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YaketySass posted:You're supposed to communicate these things if that's the intention. Oh now we are supposed to pay attention to the ideas communicated by the movie I’ll readjust
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clearly force flying is just like futurama flying where you're actually just moving the entire universe and your ship stays still
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Dec 29, 2019 02:06
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Blood Boils posted:Have you watched Empire as an adult? Chemistry lol
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Dec 29, 2019 02:06
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There is actually no difference between her moving and the ship moving
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Dec 29, 2019 02:07
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well i mean pulling the ship to her would drag the ship into the range of the first order's guns but hey you do you
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Dec 29, 2019 02:08
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euphronius posted:Oh now we are supposed to pay attention to the ideas communicated by the movie Paying attention to the ideas communicated by the movie is a bad idea because then you realize the movie sucks. (But you're totally right about that scene looking the same if she pulls the ship though)
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Dec 29, 2019 02:15
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Obviously you don't shoot the scene the exact same way if she pulls it. You have different shots establishing the ship has the force being used on it and the crew reacting to that (you'd probably make it a shuttle or something more realistic for her to pull) and you shoot it so it's clear that Leia isnt gliding forward like she's on rails. Ideally you just scrap it altogether but her using the force to fly is very stupid.
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Dec 29, 2019 02:23
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They could definitely have incapacitated her without directly exposing an old lady to the vacuum of space.
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Dec 29, 2019 02:24
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I *hand wave* it by thinking there was a remnant atmosphere from the bridge that helped her *hand wave* Of course CHRIS PRATT survives worse in guardians of the galaxy and he’s no Jedi
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Dec 29, 2019 02:26
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Just Chamber posted:Force pull is an actual establish power instead of loving flying. Telekinesis, super jumping and actual force ghosts weren't established until Empire, Lightning wasn't established until RotJedi, etc etc.
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Dec 29, 2019 02:36
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If Luke can jump super high with the force and Quigon Jinn can run comically fast, then I don't see what's so upsetting to the mind about Leia pulling herself with the force in a zero gravity environment where you'd imagine pulling oneself would be much easier
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Dec 29, 2019 02:39
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The difference between pulling and getting pulled in space is semantic. That's why astronauts stay tethered to their vehicles 99.99999% of the time.
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Dec 29, 2019 02:41
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General Dog posted:I have to admit, I saw this again with my parents today and enjoyed it a bit more than the first time. I guess since I knew the full arc of the plot and was prepared for everything dumb, I was able to enjoy the nice shots and decent character moments more. and like every time he moved it he had a new knife made?
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Dec 29, 2019 02:43
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Onmi posted:You know, Bendis, the Comic Writer. Reads like Beckett
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Dec 29, 2019 02:44
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Why have a dagger pointing to the throne room?! Why not have the dead guy have a note saying "the way finder is in the throne room" and they have to go get the death Star plans from someone to figure out where the throne room was instead of a dagger with spooky inscription on it??????
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Dec 29, 2019 02:45
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It would be so easy to cut so much from this movie. Like I actually enjoyed the C3PO memory wipe jokes (R2D2 saying they're best friends gave me nice tummyfeels) but you could just loving ditch it and there's like 10 minutes freed up where everyone doesn't have to be running around and panicking!
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Dec 29, 2019 02:48
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2house2fly posted:Why have a dagger pointing to the throne room?! Why not have the dead guy have a note saying "the way finder is in the throne room" and they have to go get the death Star plans from someone to figure out where the throne room was instead of a dagger with spooky inscription on it?????? or all she really needs to do is get in the general vicinity and the AMBIENT EVIL LINGERING THERE draws her to the throne room because palp wants her to find it (I think???) but a spooky sith dagger adds mystique and adventure edit: also thinking about it for five seconds ruins the mystique and reveals that dagger was like 30 years old, tops, and just raises a lost of logistical questions but ADVENTURE Lunatic Sledge fucked around with this message at 02:51 on Dec 29, 2019 |
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Dec 29, 2019 02:49
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I just think Leia flying looks hokie and fake, even among the other cgi fakeness, and for her to immediately fall into a coma afterwards makes it even stranger, like she did it as an autonomous response. When it comes to the force I always figured that the potential was limitless, and we only saw commonly trained techniques. It's manipulating the universal lifeforce, I don't see why that would need to manifest as x set of powers like its and RPG.
