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Binary Badger posted:https://www.tomshardware.com/news/nand-ssd-prices-2020-going-up Sounds like these NAND factories need some PLI handling. Have they tried using a capacitor
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# ? Mar 28, 2024 17:39 |
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Considering the power draw of the machinery, I'd imagine it's cheaper to take out an insurance policy / pay for guaranteed power from the utility company than it is to get a capacitor large enough to hold up against meaningful interruption.
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# ? Jan 4, 2020 04:55 |
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What if the plates they used were...tectonic plates
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# ? Jan 4, 2020 05:06 |
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I'm not sure that would fit in my case, but I'm willing to try!
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# ? Jan 4, 2020 07:55 |
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Geemer posted:Stop using Norton Ghost from 1999, then. Not going to lie, this brought up a nice flash of nostalgia
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# ? Jan 4, 2020 14:27 |
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Just wanted to check before I impulse buy this, there's nothing wrong with this particular strain of M2 SSD, right? https://smile.amazon.com/Samsung-860-SATA-Internal-MZ-N6E1T0BW/dp/B07822Z77M/
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# ? Jan 4, 2020 18:06 |
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dragon enthusiast posted:Just wanted to check before I impulse buy this, there's nothing wrong with this particular strain of M2 SSD, right? It’s fine as long as you do want SATA and not NVMe (PCI Express based) For the NVMe you want the 960/970
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# ? Jan 4, 2020 18:13 |
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I'm just trying to get a 1TB SSD into my PC before the supposed price hike, and that one happened to be cheaper than the normal SATA drives for reasons I haven't figured out yet.
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# ? Jan 4, 2020 19:17 |
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dragon enthusiast posted:I'm just trying to get a 1TB SSD into my PC before the supposed price hike, and that one happened to be cheaper than the normal SATA drives for reasons I haven't figured out yet. An HP EX920 (it's an NVMe drive) would be a way better choice at this price range.
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# ? Jan 4, 2020 19:26 |
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dragon enthusiast posted:I'm just trying to get a 1TB SSD into my PC before the supposed price hike, and that one happened to be cheaper than the normal SATA drives for reasons I haven't figured out yet. The actual NVMe drives can be bought with similar price and offer much better performance. https://www.amazon.com/Silicon-Power-Gen3x4-000MB-SU001TBP34A80M28AB/dp/B07L6GF81L/
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# ? Jan 4, 2020 19:27 |
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dragon enthusiast posted:I'm just trying to get a 1TB SSD into my PC before the supposed price hike, and that one happened to be cheaper than the normal SATA drives for reasons I haven't figured out yet. If you're just looking for a 1TB drive on any form factor the Crucial MX500 or WD Blue are even cheaper than the 860 Evo (and basically identical in all important respects). That way you don't need to dedicate a m.2 slot to a sata drive if you don't need to.
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# ? Jan 4, 2020 20:26 |
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Klyith posted:If you're just looking for a 1TB drive on any form factor the Crucial MX500 or WD Blue are even cheaper than the 860 Evo (and basically identical in all important respects). That way you don't need to dedicate a m.2 slot to a sata drive if you don't need to. Would either of these be a good choice for a NAS? Plugged in by USB into my router, needs to be 750GB or greater, and 2.5" SATA. Whatever can deal with being up 24/7.
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# ? Jan 6, 2020 05:52 |
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Either would be fine. They'll still max out a SATA link which will still almost certainly max out the USB link to your router.
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# ? Jan 6, 2020 06:06 |
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Decided I'm going to get one and a diskless NAS, I didn't realize my router is only USB 2.0 so I'm switching to Ethernet.
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# ? Jan 6, 2020 06:31 |
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Klyith posted:If you're just looking for a 1TB drive on any form factor the Crucial MX500 or WD Blue are even cheaper than the 860 Evo (and basically identical in all important respects). That way you don't need to dedicate a m.2 slot to a sata drive if you don't need to. A while ago the prevailing wisdom was Samsung or bust, is that no longer true?
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# ? Jan 6, 2020 09:52 |
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That hasn't been true in years.TITTIEKISSER69 posted:Would either of these be a good choice for a NAS? Plugged in by USB into my router, needs to be 750GB or greater, and 2.5" SATA. Whatever can deal with being up 24/7. Yep. The MX500 even has power-loss protection.
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# ? Jan 6, 2020 11:56 |
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dragon enthusiast posted:A while ago the prevailing wisdom was Samsung or bust, is that no longer true? If that was true I wouldn't be using 4 SSDs all filled with Micron NAND since 2014.
