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SuperMechagodzilla posted:The same is true of the Ewok films, which have likewise survived because they're really well-made.
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Pollyanna posted:Yo, has Disney said anything about public reception to the movie? It seems mixed at best. I get that it's got like an 86% audience score on RT, but Metacritic and IMDB are way lower, and it really does seem like there's a 50/50 on whether people like it or not. Plus, people seem to be leaning towards not liking it on rewatches. It got a B+ on cinemascore, which is kinda like an exit poll. It is the worst in the entire franchise.
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Dec 27, 2019 12:28
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Doesn't rotten tomatos filter out really bad reviews?
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Dec 27, 2019 12:38
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filters out .5 and 1 star reviews, i think
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Horizon Burning posted:filters out .5 and 1 star reviews, i think Wait wait wait wait. What?
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Also wondering if people are honestly expecting Disney to come out with a press release and be like “we just want to formally apologize to a fraction of people on the internet for anecdotally Luke warm reactions to our latest blockbuster.” Or if you expect them to change all the advertisements to “SOME CRITICS ARE SAYING “sheev lol”, SEE STAR WARS NOW!”
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Dec 27, 2019 13:13
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They'll just pivot into the Mandalorian, as people actually seem to like that and it's blowing up for them. Why would they focus on the failure?
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The thing about the reaction to this film versus episodes 8 and 9 is that, far more this time around, it seems like both the people who liked the film and didn't like the film, generally agree on what the major problems with the film are and just disagree about how "bad" that makes the movie. Like, I can fully accept a lot of the criticisms, but they didn't bother me to the point I didn't enjoy the movie. The only people who are outright crazy are the folks crying that Rey was somehow ruined by being a Palpatine.
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Movies these days are trying too hard to be TV shows. They are cramming in plot left and right and not taking the time to develop it. And at that point it should just be a TV show. The Manadalorian is good because its not rushing around, and focuses on a tight story each episode I've seen so far. Its also not explaining everything constantly. Sci-fi/fantasy aren't alone in this, TV/series shows are so much better these days. And they've shown audiences don't need high budget spectacle if you have a tight aesthetic and a good story. The only good movies I've seen lately were very focused plot-wise, like Parasite, and were great stand-alone encapsulated stories.
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It's not just that, but ROS also being the final entry in a trilogy of trilogies only makes it harder. They should have had clear scripts for each movie solidified before they even began considering filming, and then lined up a single director for them all. The whole thing has been a mess that's clearly a result of Disney wanting to rush out as many movies as possible the moment that they got the license. Would have been interesting if Hamill/Ford/Fisher declined the films and Disney had to actually stop and think.
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Dec 27, 2019 14:15
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Gorelab posted:Doesn't rotten tomatos filter out really bad reviews? Check this out: audience score has been frozen at 86% since the movie came out, basically. Some redditor did a post on it. It’s STILL 86%. Hasn’t moved at all, which I find highly suspicious
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PT6A posted:The thing about the reaction to this film versus episodes 8 and 9 is that, far more this time around, it seems like both the people who liked the film and didn't like the film, generally agree on what the major problems with the film are and just disagree about how "bad" that makes the movie. Like, I can fully accept a lot of the criticisms, but they didn't bother me to the point I didn't enjoy the movie. It was more interesting that she was a nobody. It was one of the good bits from Last Jedi. I could sorta understand people liking Last Jedi even if I thought it was bad but I legitimately can't grasp people enjoying this one. It's turbo dumb from the opening scenes.
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SUNKOS posted:It's not just that, but ROS also being the final entry in a trilogy of trilogies only makes it harder. They should have had clear scripts for each movie solidified before they even began considering filming, and then lined up a single director for them all. The whole thing has been a mess that's clearly a result of Disney wanting to rush out as many movies as possible the moment that they got the license. Would have been interesting if Hamill/Ford/Fisher declined the films and Disney had to actually stop and think. Reminds me of Endgame having such a 'thrown together hastily five minutes after Infinity War came out' feel. For all their big plans and yearly releases, they don't actually prepare to any reasonable standard.