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rey: no I still need the dagger why rey: I don't know but it's important the force told me later: the dagger is important me, full of popcorn and piss: HOHSHIT now THAT'S some fine writing also leia should have telekinetically exploded a bunch of space debris and launched herself back into the ship like a missile, it would better explain her immediately passing out afterward
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Dec 29, 2019 02:56
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euphronius posted:I *hand wave* it by thinking there was a remnant atmosphere from the bridge that helped her Peter Quill survived vacuum because he was half-god at that point
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Dec 29, 2019 03:03
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Her passing out after having hung out in a vacuum is the least of my problems with Leia Poppins. And for force pulling the ship, of course the lesser mass will move first, its Physics!  I was more annoyed by the fact she was so clearly filmed STANDING FUCKIGN UP The other day I watched ANH while really high and realized that all of the criticisms of the current film equally qualify for it too. Its Star Wars, its never been writing for a Man Booker Award
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Dec 29, 2019 03:05
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2house2fly posted:Why have a dagger pointing to the throne room?! Why not have the dead guy have a note saying "the way finder is in the throne room" and they have to go get the death Star plans from someone to figure out where the throne room was instead of a dagger with spooky inscription on it?????? Why not just write the whole movie on post-its and leave them around the theater for the audience to find? Why make a movie?
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Dec 29, 2019 03:05
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Trumpishly: But I'll still watch this garbage
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Bilirubin posted:Her passing out after having hung out in a vacuum is the least of my problems with Leia Poppins. And for force pulling the ship, of course the lesser mass will move first, its Physics! My response to every critic has just been surprise that they were expecting a sequel trilogy to the first two Godfathers or some poo poo. I don't think people who really hate these movies like Star Wars at all. Which I understand a lot more than hating the most Star Wars movie I can imagine.
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Dec 29, 2019 03:08
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tadashi posted:My response to every critic has just been surprise that they were expecting a sequel trilogy to the first two Godfathers or some poo poo. I don't think people who really hate these movies like Star Wars at all. Which I understand a lot more than hating the most Star Wars movie I can imagine. I think part of the issue is that while nostalgia can put the hooks in and make people feel a connection to a franchise for life, it also creates unrealistic expectations, because nothing (at least nothing you'll get from a popcorn movie) will ever be as good as your perception of something you loved as a child. I think another thing is that even if people disliked the prequels, they cemented the idea in people's heads that the Skywalkers, and Anakin in particular, were extremely important, so for their/his biggest accomplishment to be retconned away so a new character unrelated to him could do a better job of it while his descendants all died as supporting characters was bound to make people unhappy. The existence of retconned EU stories that made Luke a galaxy striding hero for decades probably also contributed to superfan bitterness when that was far from what they got. I really think a lot of the fan anger that people thought was because Rey was a woman was really because she wasn't Luke's daughter (which isn't to say the first doesn't exist too). Dr Kool-AIDS fucked around with this message at 03:30 on Dec 29, 2019 |
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Dec 29, 2019 03:27
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YaketySass posted:TCW is painfully stingy about giving the antagonists some wins, in the true tradition of adventure cartoons where the villains are incredibly stubborn perma-losers. late to this, but: what do you mean? the jedi win, like, every time
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Dec 29, 2019 03:27
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I think the new movies and A New Hope are absolutely held to different standards I also think that's completely fair I'm shooting from the hip here but I think A New Hope was the best movie it could have been. By that, I mean I don't think George Lucas was personally capable of better writing. I don't think he could have pulled off better special effects. I don't think he could have done better directing. I don't think he could have brought in a writer or producer or whoever that could have improved the film. I think for the time and place it was made, the resources it had, and the people on hand, the film had meager potential and completely met it or exceeded it. It was a better film than it had a right to be, for what it was; it was better in practice in than it was in theory. It's a flawed film, no doubt, but I think in a sense that