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Vagabundo posted:Yeah, it can't be understated just how much films from the 70s and 80s have aged out so bad. Like in Grease, when one of the T-Birds is like "did she put a fight?" during the Summer Nights song. Like, it had better not mean what I think it means (which is totally what it means). Saturday Night Fever is even worse.
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There's actual rape in Revenge of the Nerds and it's played 100% for laughs.
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Jan 5, 2020 06:37
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Rhyno posted:There's actual rape in Revenge of the Nerds and it's played 100% for laughs. John Stamos apparently did that in real life and told it as an amusing anecdote in an interview
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Jan 5, 2020 07:15
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Rhyno posted:There's actual rape in Revenge of the Nerds and it's played 100% for laughs. Was that during the frat party scene? I haven't seen that movie in, like, 20 years. I remember there was also a bit where the nerds set up cameras in a sorority and were watching them get undressed and poo poo.
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Vagabundo posted:Was that during the frat party scene? I haven't seen that movie in, like, 20 years. I remember there was also a bit where the nerds set up cameras in a sorority and were watching them get undressed and poo poo. Little nerd puts on the jock's costume and rapes the jock's girlfriend but it's okay because she falls in love with him later. Ugh, that entire franchise should just be burned in a dumpster.
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Jan 5, 2020 07:25
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Bust Rodd posted:Scientology is probably deeply entwined with the culture of sexual assault in Hollywood. I listened to a 3 part series on L. Ron Hubbard and not only was he crazy but almost certainly a massive sleazebag pervert and that behavior is more normalized the higher up you get, and waaaaaaaay too many big Hollywood names are lifers in Scientology He was a sci-fi writer of course he was a pervert.
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Jan 5, 2020 07:45
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Rhyno posted:Little nerd puts on the jock's costume and rapes the jock's girlfriend but it's okay because she falls in love with him later. Also they earlier spied on her in the change room and secretly took a photo of her topless and then distributed it to the entire campus (they print it on the plates when they're selling 'pies' to raise money) which is written off as a prank against her boyfriend
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Rhyno posted:The other Crash is better anyways. For the longest time, I thought that people were upset that a weird sex fetish movie had won best picture.
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Jan 5, 2020 08:47
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SimonChris posted:For the longest time, I thought that people were upset that a weird sex fetish movie had won best picture. It should have as it was amazing.
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Jan 5, 2020 09:01
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Rhyno posted:The other Crash is better anyways. Infinitely so.
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Jan 5, 2020 09:09
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The sex = death thing in horror films definitely has some rooted link to American puritanicalism in the culture, reinforcing that sinning sexually deserves to be punished. It's also more grimy than that though. Directors were, broadly, looking for ways to get tits and arse on screen as a draw, and throwaway sex scenes as set up to murders were a simple way of doing that. You don't need to do much writing to establish a sex scene like that. It puts two characters in an isolated location by default, and being naked makes them vulnerable. It's a shortcut. In much the same way many 80s B movie action films have the protagonist motivated by revenge for a rape, or rape as the crime that establishes the bad guys. It's not because the directors had a big boner for showing rape (except maybe Michael Winner) it's because they were idiot hacks who had a thought process of "rape involves sex, sex involves tits, therefore rape = tits on screen & character motivation in one scene. Efficient storytelling!"
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Jan 5, 2020 09:12
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Rhyno posted:There's actual rape in Revenge of the Nerds and it's played 100% for laughs. A very similar scene plays out in the 2009 Richard Curtis film The Boat That Rocked. Acknowledged as being based on a real event, a DJ sends a friend to have sex with an unknowing groupie who wants to gently caress the DJ. Curtis wrote it for laughs. About five years later the people the film had been about started getting arrested for historical rapes and sexual assaults, because while Curtis still has the mindset that it's funny, not many other people do. (gently caress Richard Curtis.)
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Jan 5, 2020 09:18
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oh bother https://deadline.com/2020/01/terry-gilliam-complains-about-metoo-and-says-white-males-are-blamed-for-everything-1202820799/ quote:Terry Gilliam Complains About #MeToo And Says “White Males Are Blamed For Everything” quote:
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Jan 5, 2020 11:25
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Again? Is this a new set of dumb statements?
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Jan 5, 2020 11:30
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Terry Gilliam doesn’t whole unless something is sabotaging his movie so this time he has to sabotage it himself
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Jan 5, 2020 12:20
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"Old guy yells at cloud". Then again, I will probably be just as stuck in the past 50 years from now.
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Jan 5, 2020 12:25
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Ebert loved Crash at the time and said in regards to it beating Brokeback Mountain that the "better film" won.
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SimonChris posted:For the longest time, I thought that people were upset that a weird sex fetish movie had won best picture. The fact that they gave "Best Picture" to a movie that was released eight years earlier never stuck you as odd? They almost never do that.
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Jan 5, 2020 15:53
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Prince Myshkin posted:Ebert loved Crash at the time and said in regards to it beating Brokeback Mountain that the "better film" won. Ebert, and I can’t stress this enough, was a hack and his school of critique has been poison to cinema
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Jan 5, 2020 17:05
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Bust Rodd posted:Ebert, and I can’t stress this enough, was a hack and his school of critique has been poison to cinema I didn't post that because I agree with him. I agree with you.
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Jan 5, 2020 17:09
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"When you have power you don't take responsibility for abusing others, you enjoy the power" is perhaps one of the most disgusting things I can imagine saying in response to that. loving hell.
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Jan 5, 2020 17:13
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Bust Rodd posted:Ebert, and I can’t stress this enough, was a hack and his school of critique has been poison to cinema What school was that?
