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Kai seemed like a level-headed guy who would be the voice of reason (Joe being a moral center and Keiji bringing intuition and a detective nose), but this throws him into a new light.
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I'm more surprised it was revealed this early, if anything. Sara did think she recognised Kai when they first met here, so it's not like you couldn't see this coming at some point.
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As a major Zero Escape & Dangan Ronpa fan, I'm definitely interested in seeing how this one goes! Feels like a pretty good mix of the two. Regarding this new revelation... didn't Joe say earlier that he'd gotten close enough to punch the stalker in the face? So he should recognize him as well. Is that why he was so suspicious earlier, talking about how the culprit is likely blending in with them? That would explain a lot. I also find it interesting how early the game seems to be flagging both Kai and Sou (the person who told us about morality votes) as suspicious. Presumably that means neither of them are actually behind it, since it's too early for that sort of twist to be revealed, but we'll see.
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differentiating posted:As a major Zero Escape & Dangan Ronpa fan, I'm definitely interested in seeing how this one goes! Feels like a pretty good mix of the two. Has Joe ever seen the stalker before? He might have just assumed the stranger in Sara's house was her stalker because that's a pretty reasonable assumption to make.
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No music.  "A… Ah, I’m fine…" I can hardly get any words out… I can’t let him suspect me. I can’t let him realize...  "…" "…Miss Sara." "Sara! Are you okay?!" "Joe…" "It’s okay… I just felt a little drained…" "Don’t push it! Lean on my shoulder and we’ll rest." "Got it…!"  "…I’m okay now." "For real?" "Really… " "In exchange… If I say any complaints… You better come help me right away."  Investigate above the dartboard.  "Don't you feel wind blowing from above the dartboard? Doesn't seem like an air conditioner or anything."Investigate the hole. "Don't slip and fall down it!"Investigate blue door. "That's the room where we did Russian Roulette."Investigate red door. "Won't open, huh..." Music stops.  "Kanna…!" "H-Hey, is it okay for you to be up?" "…I… I…" "No… It’s not that…" "I just… really wanted to ask you…" "…!" "Please… give me an answer…" "Back then… could Kanna have… actually saved her sister?" "………" "I was disoriented… so I didn’t hear what everyone else said. But you and Joe… and Mishima and Nao… You all had the same trial, right…?" "Kanna…" "…Could Kanna… have saved her?" "………"
I was about to tell her the truth, when... "Oh my, Miss Kanna. Reko and Nao were looking for you, you know?" "…Ah…" "I heard you talking here, so I came over." "………" "Mr. Mishima…" "…" "Please tell me… I…" "Eh…?" "Because we only had one key, we… We had to remove the other restraints by force." "…!" "…Luckily, Miss Nao had myself, and Miss Sara had Joe."
 "I…It’s not a lie! This is the truth, Kanna!" "I suppose it was a trial of… both assessing the situation, and of might. For you and your sister… It was a trial with hardly any chance of success…" "I… I don’t believe it! I won’t! You’re all trying to deceive me…" "It’s true, Kanna." "S… Sara…" "E… Even if it sounds like a lie… It won’t change the reality…" "We’re all telling you… the truth…" "………" "Miss Kanna… You regret it, yes?" "I… Kanna…"   "Her sister was frantically trying to help! But Kanna’s an idiot… She didn’t listen…!!" "What was your sister like…?" "………" "…Sister… My sister was… kind… Even when we fought… she’d never be cruel…!" "She was always thinking about Kanna…!" "…!"  Music stops. "Was it not that your very existence gave your sister happiness?" "…" "Miss Kanna, I can sense that you were loved, as if it were in the very air." "Surely… Surely, you were raised with the utmost care, were you not? I’m sure she was a wonderful sister." "…Ah… Aah… sniff…" "Miss Sara, if you were her sister, what would you say to her?" "Kanna… When you smile, it makes me happy, and when you cry, it makes me sad." "Let me… protect my dear sister. The fact you’re alive… makes me happy!" "…Sis… ter… I miss you… sister…" "Now, the time for blaming yourself has passed. Your sister is surely watching you from somewhere." "…Kanna…" "Kanna won't give in…! Because… her sister is watching…!"   "Dammit, you nutty professor! What happened to “shout when you find her”?!" "Oh dear, it appears I’m being yelled at." "That’s not it, Reko. See, um… Let’s go and I’ll explain, okay?" "…Hm? R-Really…? Sure, okay…" "I will return to searching, myself."
