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mandatory lesbian posted:Whoever you're hanging out with are a bunch of weirdos cause I'm millennial and me and my friends and hell even my enemies do not use marketing speak for romance  Going to ask for more grisly details because this sounds like your friends are actually a sub-mediocre improv sketch
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nikosoft posted:I liked Star Wars in high school and I read all the books, but I was also very aware this was not a cool thing to do because it was the 1990s and the worst thing was to be a nerd, so I never told anyone. Now it's apparently cool to like Star Wars and everyone is just watching the movies and talking about them all the time and not getting ridiculed for any of this?? What the frack! It's probably because millennial parents / Gen-X parents starting buying all the Star Wars stuff for their kids. Also Disney buying the whole IP means they have to do even more marketing to make sure they got all their money back and having a new wave of movies released helps with the hype.
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George W took up painting and Obama now binges lovely tv and movies. We Americans have the cutest widdle retired mass murderer admins.
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Big Mad Drongo posted:
The only thing that actually happened with my friends was the religion thing, which was legit distressing to hear, everything else is from overheard conversations (though I feel like I see this poo poo on television too in reality shows). Of course I live in a hugely STEM area with a bunch of yuppies so it could be more a regional issue than anything. But even stuff like calling your loved ones "partners" in stuff like that... I get that's supposed to be getting away from the gender norms of boyfriend and girlfriend, but it also feels very... bureaucratic. Maybe I'm over-analyzing things.
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Dr. Killjoy posted:once upon a time in Hollywood
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being unemployed for the entirety of december has worked out okay-ish, because my daughter had her school winter break (which i would have had to take PTO for anyway) and so since the 20th we've been kicking it together. one thing that we stumbled into completely by accident is the bevvy of tween musicals on Disney+ i was vaguely aware high school musical existed and that hannah montana and the jonas brothers were spawned from disney stuff, but i guess the most recent entries into their tween musical genre is a series called Descendants. basically belle marries the beast and then they team up with every other good princess in all of the disney franchises, and this army of heroes collectively defeat all of their villains once and for all and then they banish the villains to an island prison. then some time later, all the heroes and all the villains have kids with each other and the kids have to go to high school together and musical theater ensues the first movie is the least sophisticated but most consistent in its application of the the characters and their personalities and the overall narrative the second movie has much better songs but is narratively inconsistent and the end is an embarrassingly bad cgi fight between a giant squid-woman and a dragon the third movie was a letdown - it had the usual third-movie-in-a-trilogy problem where the cast has ballooned to include so many characters that it's impossible for any of them to get enough screen time to have anything interesting happen with them. plus, new characters get added to the bloat, so everyone basically becomes a caricature of whatever their personality was from the first two films. it was also made in 2019 (compared to the original descendants being made in 2015) and i can't help but feel like the omnipresent success of the marvel movie franchise had a huge impact on what this movie became. there's still musical numbers, but all of the characters have oddly unique super hero-ish costumes and the power level for everything gets ratcheted way up so you have people turning into dragons and laser fighting satan within the first 15 minutes of the movie (it only gets more outlandish from there). the songs also seemed to be overproduced to hell, which is a shame because at least the two main actresses can actually sing well (as proven in the prior two films) so hearing all of their vocals come out auto-tuned is jarring. for me, the biggest disappointment across all 3 films was how the prince charming character was handled. in the first movie he's funny and sarcastic and calls the main girl out on her bullshit and the entire story basically starts because he wants to break down the barriers separating the wealthy from the poor (vis a vis allowing kids from the island of villains to come live in fairytale land). he gets his own song & dance number and his character gets depth and development. in the second film, he spends almost the entire movie either captured or brainwashed, gets no song, and the one interesting plot thread they give him (falling in love with a different woman because she also highly values socialism over entrenched monarchism) is immediately hand-waived away so that the main girl can preserve the status quo. in the third film, he becomes a lawful-stupid type king that "wants to do the right thing" despite taking no actions that would at all accomplish his stated goal. he gets morphed into a monster and drops out of a decent portion of the movie again. basically he matters in the first five minutes so that he can propose to main girl and bestow upon her the title "Queen" and then he might as well cease existing overall, i would rank the disney descendants films thusly: descendants 1 - best overall film to watch. the main cast is only 4 characters so they all get arcs and the narrative is consistent and well-paced. it's got strong overtones of mean girls, if mean girls was a musical descendants 2 - by far the best musical numbers. the song writers and choreographers clearly hit their stride here, almost all the songs are bops and/or slap descendants 3 - best production values / cgi effects, but that's faint praise for what's supposed to be musical theater. the movie does touch on some potentially interesting topics (class solidarity, the corrupting nature of wealth, rich nations bullying poor nations) but it's a disney family film so none of those topics go anywhere. BONUS weird detail across all 3 films: disney's attempts at inclusion means there's a girl in a wheelchair in almost every dance number, but her character has no name, no lines, and is never referenced by any of the characters. but inexplicably this same girl is in the shot for all of the songs anyone else find themselves watching these movies or am i alone on unemployment island here
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Wheeee posted:baby yoda became an internet sensation for the same reason that puppies and cats do, it speaks to the yawning void inside millennials wherein they know they'll never have a family of their own
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motherbox posted:At this point it’s kind of a wonderful universal experience though. We’ve gone so far down the nostalgia culture rabbit hole that the bad reboots and remakes far outnumber the good, so assuming there was SOME media product that you sincerely enjoyed as a kid, one of the It also exposes and completely shatters the cultural American lie that money and capitalism inspires creativity, rather than necessity
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I finished the fourth season of the expanse and I'm really baffled by what happens at the end to ashford. like did they only write a first draft for that sequence.
