by all the subsidised stuff. Epic does need to dump more resources into actually improving their launcher though. I can live without most of the stuff Steam has but come on, at least add achievement tracking 
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Dec 25, 2019 22:17
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I tried Subnautica when it was free, learned I hate it as much as all the craftothons, and uninstalled it and Epic. The End
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Dec 25, 2019 22:31
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repiv posted:I'm conflicted on Epic paying for exclusives, on one hand it's blocking competition but on the other hand what competition is there when Steam is a de-facto monopoly that 99% of PC gamers will default to no matter what, even if the game is cheaper on another launcher, or available DRM-free on GOG, or the Steam version is just a shim that launches the game on another launcher (e.g. Ubisoft games). Microsoft, Sony and Nintendo all have console exclusive games, even beyond the ones made by their internal studios, at least when Epic gets an exclusive game I don't have to buy a $300 system to play it.
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Dec 25, 2019 22:42
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I don’t care about Epic’s business practices as much as I care about not installing another loving launcher. As long as I have a backlog, that’s enough reason for me.
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Dec 25, 2019 22:45
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Skwirl posted:Microsoft, Sony and Nintendo all have console exclusive games, even beyond the ones made by their internal studios, at least when Epic gets an exclusive game I don't have to buy a $300 system to play it. But it splits the username irreparably! I mean sure you already have a computer, and your friend list exists, you can start a steam voice chat and play something different, discord exists and most of my social group has moved to that, but it splits the userbase because you have to *checks notes* install another program
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Len posted:I'm bad at business, but Uber and Amazon feel different to me. They dropped things at a lower price, exploited workers, and then raised prices once the competition was successfully out of the area. Epic gave out some free games, kept things at the same price point as if they were launching on steam, probably exploited workers because Their cut they take for game sales is about half of what Steam charges, which isn't actually enough to even cover the costs of running the store front. Its unsustainable in the long term but in the short term it's exactly the kind of thing that makes developers see dollar signs and switch over and sing their praises and think that the corporation is their friend, just like all the Uber drivers who exalted how much better working there was than working for taxi companies until Uber slashed their pay as soon as they destroyed the competition. But yeah if you're incredibly naive then it's really easy to go "wow I can't believe people hate that devs are getting paid more uwu" and think you're incredibly smart for doing so.
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Dec 25, 2019 23:04
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The only true Epic exclusive is this stupid derail that pops up in every single thread
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KillHour posted:Back to the topic... Did anyone mention Warzone 2100 yet? It's not only free now, it's open source. I actually remembered this a few weeks back (it's been open source for, what, a decade?) and looked into it. There was a relatively recent release I believe. Neat game, released deep in the heart of the "literally build your own army" gimmick I think it's the only one that did it well enough to be remembered.
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epic is majority owned by the CCP at this point (not 40%) and their privacy policy explicitly allows them to build dossiers on you using your PII from third parties, and does not specify who those third parties are or can be. it also provides unlimited license for them to sell these dossiers to whomever they please. they have also been caught on multiple occasions installing spyware on client machines for unknown and uncommented on purposes, most recently they were caught parsing the steam clientregistry.blob to import everything about you. their half-hearted explanation that they were trying to get friends list information for fortnite was met by steam's reps saying "hey there's an API for that exact purpose and it's existed for years, is actually secure, and you've never used them once we can audit that so we know that for sure" so either epic is so incompetent that they don't know how to search public API documents or they're lying through their teeth for some unknown reason. their practices are hands down and no argument the most aggressively anti-consumer on the internet and it goes way above and beyond any data breach theft because a data breach does not provide a constant stream of information that can be constantly updated from resources you yourself are providing. and that's just the privacy portion, not the exclusive buying that we've already had a lot said about. if you personally evaluate your identity to be worth so little that the dozens or hundreds of hours of entertainment you will get from cashing in on their freebies to be appropriate compensation then by all means get them all and enjoy them. that is a completely valid conclusion t come to. but understand that you are productizing yourself willingly for unknown purposes, and personally i find that both a terrible economic deal and morally repugnant besides.