"No, I am thankful to you…" "It’s thanks to you two following along that I was able to make something of it." "Nah, I couldn’t do a thing…" "Miss Sara. Do you understand why Miss Kanna came to talk to you?" "Eh…?" "…I do…?" "Miss Sara… Until we can leave here… Please take the role of Miss Kanna’s older sister for her." "…!" "And Joe, her younger brother." "C’mon, not the elder brother?!" "Hahaha… Well then, another time…" (Me, act as Kanna’s older sister? I wonder if… I can do a thing like that…)  Talk to Nao, Kanna and Reko. The three are chatting calmly. "Glad you regained consciousness, Kanna." "Thank you very much… Sorry to worry you." "Kids don’t gotta be all respectful! Let your feelings out as they are."  "Reko… It seems like you’re enjoying yourself too."
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 "Whew… That was one stiff door!"Investigate behind the door. It’s dark behind the sliding door. "Maybe there’s some clue in there!" Joe stuck his hand into the darkness. "Hm… What’s this?" "I think I saw this online once… It’s a tool for cutting cigars to smoke them."
(Do I look like I would…?) "…Oh! More importantly, there’s something bigger in the back! Alright, what’s this?" "Weeaaagh?!" "Looks like this one’s a doll limb too. Take it, Joe." "Wh… Why are you so calm…"Talk to Gin. Gin is searching at a low eye-level. "Bars are just full of alcohol, meow." "I hate alcohol, woof! And I hate my drunkard dad more, meow!" "…" "What…? You’ve got a quiet look, woof." "Hey, once we get out of here, let’s play together, Gin!" "Huh! Then I’ll beat you up in video games ‘til you’re crying, woof!"Talk to Mishima. Professor Mishima’s inspecting every inch of the room. "Please tell me if you need anything, Miss Sara." "Oh, oh? What is that?" "Huh…? You mean the cigar cutter?" "Precisely. It’s a tool used for smoking cigars… You won’t be smoking, will you, Miss Sara?" "O-Of course not! Obviously…!" "Ah, well… Then… err… Could I take it?" "Uh… Professor Mishima, are you going to smoke a cigar?" (As long as you’re an adult, I think it’s fine…) Handed the Cigar Cutter over to Professor Mishima. Professor Mishima is grinning. "Oh… Miss Sara." "Professor Mishima, did something good happen? "W-W-W-What are you speaking of?! There’s nothing…! Indeed…!" "Like, maybe… You’re happy about the cigar?"  "That cigar looks really expensive, huh?" "Yes…" "Might not be something you can buy in Japan…" "Hrmmm…" "Should someone put it back where it was?" "What in the world are you saying?! …Ah, err… well…" "I know! Perhaps it would be good to inspect the cigar first! Yes!" "Hmm… Let us try using the cutter on this cigar. Professor Mishima cuts it with a practiced hand. "Oh…? What is this?" Amazingly, there was a bill inside the cigar. "Aha…! It seems it wasn’t a real cigar!" "What a relief. Smoking is bad for you, after all. Ahh, thank goodness, thank goodness…" "………" "Miss Sara, please take the unused lighter and this 1000-yen bill. When I really think about it, you will likely find more use for them." (…So he did intend to use the lighter.) Professor Mishima looks dejected. A vending machine with high prices. "Both water and soda cost 1000 yen!! Wow! What must that even taste like?!"  "Whoa…!" "…! Is that a doll arm?!" "It’s way too realistic… Wish they’d cut it out…" "Oh, lemme hold onto it, Sara. Be grateful!"
