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Phi230 posted:A book only has words, idiot Are there any words that say the Martians all wear black?
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Pizza Segregationist posted:Do Martians wear all black clothes in the books? I thought it was a good touch really helped give Mars that authoritarian look. Cancer is more curable/manageable than the common cold is now. People can regrow spines with a little rack time. Figure blindness is basically a paper-cut at this point. Remember Play-doh? The original function of that stuff was to clean wallpaper. Because people covered their walls with wallpaper to keep coal dust from getting on their walls. Because they heated their homes with coal furnaces. Then electricity became a thing, so people didn't need coal furnaces. So they could pull down their wallpaper and paint their walls. So they didn't need weird claylike stuff to clean the wall-paper they no longer needed. So some dude came up with the idea of using colorful dyes with the clay cleaner and selling it as Play-doh. Speech-to-text is useful for people who are permanently blind. But most people in The Expanse aren't permanently blind. There's probably a market for speech-to-text to help little kids learn to read, but figure that's about it. And figure that space was an issue so they didn't take along a bunch of kid's learning aids for this trip. Everyone fucked around with this message at 19:10 on Dec 26, 2019 |
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Dec 26, 2019 19:07
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Pizza Segregationist posted:Do Martians wear all black clothes in the books? I thought it was a good touch really helped give Mars that authoritarian look. They're all computers from Blade Runner and only speak Japanese
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Dec 26, 2019 19:50
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gfarrell80 posted:The 1st Cylon war (the robo revolution) is background for the series, not really present. The reason why the cylons revolted in the 1st cylon war is of miniscule concern in the series, I am not sure it is really even covered. The statement "The Colonials enslave Cylons and extract labor from them to enrich themselves" is somewhat questionable. To enslave something it has to be sentient. I'm not sure the colonials in the 1st cylon war were knowingly enslaving sentient robots; my understanding was that it was kinda a skynet type moment causing the 1st cylon war. More the classic 'be wary of technology because it will kill you' myth (Daedalus/Icarus) than a warning against colonialism. The skinjobs lobotomized the older Cylons with special devices to make them obedient. It was a major plot point when the rebel skinjobs liberated their Cylons and started treating them as equals and joined the Colonials. The Cylons were clearly sentient when they were enslaved before the rebellion. I don't think it's possible for them to have been so ubiquitous in society and for nobody to notice that. People just didn't give a poo poo. The same thing happened on Kobol and on Earth I too. The poorer colonies come up a couple of times in the main show. Mainly by characters being classicist to the "ignorant dirt farmers" from the poorer colonies. Everyone posted:Actually, you should care what white supremacists think because in our real world, white people still rule the world. Well, rich people do, and the largest percentage of rich people are white. It's not about rear end in a top hat MAGA nazi-types. White people (and I am one) want to stay "supreme" because that's the status quo. Rich people tend to be white. Rich people support the status quo so they can stay rich. I mean, I don't disagree with you here but I think that's too much projecting our own issues on a vastly different future society. Who knows if 300 years from now NA and Europe will still have a hegemonic position or if there will be hegemons at all. It might become a multipolar world order. 300 years is a really long time. It seems that life expectancy and population numbers have stabilized. Earth's hosed up state is not transitional but permanent. And whatever is broken with earth will follow the colonists to the stars. In 300 years all these planets will be beyond their carrying capacity too and suffer from the same problems. It's just kicking the can down the road and not a real solution.
