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Judgement posted:Admittedly, I only saw the movie the one time, so I might be completely misremembering, but wasn't it shown at the very end that several of them already had made it to other locations? Like there were cuts to the SSDs exploding over other planets just to really hammer in the "No really this time it's ALL OVER when the emperor dies"? So were those other ships just kind of..hanging out there and not destroying their assigned planet? Because with the entire Lando fleet at Exegol there wouldn't really have been anything stopping them. Trying to remember any details hurts. I think it was that the resistance pilots had killed the Destroyers by shooting the big Death Star cannons on their underside, and then once they leave the battle they get the word out to the rest of the galaxy that they have to target the cannons? Am I way off on that? I remember Lando or Poe saying a line that indicated that towards the end, similar to the ending of Independence day where they're like "we know how to takeem down, get the word out...." Or not, the whole thing really is a blur.
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Basebf555 posted:I think it was that the resistance pilots had killed the Destroyers by shooting the big Death Star cannons on their underside, and then once they leave the battle they get the word out to the rest of the galaxy that they have to target the cannons? Am I way off on that? I remember Lando or Poe saying a line that indicated that towards the end, similar to the ending of Independence day where they're like "we know how to takeem down, get the word out...." You're thinking of Independence Day
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I believe those were First Order star destroyers. Remember that the First Order had enough ships to control the entire galaxy, even though all we see is one shipful of admirals bouncing around. I really hated the hyperskip thing. "Flying through hyperspace ain't like dusting crops back home, boy. It's EASIER WHEEEEEEEEEE"
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I guess a strategy of shooting the giant hanging dongs on the undersides of the destroyers wouldn't be too much different from the previously established method of easily destroying capital ships by flying up really close and blasting the tiny little command bridge a few times. As a Huge Old Nerd, back when TFA first came out I can remember getting into a petty nerd huff over how that film seemed to play so fast and loose with travel time and the mechanics of hyperspace. All my Star Wars RPG material, now completely contradicted! So then in this one they introduce light speed skipping, as a direct and personal attack to me, specifically. VoidTek fucked around with this message at 21:33 on Jan 3, 2020 |
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pospysyl posted:I figured those were regular star destroyers just patrolling because "the First Order reigns." No idea why they blew up at the end, though. The rebels said something about "people are rising up all over the galaxy" iirc
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kidkissinger posted:You're thinking of Independence Day The First Order are the aliens and the Resistance are Will Smith and Jeff Goldblum, but instead of infecting the aliens their virus is hope and it infects the galaxy
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The people always had the ability to destroy the fascist super power that was blowing up their planets, but it took Lando Calrissian's winning smile for them to finally believe it
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kidkissinger posted:You're thinking of Independence Day Yea I know that's what happened in Independence Day but I remember having that exact thought in the theater, I was like "huh, this is just like Independence Day".
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Space Fish posted:Apologies if this has come up before, but how many takebacks are there in TROS? Specifically, within the confines of TROS itself, and not taking back from Last Jedi or elsewhere. Not even in a "subversive" way, but just stepping back what could have been an interesting or at least influential consequence for the sake of maintaining TROS's theme-park meaninglessness. For instance: Poe’s girlfriend gives up her only shot to get off the planet, the planet explodes, and it turns out she got off
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No Mods No Masters posted:Miniscule brain: palpatine was finally destroyed by rey 1000 generations of Sith inhabited Palpatine's body and Rey highlander'd him
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No Mods No Masters posted:Ewoks watching victorious libs suicide bombing fascists for some reason: This kicks rear end And then the SDSD drop onto the surface of the planet, killing all life on it
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AdmiralViscen posted:Poe’s girlfriend gives up her only shot to get off the planet, the planet explodes, and it turns out she got off And she escaped the planet too. Heyo!
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Basebf555 posted:I know it's nerdy as hell but that hyperspace skipping thing was extremely galling and felt to me like a slap in the face of basically the entirety of Star Wars up to that point. I took that entire sequence as a slap at the plot of Last Jedi being about how much gas they have left "Oh no tie fighters! Lets jump to hyperspace a bunch and then fly back home with no mention at all of fuel in a space adventure movie! Look how much we dont care how much fuel the millennium falcon has left!"