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nemesis_hub posted:People wouldn’t shut up for years about ”I hate sand”, which as Zoran just showed is in fact a good scene. But this stuff somehow passes by without comment. Oh thank gently caress someone finally brought this up. I recall the dialogue in both TFA and TROS being not very good at all. TLJ was a hell of a lot better in this regard, lots more memorable quotes and cool exchanges. Take that stupid thing off, Everything you just said was wrong, The Force does not belong to the Jedi, Maybe, They were nobody, THE SACRED JEDI TEXTS, Page-turners they were not, Blast that piece of junk OUT OF THE SKY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!, I will not be the last Jedi, etc. TFA and TROS, comparatively, have nothing quotable. It's amazing.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Reminds me of Endgame having such a 'thrown together hastily five minutes after Infinity War came out' feel. For all their big plans and yearly releases, they don't actually prepare to any reasonable standard. I thought I was the only one considering how crazy people went for Avengers but yeah, I thought Endgame was complete and utter poo poo (even more so than ROS) and it being the highest-grossing movie of all time or whatever is amazing considering how bad it is. I'm not being hyperbolic when I say it's literally one of the worst films I've ever seen. I don't have anything against Marvel superhero movies (Thor: Raganarok was fun) but I can't fathom how Endgame got the reception that it did.
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Pollyanna posted:TFA and TROS, comparatively, have nothing quotable. It's amazing. Excuse you! they fly now they fly now they fly now
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Pollyanna posted:
There's a couple of lines in TFA that I like. "It's true, all of it" and also "That's not how the force works", both from Han.
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Dec 27, 2019 14:56
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The Dave posted:Also wondering if people are honestly expecting Disney to come out with a press release and be like “we just want to formally apologize to a fraction of people on the internet for anecdotally Luke warm reactions to our latest blockbuster.” The big sign would be Kathleen Kennedy moving on from the franchise since they just extended her contract for three years last year, but it would still be pretty easy to save face with it by saying it was just the right time with the conclusion of the trilogy. She's an insanely successful producer, so it's not like she'd be fired altogether, just moved to other poo poo. The other thing that may be telling is seeing how hard they course correct when the start announcing new movies, but we'll probably have to wait a bit for that.
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Pollyanna posted:Oh thank gently caress someone finally brought this up. I recall the dialogue in both TFA and TROS being not very good at all. TLJ was a hell of a lot better in this regard, lots more memorable quotes and cool exchanges. Take that stupid thing off, Everything you just said was wrong, The Force does not belong to the Jedi, Maybe, They were nobody, THE SACRED JEDI TEXTS, Page-turners they were not, Blast that piece of junk OUT OF THE SKY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!, I will not be the last Jedi, etc. Rian Johnson is legitimately good at dialogue. I've been strongly recommending Knives Out to everyone for a month now.
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PT6A posted:The thing about the reaction to this film versus episodes 8 and 9 is that, far more this time around, it seems like both the people who liked the film and didn't like the film, generally agree on what the major problems with the film are and just disagree about how "bad" that makes the movie. Like, I can fully accept a lot of the criticisms, but they didn't bother me to the point I didn't enjoy the movie. I kind of wish The Mandalorian had come before the movies so that Rey's origin was "She was bitten by a radioactive Yoda baby. That's why she has awesome Force powers." That way she could legitimately be a nobody rising on her own instead of the product of special Star Wars eugenics. Or the answer to the origins of Rey and Snoke was "It turns out they were already dead from the spaceship crash this whole time."
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I wonder what would happen if they made film versions of the KOTOR games. They, especially KOTOR 2, have the potential to be either amazing movies or absolute trashfires, but nothing in between.
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Wild Horses posted:Check this out: audience score has been frozen at 86% since the movie came out, basically. I would double-check this, but RT no longer offers a public API. You have to submit a proposal and request in writing if you want to make use of their API. Not suspicious at all!
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Mymla posted:I wonder what would happen if they made film versions of the KOTOR games. They, especially KOTOR 2, have the potential to be either amazing movies or absolute trashfires, but nothing in between. They'd need to change so much to adapt it that they'd probably better off doing a loose reimagining with some of the same characters. I think it'd work better as a miniseries.