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Dec 26, 2019 20:37
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GABA ghoul posted:I mean, I don't disagree with you here but I think that's too much projecting our own issues on a vastly different future society. Who knows if 300 years from now NA and Europe will still have a hegemonic position or if there will be hegemons at all. It might become a multipolar world order. 300 years is a really long time. quote:Romans 3:23 English Standard Version (ESV) That's why Earth is permanently hosed. Even if the "Expansers" instituted some kind of "constructive genocide" to reduce their numbers to, say, 10% of their current population, Earth, Mars the Belt and those on the 1300 worlds would end up hosed again in 500 or 300 or 50 years. It is in the nature of humanity to "game the system." We hairless apes created technology and civilization to game the natural system, to protect ourselves from nature and each other. While our knowledge, tools and customs may change, our essential nature does not. Some bunch will develop some advantage, exploit it and rise to the top. And then they'll try to make their time at "the top" permanent, until some other bunch figures out some better advantage and displaces them. Economic systems, religious movements, methods of government, all of those might have some effect in mitigating some of that, but it will still be true. The only way to solve humanities' problems is to "cure" humanity of being human. Turn us into robots. Release the proto-molecule to shape us into hive-minded flesh machines. Or. Or have faith that our essential flaw in gaming the system is also an asset that will let us figure out how to clean our nests when we foul them.
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Dec 27, 2019 00:16
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Or just keep expanding lol space is big, there's plenty of space for us
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Caprica showed that before the 1st Cylon War the Colonies were pretty advanced, like there is a massive VR system that's as good as real life, smart paper that works like a computer and a bunch of other fancy tech.The company run by Eric Stolz was creating simple AIs and that lead to the Gen 1 cylons that could do any and all menial tasks perfectly, which included combat. Their reveal to the public was landing in a stadium and killing bombers before they could suicide them into people. At the end we see a montage of basically what season 2 would have been, showing Cylons being used to walk dogs and mow lawns and such, but also suggesting they have some kind of awareness because they use the VR system to attend Church. IT is also shown that Skinjob Cyclons are clearly created by Stolz because it shows him created a new robot body for his daughters avatar that was trapped in the VR world after his actual daughter was blown up by her friend who was part of the radical monotheist cult.
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Dec 27, 2019 01:00
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Holy gently caress shut up about BSG, an absolute garbage show when compared to the Expanse, which is what we're here forPhi230 posted:Or just keep expanding lol space is big, there's plenty of space for us  In hundreds of years, after continuing to hijack and figure out protomolecule/Builder technology I think we'd have plenty of space and/or technological advances that a lack of space/overpopulation would not be a major issue
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Dec 27, 2019 01:16
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Johnny Truant posted:Holy gently caress shut up about BSG, an absolute garbage show when compared to the Expanse, which is what we're here for It would only be a matter of time until they figured out how to use protomolecule to generate artificial gravity and inertia dampening like Eros had, and start building massive space habitats and ships that go ludicrous speeds to reach other stars manually.
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Dec 27, 2019 01:19
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Sandwich Anarchist posted:It would only be a matter of time until they figured out how to use protomolecule to generate artificial gravity and inertia dampening like Eros had, and start building massive space habitats and ships that go ludicrous speeds to reach other stars manually. I just triple checked that this topic wasn't the spoiler topic cause I just nearly fell straight into book chat, haha But yup, I agree. I don't think we'd ever fully unlock the protomolecule's capabilities, but it's naive to think that some company wouldn't start loving around with it in the future
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Dec 27, 2019 01:23
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Phi230 posted:Or just keep expanding lol space is big, there's plenty of space for us TFW you don't understand the science of capitalism.
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Dec 27, 2019 02:12
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Fidel Cuckstro posted:TFW you don't understand the science of capitalism. His gimmick is "I'm a loving dumbass lol", just ignore him like the rest of us
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Dec 27, 2019 02:24
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Sandwich Anarchist posted:His gimmick is "I'm a loving dumbass lol", just ignore him like the rest of us I remember Phi. I hate to think of what childhood memories got replaced with the list of bad SA posters that I knew 4 years ago.