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Space Fish posted:Apologies if this has come up before, but how many takebacks are there in TROS? Specifically, within the confines of TROS itself, and not taking back from Last Jedi or elsewhere. Not even in a "subversive" way, but just stepping back what could have been an interesting or at least influential consequence for the sake of maintaining TROS's theme-park meaninglessness. For instance: Kylo fake dies like 4 or 5 times. - spaceship crash after Rey slices it (seriously what was the point of this scene other than a trailer shot) - Rey stab - thrown down a hole - comes back up, dies again - revived, but then immediately dies after healing rey in one of the dumbest scenes I’ve ever watched in a theatre I probably hosed this list up but still Edit: also to your last point I thought Kylo putting the helmet back together was an extremely salty swipe at Rian Johnson. Like JJ knew the movie was poo poo and was already making excuses for it. Starks fucked around with this message at 23:06 on Jan 3, 2020 |
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Hobo Clown posted:The people always had the ability to destroy the fascist super power that was blowing up their planets, but it took Lando Calrissian's winning smile for them to finally believe it To be honest this part was fairly believeable
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Starks posted:I thought Kylo putting the helmet back together was an extremely salty swipe at Rian Johnson. Like JJ knew the movie was poo poo and was already making excuses for it.
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Judgement posted:I guess a strategy of shooting the giant hanging dongs on the undersides of the destroyers wouldn't be too much different from the previously established method of easily destroying capital ships by flying up really close and blasting the tiny little command bridge a few times. Yeah but before you could blow up the bridge that way you had to destroy the pair of balls on the top of it to bring down the shields.
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Basebf555 posted:I think it was that the resistance pilots had killed the Destroyers by shooting the big Death Star cannons on their underside, and then once they leave the battle they get the word out to the rest of the galaxy that they have to target the cannons? Am I way off on that? I remember Lando or Poe saying a line that indicated that towards the end, similar to the ending of Independence day where they're like "we know how to takeem down, get the word out...." https://twitter.com/IsRexInsane/status/1208105311925686272 I saw that vid earlier today and it pretty much sums up the last fight of TROS to me
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Halloween Jack posted:To that you must add the plot points that were implied to be meaningful and then just go nowhere, like the Knights of Ren being nothing. Solo was full of that sort of thing. The Knights Of Ren are, collectively, the leadership of the First Order. They don’t have any action scenes because their role in the film is to piss off Hux with their shithead attitudes (goofy costumes, rolling coal, etc.) - leading him to become THE SPY. RE: other points raised: -Chewbacca does die, metaphorically, and the characters must rescue him from the afterlife. That’s why we‘re clearly shown that he’s dead. The image of Rey blasting the ship in an effort to grab it also hints towards the truth that she killed her parents. -C3PO also dies, permanently, and is replaced with a third version. This is seemingly related to how Palpatine survives: the cult planet recovered the body and then uploaded a copy of his brain into it. It’s also related to how Leia‘s dying act is to brainwash Kylo Ren into becoming Ben Solo. -As noted above, Leia’s body persists because her mind is still alive inside Kylo, evidently puppeteering him. -The stuff with the Death Ship GPSes was convoluted, but the basic idea (as I understood it) is that the baddies required the signal in order to navigate their way in and out of Hell World. Destroying the antenna would therefore trap the enemies in Hell. -Hyperjumping is actually a fun idea to show how things have changed since Episode 6, and it’s also an obvious solution to the “hyperspace tracking” thing (if you want to recognize the previous films). The thing to keep in mind is that Poe is deliberately leading the fighters on a pre-planned route through the most dangerous areas he knows. Judgement posted:Admittedly, I only saw the movie the one time, so I might be completely misremembering, but wasn't it shown at the very end that several of them already had made it to other locations As someone else noted earlier, the people of the Galaxy absolutely love The First Order and hate Palpatine. After it’s revealed that the Knights Of Ren have allied with an undead Palpatine, the entire population immediately turns against the First Order leadership and crushes them. That’s the montage at the end of the film.
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Starks posted:also to your last point I thought Kylo putting the helmet back together was an extremely salty swipe at Rian Johnson. Like JJ knew the movie was poo poo and was already making excuses for it. Also, different looking helmet = more merch with the new helmet
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The Shame Boy posted:I took that entire sequence as a slap at the plot of Last Jedi being about how much gas they have left Or, as I saw someone suggest in one of the numerous Star Wars threads, TLJ's "tracking through hyperspace" plot point.
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:As someone else noted earlier, the people of the Galaxy absolutely love The First Order and hate Palpatine. After it’s revealed that the Knights Of Ren have allied with an undead Palpatine, the entire population immediately turns against the First Order leadership and crushes them. That’s the montage at the end of the film. There's also the question of the "Lando Factor". Leia has spent thirty years failing to get anyone to even give her the time of day and all she has ever accomplished since RotJ is getting most of her private militia killed in embarrassing defeats. Now here comes Lando fresh out of decades living off the grid in anonymous quasi-exile. In a few hours he has gained control over the largest armed force in galactic history based on nothing more than his name. An entire galaxy has engaged in a massive armed undertaking and overthrown the reigning government for no other reason than "Lando asked me to". Evidently Lando was part of some populist wing of the Rebellion that was sidelined after the war, and after being absent (and thus avoiding any blame) for the utter failure of the New Republic he now effortlessly slides back into public life.