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This is what Terry Gilliam has to say about personal responsibility:quote:We’re living in a time where there’s always somebody responsible for your failures, and I don’t like this. I want people to take responsibility and not just constantly point a finger at somebody else, saying, ‘You’ve ruined my life.’ quote:No. When you have power, you don’t take responsibility for abusing others. You enjoy the power. That’s the way it works in reality.
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Jan 5, 2020 20:55
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the quote about weinstein is so egregiously terrible that I clicked through to the source article that deadline is reporting on. “surely they must be taking this at least slightly out of context, why would he say something so obviously repugnant?” well, no, it’s exactly as awful in the source; Jesus Christ
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Jan 5, 2020 21:17
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That's just making me think back to Brazil, like maybe the ending's implication was that "fascism is good, because the alternative is living in a fantasy dreamworld". I mean, did he really say that, and mean it that way? The gently caress.
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Jan 5, 2020 23:05
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porfiria posted:What school was that? The school of thinking pointing out plot holes is critique.
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King Vidiot posted:That's just making me think back to Brazil, like maybe the ending's implication was that "fascism is good, because the alternative is living in a fantasy dreamworld". idk how the hell you got that out of Brazil's ending, maybe watch it again
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Bonaventure posted:the quote about weinstein is so egregiously terrible that I clicked through to the source article that deadline is reporting on. “surely they must be taking this at least slightly out of context, why would he say something so obviously repugnant?” I dunno, I kinda want to give him the benefit of the doubt, like he was talking about the twisted mentality of the abuser or something.
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he basically says "the women are adults and knew what they were getting into"
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Sucrose posted:I dunno, I kinda want to give him the benefit of the doubt, like he was talking about the twisted mentality of the abuser or something. quote:Isn’t it a bigger problem that men are refusing to take responsibility for abusing women, and abusing their power? “No. When you have power, you don’t take responsibility for abusing others. You enjoy the power. That’s the way it works in reality.”
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Asgerd posted:This is what Terry Gilliam has to say about personal responsibility: I mean, he put a nine year old in danger numerous times during the filming of Baron Munchausen. https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/adventures-baron-munchausen-trauma-behind-classic-1193214 Hollywood Reporter posted:The “history” in question that Polley mentions has to do with her much more distressing memories of the production being at odds with Gilliam’s recollection of things. Sarah Polley posted:“The average day working with him on set was a complicated combination of things,” Polley, now 40, tells THR. “He treated me with so much respect and was so encouraging. But the days were grueling. I worked a lot of overtime, and it felt stressful, chaotic, and, often, unsafe. I remember freezing in water tanks for hours at a time, running through explosives, having to go to the hospital, not being able to hear, etcetera. Ultimately, the experience of working on this film was one of the most traumatic things that happened to me as a child, and it had competition.“ ... “I haven’t encountered anyone, over the years, who shares Terry’s impression that things were ‘quite safe,’ including the special effects crew. I’ve talked with many cast and crew members over the years and they all felt that many of us were in danger many, many times. When I was in my 20s I met the special effects guy and he cried when we met, saying he still had nightmares about some of the situations Terry put me in. He asked if we could watch the movie together to exorcise some of the bad memories. We watched it, holding hands, and wincing through much of it. I went to the hospital on more than one occasion during that shoot. Explosives went off, close to my face, some by accident. I ran through corridors of them, I ducked under fiery logs. I still have nightmares about these moments. Many things were done by my adult stunt double, but too many things weren’t. The special effects guy said that the memory of me in hysterics and screaming in terror was something he couldn't rid himself of.”
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Terry Gilliam's movies all drip with self-loathing just barely exceeded by misanthropy, and every time he opens his mouth in public it's not hard to see why.
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Prince Myshkin posted:The school of thinking pointing out plot holes is critique. This is kind of a reductive view IMO.
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Jan 6, 2020 07:51
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Ebert hates videogames Gamers rise up! O7
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Maybe the reason gilliam has had so many directing woes isn’t because of corporate meddling but because he loving sucks as a human?
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Even before the Video Games thing I found Ebert to be a bit of a old todger who equates “coincidence” with “plot hole” when that’s actually just how you tell stories sometimes, but then he came out and basically said “Old Mediums are the only way to tell stories, you cannot tell stories with new mediums and games will never be art” and I knew that he was absolutely creatively bankrupt and had nothing left to offer to the conversation.
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Eugene V. Dubstep posted:idk how the hell you got that out of Brazil's ending, maybe watch it again Yeah great but I'm not talking about Brazil's ending I'm talking about Terry Gilliam being an awful person who literally said “When you have power, you don’t take responsibility for abusing others. You enjoy the power. That’s the way it works in reality".
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How did I not guess it was because he hated on videogames lol.
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King Vidiot posted:Yeah great but I'm not talking about Brazil's ending I'm talking about Terry Gilliam being an awful person who literally said “When you have power, you don’t take responsibility for abusing others. You enjoy the power. That’s the way it works in reality". Terry Gilliam is wrong but he is obviously not justifying abuse of power. He's saying that anybody, no matter their skin color or gender, abuses power. He feels white men are unjustly picked on because anybody with Harvey Weinstein's power might have done the same thing regardless of their race or sex. He's quite clear on this point when a few lines later he calls one of the two female producers on Fisher King a 'neurotic bitch': 'It wasn’t about their sex. It was about the position of power and how people use it.' He's wrong because he doesn't admit that simply being a white man confers power, but you don't have to turn him into Henry Kissinger.
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porfiria posted:How did I not guess it was because he hated on videogames lol. If a sculptor came out and said “Painting is a bad medium devoid of creative expression” you’d rightfully think they were out of touch.
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