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Dec 27, 2019 02:28
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Johnny Truant posted:Holy gently caress shut up about BSG, an absolute garbage show when compared to the Expanse, which is what we're here for Agreed, I just remember way to much about that stupid show. It's another one of those "if you liked this, you should watch The Expanse." But its hard because BSG and Firefly and many of the other shows from the early 2000s are too engrained into the nerd mind, because it was before streaming. There was a unified culture because there were only so many sources. Now everything is everywhere, and even if something is the best thing ever, like the Expanse, its hard to sell it on people still stuck in the early 2000s. God drat Firefly sucks and the fact its still a nerd touchstone pisses me off.
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Dec 27, 2019 02:35
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I liked it. The overall universe seemed interesting. But the fandom was insular and toxic.
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Dec 27, 2019 02:39
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Great potential but I thought at least half the episodes sucked. Like the one where Mal prepares for a sword duel. I suppose it's a better track record than traditional scifi shows like Star Trek where the first 30 episodes suck.
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Dec 27, 2019 02:48
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If Firefly was given a chance to get more seasons, it might have fleshed things out and gotten really good, but it didn't. The best it will ever be is a cult classic that had a few years where people, in hushed tones, would say "have you heard about this cancelled sci-fi show? here, take my DVDs and watch it" that died off once science fiction space shows took off again. Now there are too many multi-season space shows out there to even consider telling someone about Firefly that hasn't already heard of it.
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Dec 27, 2019 02:52
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Firefly existing gave us Serenity, so it's good in my book.
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Dec 27, 2019 02:55
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Firefly counterpoint: insanely hot young Christina Hendricks.
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Dec 27, 2019 02:58
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Apparatchik Magnet posted:Firefly counterpoint: insanely hot young Christina Hendricks. Fuckin a
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Dec 27, 2019 03:02
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Firefly's a good, solid show. It's funny, and the characters are strong, vibrant figures with likeable personalities, set in a universe that was relatively unique at the time of airing. Show good.
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Dec 27, 2019 03:05
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BSG is bad now?
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Open Source Idiom posted:Firefly's a good, solid show. It's funny, and the characters are strong, vibrant figures with likeable personalities, set in a universe that was relatively unique at the time of airing. It's got one shade of confederate apology too much for my liking. Entertaining though. And Serenity was an enjoyable space adventure movie.
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Combat Pretzel posted:BSG is bad now? No, but the TVIV cycle never ends.
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Dec 27, 2019 03:50
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Firefly is a lazy Space Western. Rather than doing anything interesting with the setting, they just raid Fox's costume department and have everyone dress in cowboy outfits never bothering to explain why everyone dresses like the late 19th century outside of some "well some places aren't that well off". Yea why does that mean everyone wears cowboy boots and stetsons? Where there a lot of Olde Timey Photography studios in early colonization? Plus it talks about how the Government is a combination of the US and China and has characters using Chinese phrases and words, but the only Asian people you see are literally outdated stereotypes of Manchu Chinese with long braids doing laundry. The Tams are supposed to be part Chinese but are the whitest people you can find. It's invented language is pretty lazy too, The 'verse, the black? God drat took you like 2 seconds to think of that slang didn't it Whereon? Did you do it while assaulting your actresses? I won't deny its fun on its surface but if you think about anything about it, the problems are extremely glaring. Serenity is much better about it, I admit its probably a budget thing but something I love about the Expanse is that the clothing the Belters were is mostly work clothes, boiler suits, heavy workboots and such. That is what space colony poors would be wearing. Regression of technology would not mean literally going back in time and dressing like people did centuries before. There is a reason people in different eras dress they way they do, you can look at the history of clothing and see a direct line from the Classical World to Todays clothing.