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# ? Jan 6, 2020 12:28 |
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dragon enthusiast posted:A while ago the prevailing wisdom was Samsung or bust, is that no longer true? Sorta. Samsung came out on top for overall value, but even when it was the king, drives like the x400 (now the WD Blue) and some of Micron's drives were perfectly acceptable. The number of drives providing great overall value has exploded since then.
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# ? Jan 6, 2020 13:41 |
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TITTIEKISSER69 posted:Would either of these be a good choice for a NAS? Plugged in by USB into my router, needs to be 750GB or greater, and 2.5" SATA. Whatever can deal with being up 24/7. SSDs are fine with being on 24/7, and for a small home NAS a dram-less drive would be functionally identical. So you could step down to the BX500 for even less money. dragon enthusiast posted:A while ago the prevailing wisdom was Samsung or bust, is that no longer true? At that time Samsung was selling fast, quality drives and undercutting everyone but the mystery no-names. And we weren't sure about the whole SSD reliability thing because OCZ's huge failure rates and the Crucial M4 buggy firmwre were still a recent memory. What's changed since then: * Drives by other high-tier companies like Crucial & WD are cheaper while being basically identical to Samsung * We've found that modern SSDs are pretty drat reliable, even from a smaller company that doesn't make their own NAND. Adata is commonly recommended ITT as a good cheap option. * Samsung saw that there were lots of people who thought "samsung or bust" and decided to charge extra for it
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# ? Jan 6, 2020 15:21 |
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Klyith posted:* Samsung saw that there were lots of people who thought "samsung or bust" and decided to charge extra for it Samsung SSDs are an idiot tax as far as I'm concerned. My Crucial M550 1TB with good ol' MLC was cheaper than the 840 Evo planar TLC trash back in mid 2014, and my recent Micron 1100 2TB, EX920 1TB and SX8200 Pro 2TB are all at least 2x GB/$ over the Samsung parts at time of purchase. Palladium fucked around with this message at 12:39 on Jan 7, 2020 |
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Palladium posted:Samsung SSDs are an idiot tax as far as I'm concerned. My Crucial M550 1TB with good ol' MLC was cheaper than the 840 Evo planar TLC trash back in mid 2014, and my recent Micron 1100 2TB, EX920 1TB and SX8200 Pro 2TB are all at least 2x GB/$ over the Samsung parts at time of purchase. Kinda unfair to compare current generation SSD pricing to pre-crash pricing, everything is cheaper than 2014 prices now. I have a Samsung SSD in my laptop but at the time of purchase it was neck and neck with the Crucial and just happened to be slightly cheaper on Amazon that day. Then a couple months later prices got slashed again.
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# ? Jan 7, 2020 12:53 |
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Is samsung Rapid mode BS in 2020? Shouldn't that be something the OS kernel should be optimizing for?
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# ? Jan 8, 2020 00:39 |
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It’s always been bs
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# ? Jan 8, 2020 01:07 |
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Shaocaholica posted:Is samsung Rapid mode BS in 2020? Shouldn't that be something the OS kernel should be optimizing for? Rapid trades safety for speed in a way that the OS won't. Cached writes in memory means they're not guaranteed. And on the read side, windows does pre-cache speculative data into empty ram, but Rapid is way more proactive. Good if it's speeding things up, bad if it's clogging IO by being too aggressive. I wouldn't call it BS exactly but I do think it is of questionable value to most people. And unlike buying a high-end nvme drive when a regular sata would be indistinguishable for the use case, there's a downside other than wasted money.
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# ? Jan 8, 2020 04:34 |
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Rapid sounds cool in theory (insane cache size), and it certainly looks good in benchmarks, but I don't recall seeing any real-world differences with it enabled. With it on, I wonder if it's making things faster just as much as I wonder how more at-risk my data is in the case of a power-loss during a big write.
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# ? Jan 9, 2020 20:35 |
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Need the enterprise SSDs with the big phat caps for power loss data retention. Then it would be cool! NVRAM drives are smokin fast
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# ? Jan 9, 2020 20:37 |
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It just seems kind of inefficient to cache files to ram outside of the OS doing it. Not sure how default windows does it but at work in linux if I access a file over the network cold it goes as usual but after that its almost instantaneous since its cached and I don't think I've ever ran into limits like file size so even big rear end files are cached as long as I have free mem. And I'm sure the OS is checking if its been updates on the network but most of the time that's not an issue. Like in windows if you open a 2GB photoshop file the next re-open of that file should be significantly faster if you have the spare memory and without any gimmicky 3rd party IO hacks.