Music stops.   "Open ‘er up…!" Investigate the torso. A clothed doll torso leans against the wall. (Head, left arm, right arm, left leg, right leg. This should be everything.)  "…We’re doing it…! Okay, I’ll call the others!" "Well now… We’re finally doing it." "Hey, actually… Where have you even been?" "Sou…! You’re okay!" "That’s my line! …Good, so everyone’s safe." "My heart is beating fast… What could possibly happen…?" "I got the door open just in case." "So our escape route’s secured!" Keiji skillfully attached the parts to the doll torso placed there… The right arm… left arm… right leg… left leg… And… the head. ……… …Nothing’s happening? "…Wait. You smell somethin’?" "…Huh?!" "Hey… Is it just me, or is the room going white?!"  "P…Poison…?! Not good… we need to leave the room…!" (I can’t see anything…!) I can’t even see past my own hands. There’s nowhere to run. Are we all going to suffocate? I’m not… prepared.  "H… Huh?! Y… You’re… The doll?!"  "Heeheehee… Yes, I am the doll that you just rescued. Advanced, am I not?" "Haaaaah?! The hell’s goin’ on here?!" "Stay away from me, you creepy-rear end puppet!!" "Ehehe. There’s nothing to fear, you see? I will offer you all support…" "Ah… oogh… oooh…" "Ahaha… Sigh… Is there no one who can speak calmly here?" "I'll ask. Just what are you?" "Tell the friendly policeman too. I’m not really following here…" "Ehehe. Then we’ll begin with my introduction…"  "Ehee. My master has instructed me to guide you brave souls, who have overcome several trials, to the Main Game." "Your master… In other words, you’re on the side of the kidnappers." "S… So you’re our enemy?! Don’t try and say you’re not!!" "Ahaha! How very serious! Ahaha!"  "Ehee… heehee… I know… I just have to tear you up first…" "Tear us up…?!" "Ahahaha. As a warning, yes…"A beep sounds. "…" Music stops. "Ehehe. Anyone will do, heehee. If it’ll make you quiet…" "W… What did you do?!" "Eheehee, what indeed?" "Hey!! Answer me!!" "Ahaha, oh, very well." 
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Rest in peace, Joe, we hardly knew ye. EDIT: wrote 'piece' instead before, truly unfortunate typo there. limeicebreakers fucked around with this message at 07:03 on Jan 5, 2020 |
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Kanna I know this maybe isn't the best time and we're all under a lot of stress with Joe about to be exploding but what the gently caress is up with your hat.
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Explosions posted:Kanna I know this maybe isn't the best time and we're all under a lot of stress with Joe about to be exploding but what the gently caress is up with your hat. Yeah, why is she wearing a bucket? And why is the doll lady's hat melted?
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Explosions posted:Kanna I know this maybe isn't the best time and we're all under a lot of stress with Joe about to be exploding but what the gently caress is up with your hat. She keeps snacks in it, duh. Neat that Professor Nagito-hair isn't completely nuts if the way he trick-relaxed Kanna is anything to go by.
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Sou suddenly being back without fanfare is suspicious af.
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Ah yes, that doll definitely came to life, yessiree. Absolutely nothing else happened, definitely not someone swapping places with it while everyone was blinded, nope.
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it's especially fishy as the art depicts the doll parts as not wearing anything and she's clearly wearing opera gloves. Could be an art error, but but kind of interesting.
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placid saviour posted:Sou suddenly being back without fanfare is suspicious af. HydroSphere posted:
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...I have the sinking feeling that the kind lie those 3 just told is going to be used to hurt Kanna even worse in the future. 
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Just out of curiosity, if you actually shoot people in the gun minigame, is that a game over or an actual secondary path? I can't imagine they wrote the dialogue and branches supporting every single combination of survivors.
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Level Seven posted:She keeps snacks in it, duh. Being able to manipulate people like that means we should probably watch him very carefully. Not just what he says, but how he says things. Not actually being completely nuts is frankly even worse.
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Regallion posted:Just out of curiosity, if you actually shoot people in the gun minigame, is that a game over or an actual secondary path? I can't imagine they wrote the dialogue and branches supporting every single combination of survivors. Game Over. They slump over dead from a gunshot to the head and Sara has a complete screaming breakdown because she just messed up and killed someone.
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Logical way of doing it, while reducing the amount of writing permutations they need to do. Nice and clean.
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Keldulas posted:Logical way of doing it, while reducing the amount of writing permutations they need to do. Nice and clean. Yeah, if you had to start shooting each person on purpose just to get all the routes that'd get pretty messed up. Anyway, RIP Joe, I'm pretty sad he's the unlucky bastard getting Gugnir'd to show off the power and control of the mastermind. 