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Is there sources for all of that? Because there's also people running around SA posting stuff like "once you uninstall a game you can never get it again lol" the amount of poo poo stirring over the Epic store because it makes you install another launcher is ridiculous
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Dec 26, 2019 00:07
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Wow a lot of posts in here there must have been a lot of free Christmas day games! Oh
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Dec 26, 2019 00:14
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the epic store is simultaneously a clown show barely held together by intern Vadim who's too busy uploading the games to program a shopping cart, and also a trillion-dollar state-level Chinese op designed to harvest all westerners' identities while destroying local hero Gabe Newell himself also you can play some games, for free
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Len posted:Is there sources for all of that? Because there's also people running around SA posting stuff like "once you uninstall a game you can never get it again lol" the amount of poo poo stirring over the Epic store because it makes you install another launcher is ridiculous you can check my question mark, i have posted links to this poo poo before and i'm reluctant to do it again when people are so incredibly sensitive about someone saying "you should understand that this has costs and i personally dislike these costs but i respect the logic behind you thinking it's ok"
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Dec 26, 2019 00:18
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Remember when Reddit made a huge deal about EGS  reading system root certificates as if that's not something that literally any browser or app that otherwise loads web pages has to do lolEGS doesn't have a perfect track record (pulling friends into from Steam was questionable) but people are loving desperate to smear it to the point of spouting absolute nonsense
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Dec 26, 2019 00:20
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repiv posted:I'm conflicted on Epic paying for exclusives, on one hand it's blocking competition but on the other hand what competition is there when Steam is a de-facto monopoly that 99% of PC gamers will default to no matter what, even if the game is cheaper on another launcher, or available DRM-free on GOG, or the Steam version is just a shim that launches another launcher to launch the game (e.g. Ubisoft games). My problem is less "they're paying for exclusives" and more "they're playing for exclusion". A big example of this is phoenix point, which is available on microsoft game store but not steam, because epic. I mean I get it, but pfft.
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the most hilarious thing about pheonix point is that long-time backers can really tell where the effort stopped on the game and its backslide into the existing buggy and weird mess it currently is began unsurprisingly it was like the month after its financial success was guaranteed by an epic buyout
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Sleeveless posted:Their cut they take for game sales is about half of what Steam charges, which isn't actually enough to even cover the costs of running the store front. Its unsustainable in the long term but in the short term it's exactly the kind of thing that makes developers see dollar signs and switch over and sing their praises and think that the corporation is their friend, just like all the Uber drivers who exalted how much better working there was than working for taxi companies until Uber slashed their pay as soon as they destroyed the competition. what makes u think that their cut is unsustainable? U imagine Steam is making a minimal profit on their store-front? Even when Epic has less hooks designed 2 trap u in their ecosystem (workshop, marketplace, forums, badges, etc.)? How does something like Itch.IO exist when they're significantly more dev-friendly in their percentages? Obviously they're a smaller store-front but what...u imagine if they got bigger they'd instantly collapse? Or they're secretly bleeding tons & are cynically scheming? I mean, yes, if a company has a monopoly then there's lots of incentive for them to exploit everyone for the bottom line. But Steam has that monopoly rn & are doing that exact thing with their revenue cut...the solution isn't "well let's all switch to EGS" and 'capitalist competition' doesn't actually work but, if a developer sees that a company gives them a bigger cut, they don't owe fealty or loyalty to Steam or whatever & the worst-case scenario ur portraying is that if u buy something frorm Epic & the dev gets a bigger cut than Steam, eventually they might return to the same revenue cut for Devs that Steam already has (because then they'll be a monopoly...like Steam already is) ,so, for now, who cares? It's a roundabout way 2 get ur tax money back from Epic/Disney & China (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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