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Mymla posted:I wonder what would happen if they made film versions of the KOTOR games. They, especially KOTOR 2, have the potential to be either amazing movies or absolute trashfires, but nothing in between. Depends if they'd have to pay royalties to someone else I guess. The perspective of a successful live-action KOTOR opening the way to a wave of RPG adaptations would be amusing at least.
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Mulva posted:Nah the prequels suck poo poo, namaste.
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hell, you could probably just adapt KOTOR to act as the backbone for the sequel trilogy
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Knowing what I do of KOTOR, we're better off if Disney doesn't touch it.
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KOTOR 1 probably doesn't translate to cinema that easy (it's another 'secretly bad lineage' story except predicated on the player discovering it) and KOTOR 2 is ten times more subversive than TLJ was. I do not trust disney with either lol.
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The newest episode of Mandalorian begins with two Stormtroopers killing time. They sit around and chit chat for 90 seconds of screen time, and I swear to god by the end of those 90 seconds they're more humanized than any character in the sequel trilogy
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dex_sda posted:KOTOR 1 probably doesn't translate to cinema that easy (it's another 'secretly bad lineage' story except predicated on the player discovering it) and KOTOR 2 is ten times more subversive than TLJ was. I do not trust disney with either lol. Can you remind me of the plots again, all I remember is the PC is a brainwashed sith Lord
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Star Wars should just stick to video games. The prequel and sequel trilogy's are essentially just video game cutscenes.
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Cheesus posted:How surprising, a legitimate effort post followed by a no effort post. I put in real effort to save that poster from the Sisyphean task of trying to rehabilitate the prequels. It's just that it seemed like brevity would be an easier way to do so. They beat the sequels out in having a clear vision of the story they want to tell, which the sequels never did, but it doesn't change the myriad of flaws in nearly every single moment. e: mastershakeman posted:Can you remind me of the plots again, all I remember is the PC is a brainwashed sith Lord The first is about a Jedi that goes to fight a Sith Emperor and gets turned to the Dark Side, so the Jedi wipe his mind to try and redeem him. The second is about a Jedi who committed some minor war crimes that caused a wound in the Force, and closed themselves off from it in self-defense. Both are solid enough starting places for a movie. Mulva fucked around with this message at 17:37 on Dec 27, 2019 |
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^ i would say the war crimes were not minor at all, closer to a hiroshima/nagasaki event that ruined scores of jedi mentally because how hugely damaging it was. The entire vidya game is about the MC coping with this and being manipulated by his/her Nietzschean mentor figure
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i wonder how anal people would get about spoilers regarding the first game considering it came out in 2003 and its main twist is well-known within the fandom.
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Pollyanna posted:Oh thank gently caress someone finally brought this up. I recall the dialogue in both TFA and TROS being not very good at all. TLJ was a hell of a lot better in this regard, lots more memorable quotes and cool exchanges. Take that stupid thing off, Everything you just said was wrong, The Force does not belong to the Jedi, Maybe, They were nobody, THE SACRED JEDI TEXTS, Page-turners they were not, Blast that piece of junk OUT OF THE SKY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!, I will not be the last Jedi, etc. "The dead speak!"
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People have been repeating “I am all the Jedi” for pages.
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Wild Horses posted:^ i would say the war crimes were not minor at all, closer to a hiroshima/nagasaki event that ruined scores of jedi mentally because how hugely damaging it was. The entire vidya game is about the MC coping with this and being manipulated by his/her Nietzschean mentor figure Man it wasn't even that big a wound in the Force, people getting worked up about nothing.
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The biggest question I have from the whole trilogy is: what's up with Adam Driver's face?
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The Little Death posted:The biggest question I have from the whole trilogy is: what's up with Adam Driver's face? He's still the most normal-looking Dark Side user outside of Christopher Lee.
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YaketySass posted:He's still the most normal-looking Dark Side user outside of Christopher Lee. Samuel Jackson is “normal” looking. As is Hayden.
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