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Starting the petition to let Rian re-film Episode 9 and make it good like Episode 8
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I hope ben solos soul did go into Rey and thats why he wasnt there at the end and then in the next sequel trilogy Rey immaculately conceives a baby ben swolo.
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galagazombie posted:In a few hours he has gained control over the largest armed force in galactic history based on nothing more than his name. An entire galaxy has engaged in a massive armed undertaking and overthrown the reigning government for no other reason than "Lando asked me to". Right, so the movie's not totally unrealistic
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Roman posted:more likely they dont have rights to Adam Driver's face for the merchandise. I dont remember seeing his face on any merch, just the helmet. This is likely false since I bought my ex wife a Kylo Ren coloring book from Five Below for Christmas. His face is on it.
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Roman posted:more likely they dont have rights to Adam Driver's face for the merchandise. I dont remember seeing his face on any merch, just the helmet. I think it's both. The helmet smashing was sort of Rian playing with the universe and calling JJ's set-up dumb. Kylo is not a consistent character, because Rian tried to actually give him a character arc instead of what JJ was doing. I mean, if you think about what Kylo was saying in TFA, he was essentially a Darth Vader cosplayer, the equivalent of becoming an Anime Nazi because your grandfather was Goebbels. Rian having him smash the helmet was supposed to be a realization of how childish and stupid he had been, a stupid affectation that had no purpose because he wasn't scarred or crippled like Anakin was. But nope, gotta put it back together cause it's so bad rear end.
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You can't put a face that weird on just any merch, it would traumatize the children
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I've always felt like Kylo Ren in TFA was a focus-grouped villain meant to appeal to Disney's target families... he's an over-privileged suburban white kid who's throwing a temper tantrum because he didn't get the toy or video game that he wanted. (How do I know? I used to be just that kind of kid!) Much more relatable, and much less intimidating (and potentially nightmare-inducing) than imposing figures like Darth Vader or Darth Maul. I enjoyed Driver's performance much more in Rise of Skywalker than I had in either of the prior two movies, but I can also recognize it as a regression to stereotypical gender roles. All of a sudden, Ren/Ben is so stoic, keeping a lid on his emotions! Rey's the one with all the passionate emotions now! Shoehorning in her relation to Palpatine is a lovely attempt to patch over that. Kylo Ren was doomed to be an inconsistent character from the start.
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galagazombie posted:There's also the question of the "Lando Factor". Leia has spent thirty years failing to get anyone to even give her the time of day and all she has ever accomplished since RotJ is getting most of her private militia killed in embarrassing defeats. Now here comes Lando fresh out of decades living off the grid in anonymous quasi-exile. In a few hours he has gained control over the largest armed force in galactic history based on nothing more than his name. An entire galaxy has engaged in a massive armed undertaking and overthrown the reigning government for no other reason than "Lando asked me to". Evidently Lando was part of some populist wing of the Rebellion that was sidelined after the war, and after being absent (and thus avoiding any blame) for the utter failure of the New Republic he now effortlessly slides back into public life. i can't believe lando is Jeb!
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feedmyleg posted:I'd be shocked if there weren't already a petition like that with 20,000 signatures so far. I'll start it if it's not already there. Rian did so well inheriting garbage from JJ's TFA, to see it pissed on by TROS makes me weep.
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Hot take: All 3 of the sequels are bad
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istewart posted:I've always felt like Kylo Ren in TFA was a focus-grouped villain meant to appeal to Disney's target families... he's an over-privileged suburban white kid who's throwing a temper tantrum because he didn't get the toy or video game that he wanted. (How do I know? I used to be just that kind of kid!) Much more relatable, and much less intimidating (and potentially nightmare-inducing) than imposing figures like Darth Vader or Darth Maul. well, thanks for being upfront in letting us know this post is just projection on your part instead of leaving it to us to suss it out
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Just Chamber posted:Hot take: All 3 of the sequels are bad in different ways and in varying degrees
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General Dog posted:I was going to say they could've been past coordinates that were already stored, but they wouldn't have had previously entered coordinates that landed them in-atmosphere. The point is that hyperdrive doesn't work in a gravity well. The Empire used Interdictor Cruiser to generate artifical gravity mass shadow to yank ships out of hyperspace to search, board or destroy. The problem here is that the Falcon is doing something established as impossible. It's like if during the "The can fly now?" bit Finn had replied, "So can I!" flapped his arms like an epileptic chicken and taken off after the jet-pack stormtroopers. And it works because gently caress physics, it's coooooooooooool.
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Everyone posted:And it works because gently caress physics, it's coooooooooooool. except it isn't even, really. it's completely pointless.
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