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Stairmaster posted:I finished the fourth season of the expanse and I'm really baffled by what happens at the end to ashford. He's just taking a nap.
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Stairmaster posted:I finished the fourth season of the expanse and I'm really baffled by what happens at the end to ashford. I'm sure the guy who got dumped out an airlock without a suit is fine
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I meant from a doylist perspective. It's just so loving abrupt and unearned. Sort of like rise of the skywalkers.
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so i finally finished breaking bad and was surprised to find that my impression of the show didnt really change throughout all five seasons the only reason i think this is strange is because ive been revisiting old discussion now that i have some idea what people were talking about and everyone acts like the show had really distinct phases and build ups from what i can tell first episode to the last one the basic conceit is always the same walter white comes up with a goofy convoluted plan thats smart in some superficial sciency way that almost always creates at least as many problems as it solves everything ive read about him representing choices that turn people evil or being a grand tragic figure just comes off as incredibly weird now because walter white is a chump who only finally kind of succeeds because he dies before finding out whatever other bizarre horrific problem hed managed to inadvertently create with his latest final solution one stranger aspect of the show as it went on is that the show really loses interest in what meth actually is and why its so popular and what it does to people destroying god knows how many lives by peddling drugs for money no one actually seems to need is by far the most evil thing anybody in the show does but later seasons build up walts having crossed the line into evil by coming up with increasingly convoluted and implausible ethical dilemmas that whole aspect really dates the show as pre 11/9 less because of trump and more because this first term obama tv drama has surprisingly little awareness of the notion of how making money for the sake of making money is inherently evil breaking bad goes out of its way to remove money from the equation by having walt say that hes not in it for drugs or money but so he can have an empire when thats all an empire is just a giant stack of talking money theres moments where you can almost turn the show into an anticapitalist critique but then walts grey matter buddies show up in the last episode and are fairly uncritically depicted as being good billionaires even though we dont have any idea what their company even does for all we know they created the opiate crisis which would be hella ironic except that the show is really unsubtle about which characters are functional normal people with basic empathy versus murderous drug fiends and the grey matter buddies are definitely in the former category in summary breaking bad was all right overrated for sure but only because the hype train was so outrageous there was no way the actual show could live up to it will definitely check out the postscript movie about jesse who i consider to be a much more interesting character than walt if only because he had multiple proper character arcs
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Freaking Crumbum posted:being unemployed for the entirety of december has worked out okay-ish, because my daughter had her school winter break (which i would have had to take PTO for anyway) and so since the 20th we've been kicking it together. one thing that we stumbled into completely by accident is the bevvy of tween musicals on Disney+
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That somehow sounds like even more of a fever dream than Cats Are you sure they didn't outsource the writing to overstimulated teenage fanfiction authors
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wife made an instant enemy at a new year's party by loudly saying people in their 30s shouldn't be obsessed with Harry Potter, how are these people real lol
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Jenny Agutter posted:wife made an instant enemy at a new year's party by loudly saying people in their 30s shouldn't be obsessed with Harry Potter, how are these people real lol she should welcome their hatred
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:imagine still being obsessed with Goosebumps imagine defending being "obsessed" with anything
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You are an obsession You're my obsession Who do you want me to be To make you sleep with me
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Jenny Agutter posted:wife made an instant enemy at a new year's party by loudly saying people in their 30s shouldn't be obsessed with Harry Potter, how are these people real lol I saw that same poo poo happen with Star Wars at a party like two years ago and It blew my mind
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a friend of a friend of mine literally stopped talking to said friend after he said on Twitter that Force Awakens was kind of a lovely movie. Like, not even “this was the worst goddamn thing I’ve ever seen”, just “this movie was a bit below average and pretty boring”. Dude flipped out on him like “you’re joking, right?”, friend responded “no, that’s just what I thought of it” and dude blocked him and cut off all communication, hasn’t said a word to him in four years now. Fandom breaks minds.
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I have been scolded on social media several times for saying TFA and RoS are poo poo. Not really severed but scolded.
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Apparently there's a big surge of Reylo shippers losing their minds because Kylo kicks the kucket, and they're issuing death threats to JJ Abrams.