was the best it realistically could have been. The new films swing the other way around. A ridiculous budget. The foreknowledge that they were absolutely going to make a trilogy, and a poo poo ton of spin-offs. A media conglomerate monopoly monster at the helm that can afford any director, any writer, any special effects. Anything. Sky's the loving limit, infinite potential, and what we got was... arguably on par, maybe a little better, maybe a little worse, than what Lucas and company shat out in a basement in the 70s. Like, there's complaints about how bad Leia looked in this movie (or even in Last Jedi, floating in space), and I can't deflect that with "well you know it's better than the special effects in A New Hope." That's not the bar to clear. No poo poo the special effects are better now, they should be. There's no reason the writing shouldn't be better, too. And the pacing, and the overall plotting, and everything else. It's like comparing a heavyweight boxer and a lightweight amateur--you're right, the heavyweight boxer will probably come out ahead. That there's even a question, even a debate about whether the writing is better or worse when Disney could have shoveled money at the best writers ever should say a lot about Rise of Skywalker. Lucas pulled the OG trilogy out of his rear end, and it shows (see: Leia kissing Luke). Disney did not have to loving do that, there's absolutely zero reason for them to have done that but they did and it's going to color how I compare the movies. I'm not a film critic or anything, that's just the thought that popped into my head while I was out back having a smoke
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tadashi posted:Why not just write the whole movie on post-its and leave them around the theater for the audience to find? Why make a movie? As for the original Star Wars, it's coherent and the characters are likeable and a lot of the writing has a ton of personality. Like you can just see any random line devoid of context and know who said it and nod your head and think "hell yeah that line is cool". Maybe that's just due to acting but it's still more than I can say for most of the lines in TLJ and ROS
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Bleck posted:late to this, but: what do you mean? the jedi win, like, every time they mean the red team
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Dec 29, 2019 03:35
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it just clicked, I'm subconsciously not comparing New Star Wars to Old Star Wars, I think my brain is comparing New Star Wars to the Marvel movies
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Dec 29, 2019 03:37
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Everyone posted:Peter Quill survived vacuum because he was half-god at that point What are Jedi
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Dec 29, 2019 03:37
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the dagger pointing to the exact spot on the wreckage isn't actually that bad, because that is how the force works, except the dagger doesn't look or feel enough like something that should be able to do that. it's a failure of imagination on jj abram's part not to make it more obviously mystical.
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Dec 29, 2019 03:46
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Or they just made the dagger thirty years ago.
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ungulateman posted:the dagger pointing to the exact spot on the wreckage isn't actually that bad, because that is how the force works, except the dagger doesn't look or feel enough like something that should be able to do that. it's a failure of imagination on jj abram's part not to make it more obviously mystical. Maybe the dagger is magic and the engravings shift or change to ensure that they match up with the outline of wherever the thing is supposed to be.
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Dec 29, 2019 03:54
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is euphronius really arguing that jedi should be able to survive in space because some dude from a marvel film did it lmfao
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Dec 29, 2019 03:58
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I think just a normal human can survive in space for 30 seconds or so. It’s not insta-death to the level that it’s normally portrayed in movies. You can argue that the scene looks silly, but by the standards of Star Wars and force users, it doesn’t strike me as particularly implausible.
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Dec 29, 2019 04:01
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baby yoda just healed a dudes dead arm. in 4 seconds. why can’t Leia float for a bit.
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Dec 29, 2019 04:04
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Next movies should go full Shin Megami Tensei with the Galaxy caught between Law and Chaos.
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A normal human would make it like 15-20 seconds before passing out, but then normal humans haven't been traveling in space for a thousand generations and nor do they have literal magic powers. Put it like this, Leia surviving a couple of minutes in space is much more plausible than the Millennium Falcon flying from Hoth to Bespin at sublight speed
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