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Dec 27, 2019 04:28
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everyone dresses in cowboy outfits because they are cowboys in the space west if you think about it more than this you are overthinking it the real question that comes with stuff like the protomolecule tech though is the cost that it comes with. i dont mean eros or dead belters, but the builders basically nuked, like, 1400 potentially life bearing worlds, their poo poo is arguably evil for its ability to 3d print super tech by eating anything and everything useful to their ends. in an alternate timeline the builders horizon zero dawn'd themselves. never mind that whatever killed them however long ago left behind a just glowing ball of space anathema that kills anything of the builders you put into it, are probably still out there, and are probably aware we used their anathema eyeball thing
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Dec 27, 2019 04:40
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Open Source Idiom posted:Firefly's a good, solid show. It's funny, and the characters are strong, vibrant figures with likeable personalities, set in a universe that was relatively unique at the time of airing. Everyone speaks bungled chinese and yet there are no asian characters in the show. gently caress Whedon.
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Everyone wishing for more Firefly just needs to read the plans Whedon had for season 2, which included such spicy plots as having Inara Serra (the professional prostitute character) getting her ship taken over by Reavers and her taking some kind of drug that poisoned anyone that had sex with her, and the episode ending with the crew boarding her ship and finding piles of dead Reavers everywhere. And then read how awesome Whedon thought that plot was because (like most TV sci-fi writers of the time) he was a creepy little sex pest that liked putting his female actresses in compromising positions for his own gratification.
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Dec 27, 2019 10:41
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Firefly was good because it was fourteen episodes and a movie - it didn't get a chance to become lovely, like it inevitably would have. The Expanse obviously copied an idea or two - Amos is a Jayne expy, for example - but they did it so much better.
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Dec 27, 2019 11:11
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I dunno, I watched 2 episodes of firefly (because is so praised here in SA) and I though it was total garbage BSG is both good and bad
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Dec 27, 2019 12:28
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BSG is near flawless until the end of the Cain arc... ...then, not so much.
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Dec 27, 2019 13:50
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Elias_Maluco posted:I dunno, I watched 2 episodes of firefly (because is so praised here in SA) and I though it was total garbage Yeah I feel like if I watch it now I'll be like "this is pretty drat mediocre" Nostalgia is a helluva drug
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Dec 27, 2019 14:14
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BSG gave us some of the best cliffhanger moments in Sci-fi history. I will submit that Pegasus vs Galactica in Resurrection Ship Pt 1, and the Colonial Surrender on New Caprica were as good, or better than the cliffhanger for Best of Both Worlds part 1.
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Dec 27, 2019 14:35
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BSG has the GoT problem where it was good, then it wasn't, then it was so terrible that you end up regretting ever getting invested in the first place.
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Dec 27, 2019 14:58
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Norton the First posted:BSG has the GoT problem where it was good, then it wasn't, then it was so terrible that you end up regretting ever getting invested in the first place. GoT got a lot more terrible, though
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Dec 27, 2019 15:14
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BSG ended after the colonials were conquered on New Caprica. Everything after that was Roslin's dying fever dreams. Especially Lee crashing Pegasus into a basestar because the show is titled Battlestar Galactica and we can under no circumstances change the titlecard to Battlestar Pegasus no matter how much sense it makes.
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Dec 27, 2019 15:14
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Elias_Maluco posted:GoT got a lot more terrible, though I don't think you remember pretty much everything that came after "All Along the Watchtower" started playing. (Hey, remember that? A song with apparently no author that just echoes down through the epochs?)
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Dec 27, 2019 15:17
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Norton the First posted:I don't think you remember pretty much everything that came after "All Along the Watchtower" started playing. Yeah the plot just stops making sense at some point. But still never as bad as the worst parts of got, like dorme Elias_Maluco fucked around with this message at 16:31 on Dec 27, 2019 |
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Dec 27, 2019 15:19
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Is this even a debate? GoT was wayyyyy worse than BSG. Nothing I've ever watched compares to the way GoT fell apart in its last season, the sheer lack of effort in every bit of writing and plotting. The quality of seasons 5-6 of GoT was similar to the decline of BSG, but no other show has ever fallen off as badly as the last season of GoT. Even the magical disappearing Starbuck doesn't quite get there.
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How about the fuckin' robot montage?
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