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:imagine still being obsessed with Goosebumps Goosebumps was more formative on my childhood then Harry potter, tbh
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Rather than thinking about fandoms as a substitution for religion, it might be more insightful to think of it as an apolitical expression of ur-fascism. IMO the core element of fascism is the conflation of aesthetics with morality. What's beautiful is inherently good, and what's ugly is inherently bad. Everything that offends your own personal sensibilities is therefore an intolerable degeneracy that has to be excised from society to guarantee the national health. Fascism as an ideology is therefore the underlying reactionary sentiment of absolute aestheticism given a political program. Your instinctive revulsion at the alien degenerate element suddenly has a clear political vehicle to cleanse society and fit the ideal personal image. Fandoms exist as a social vehicle for fanatics to express their own personal preferences for art as the absolute ideal. This thing is the best because it's my personal favorite. Star Wars has to be just so, or it isn't Star Wars. Anything that doesn't meet their expectations, or which defies them, is therefore a betrayal. So long as the fans remain radically alienated it can only ever express itself as a directionless ur-fascism. The resentments and desire for violence can only have personal and not political expression. That's why disgruntled fans are an ideal recruiting pool for the far right. Instead of the problem being the profit motive overriding artistic integrity, it's the Jews who run Hollywood or SJW psycho-terrorists forcing their values on society. Likening this sort of thing to religion doesn't fit quite as well, because religion appeals to a desire for something greater than oneself. Some sort of cosmic validation for existence that clearly defines our own place within reality and the roles we have to fulfill in order to meet it. Fandom on the other hand is purely self-oriented. Your values have been determined internally before you even get involved in any kind of fan community, instead of it being the other way around with religion where you're inheriting values from a long standing tradition. I guess the longer something like Star Wars goes on the more like a religious tradition it becomes, but it's not quite there yet - and since the franchise has been weakened by a two decade long string of failure I doubt it'll ever become something that coherent.
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Apparently there's a big surge of Reylo shippers losing their minds because Kylo kicks the kucket, and they're issuing death threats to JJ Abrams. Thing is he dies like five minutes after they get together apparently It's like they actively tried to piss everyone off all at once
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Apparently there's a big surge of Reylo shippers losing their minds because Kylo kicks the kucket, and they're issuing death threats to JJ Abrams. That's funny
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Rather than thinking about fandoms as a substitution for religion, it might be more insightful to think of it as an apolitical expression of ur-fascism. IMO the core element of fascism is the conflation of aesthetics with morality. What's beautiful is inherently good, and what's ugly is inherently bad. Everything that offends your own personal sensibilities is therefore an intolerable degeneracy that has to be excised from society to guarantee the national health. Fascism as an ideology is therefore the underlying reactionary sentiment of absolute aestheticism given a political program. Your instinctive revulsion at the alien degenerate element suddenly has a clear political vehicle to cleanse society and fit the ideal personal image. Are they considered failures by the wider public, though? The prequels seem to have been rehabilitated by time, and even the non-nerdy people I know liked the new movies and The Mandalorian. I'll admit no one's spoken about the latest movie, so maybe that broke the spell.
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The idea that the prequels are rehabilitated seems to exist only in the minds of people who watch long rear end youtubes, similarly I think the "discourse" about the new movies is largely not representative of the actual popularity. Though I know a lot of people who either don't want to see the new films or outright hated them, and even that mild lack of consensus is enough to turn the algorithm ecosystem into constant star wars anxiety.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Apparently Finn's actor is being called racist because he didn't like the movie He's gained a lot of cool guy points in my book for not pretending like star wars is special
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A Gnarlacious Bro posted:The idea that the prequels are rehabilitated seems to exist only in the minds of people who watch long rear end youtubes, similarly I think the "discourse" about the new movies is largely not representative of the actual popularity. Though I know a lot of people who either don't want to see the new films or outright hated them, and even that mild lack of consensus is enough to turn the algorithm ecosystem into constant star wars anxiety. Fair enough! I haven't watched the prequels since they came out and of the new ones only saw Rogue One (which was eh), so my view is skewed by what I read in passing (i'm certainly not watching multi-hour YouTubes on anything, let alone about how Jar-Jar was actually a dig against racism or whatever).
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Freaking Crumbum posted:being unemployed for the entirety of december has worked out okay-ish, because my daughter had her school winter break (which i would have had to take PTO for anyway) and so since the 20th we've been kicking it together. one thing that we stumbled into completely by accident is the bevvy of tween musicals on Disney+ didn't watch the third, the first one is good for drunken hatewatching mainly thanks to Kristin Chenoweth and Kathy Najimy hamming it up, and for at least seeming to recognize on some level how ridiculous the conceit of all these disparate Disney villains existing in the same world in the present day is. the second plays the premise straighter and focuses almost exclusively on the teens, and consequently is absolutely painful to watch and I would not recommend it under any circumstances to anyone outside the target demographic
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