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# ? Jan 9, 2020 20:43 |
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priznat posted:Need the enterprise SSDs with the big phat caps for power loss data retention. Let's just to back to the days when enterprise SSDs were big bricks of RAM with batteries sized to last several days.
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# ? Jan 9, 2020 21:34 |
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Need a ramcorder.
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# ? Jan 9, 2020 21:44 |
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I've just bought a new system to upgrade my ancient Q6600-based PC. I was intending to use current storage (old crucial sata SSD boot drive, mixture of sata and ide bulk storage) for the time being and grab an M.2 later in the year but with Nand prices looking like they might rise i figure it might make sense to get it now. I'm looking at 1TB drives, but wondered if there's a real difference between drives like the Rocket Q/WD Blue/Crucial P1/Intel 660/Adata SX6000 and the more expensive drives like the Rocket/Black/MP510/SX8200 etc? As a comparison a Rocket Q is £100 vs a Rocket at £120, with the rest being more in either bracket.
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Lungboy posted:I've just bought a new system to upgrade my ancient Q6600-based PC. I was intending to use current storage (old crucial sata SSD boot drive, mixture of sata and ide bulk storage) for the time being and grab an M.2 later in the year but with Nand prices looking like they might rise i figure it might make sense to get it now. I'm looking at 1TB drives, but wondered if there's a real difference between drives like the Rocket Q/WD Blue/Crucial P1/Intel 660/Adata SX6000 and the more expensive drives like the Rocket/Black/MP510/SX8200 etc? As a comparison a Rocket Q is £100 vs a Rocket at £120, with the rest being more in either bracket. So you will max out at 550MB/s The Intel 660p is a PCIe drive so you can get peak speeds of say 1,800MB/s, but sustained write performance won't quite match up with more expensive drives lik the Samsung Pros or WD Blacks Then, the ADATA SX6000 will come up short in benchmarks against say, the ADATA SX8200, but in day to dayuse you might not realyl notice a difference. https://www.extremetech.com/computing/294767-at-a-glance-adata-xpg-sx6000-pro-review
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Bob Morales posted:The biggest difference is drives like the WD Blue are m.2 interface but are actually SATA drives Ah sorry, i meant the Blue SN550, the nvme one. I think the rest are all nvme. Thanks for the SX6000 link, although those are more expensive than the full featured Rocket.
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# ? Jan 10, 2020 15:39 |
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If £20 is important to you, and you were living with a Q6600 for this long, the performance difference probably isn't something to worry about. If £20 is ignorable to you, I'd vote for the 8200 Pro or similar and remove storage as any sort of potential bottleneck for the next decade.
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# ? Jan 10, 2020 16:19 |
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If I just want to use it for windows/gaming, I won't notice much difference between this drive and a more expensive ADATA NVME, will I?
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# ? Jan 11, 2020 14:52 |
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Not enormously, no. It will be slower, but not massively so in daily use. The biggest bits are that it'll still need a normal SATA connection, instead of slotting into a M.2 slot. Also good luck getting any warranty support if it goes bad at some point.
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# ? Jan 11, 2020 15:13 |
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Normally, you will never notice the difference between a sata ssd and nvme for windows/gaming. Random industrial SSD with no independent performance numbers anywhere on the internet? Who knows. It's got a marvell controler and dram at least. I'd only get a no warranty mystery disk if it's a drat good bargain. I don't know UK prices tho.
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# ? Jan 11, 2020 15:40 |
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Thanks to the both of you. For comparison's sake, it's about the same price as a 1tb Adata sx8200 pro.
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# ? Jan 11, 2020 17:12 |
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What’s a good sale price on a decent (doesn’t have to be great) 2tb nvme drive? Just browsing today, I see around $220. I don’t need one immediately but also I don’t want to bother waiting/checking around for weeks to save less than like 10%
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# ? Jan 11, 2020 22:04 |
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Considering you can get 1tb for ~$100, ~$200.
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# ? Mar 28, 2024 17:39 |
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I think proper good NVMes like the Sabrent Rocket and ex950 were down around $210 at Black Friday. SSD prices have gone up, though, so we probably won't see deals like that for a while. QLC drives like the 660p were $190-200 for a while, but have gone up $30+ since the beginning of January.
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