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I man, it makes sense, right? As your friend from the start Joe is the auto-trust option - in a death game, we can't have those hanging around.
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  "Ahaha! Get away, get away! It’s dangerooous!"Beeps become louder, then fade away. "Pant… pant… pant…" "A… A lie…"  "…You piece of poo poo…!!" "Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!" "Eheh, it’s so funny, ahah, I can’t, heehee, even talk, mweeheeheehee…" "She’s out of her mind, meow…" (Out of her mind… Or not human to begin with?) "Heeheehee. A chosen 20... no." "Ahaha... Is it only 12 now? Ohoho." "You will soon undergo a great trial in order to escape outside."   "And that one person..." "Shall be decided by your own majority vote." "Eh…?" "I’m saying that you’ll pick it yourselves.  "Stop talkin’ nonsense…!! Like we’re gonna do somethin’ like that!!" "Ahaha. Then by all means, starve to death here, all of you." "Whoa, just laying it on the table." (Pick… one of us…? What… What is she saying? I can’t comprehend…) Not one of us could speak up anymore. We could kill one of these people, stuck in the same situation…? Who we had considered allies? Or else… we would be killed by them…?  "Ahaha, don’t go so pale, everyone! I’ve got something good to hand out!" Something good…? My head won’t work… I hardly understand what she’s saying… "Ahaha. Here, Sara, Chidouin, have this tablet." "Ehehe, does everyone have one now? Let us test the functionality with some actual use." "When voting, if you know who voted for who, it turns into a quarrel, doesn’t it? Eheehee… Thus, by voting with these tablets, you won’t know who made what vote."                "Oh my… It appears to be a bit one-sided." "Hm… So this is a tablet for voting…" "Ahaha. Is there something you want to say?" "Eheehee. Unfortunately, I do not." "A pity…" "Ehehe. More importantly, are you sure?" "Hmm?"Music stops. Beeping starts again.  Beeping continues. "…What are you doing…?" "…" "It won’t explode, will it…?" "Ahaha, no, it won’t explode…" "What did you say…?" "P… Professor…?" "Eheehee. Aheh, aheehahaha!"   The collar was visibly changing color.  "Professor!! PROFESSOOOOOOOOR!!!" (Professor Mishima…!!) A smell lingered in the air. A smell I’d never experienced before… "Take it off!! Take it off, old man!" "NOOOOOOOO!! PROFESSOOOOOOOOOOOOOOR!!!" Professor Mishima pushed Nao away. And with that, he fell backwards in front of Kanna. "Help!! The professor!! The professor’s going to die!!" "D…Don’t!! If you touch that collar…!!"   Music stops. "Professor!! PROFESSOOOOOOOOR!!" "Hee… heehee, heeahahaha…!! Bwahah…!" "Ahhhh… sniff… ahhh…!!" "Hahahahahaha!! How unladylike. You wet yourself?" "You’ve learned what a majority vote means from this experience, haven’t you?" Awful… This is too awful… It wasn’t an instant pain. He was burned at length… And unable to even writhe… he died.
  "Heehee… heeheehee… You annoy me, you powerless little girl… …No."Music stops.  Stop. "I… I…" "Hahaha, I saw all of it. How miserable you were in your First Trial, Kanna." Don’t trample on her. On Professor Mishima’s concern for Kanna. On the words he left her.  Bang.    "You little…!!"
"So even dolls bleed red." "…Don’t think you can do this… and just get away scot-free…!!"  "Dammit!! drat it!! I’ll remember this!!" "I’ll be waiting… on the grounds of the Main Game…!" "Are you all right? I don’t understand… Professor Mishima’s death… Nor who Kai is. But… Yes… even if what awaits is us killing each other by majority vote… However cruel a future it is… I can’t…   
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Jan 7, 2020 02:52
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Dang. That's a pretty heavy bait and switch. I'm also impressed at how brutal that death seemed, even though it was just a single image.
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You know what Kai may be a stalker but please keep beating that freak to death with a frying pan.
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Okay, um, holy poo poo. I'm definitely glad the professor went out instead of Joe, and those collars were obviously bad news, but still. Also, her comment about "20... no 12" raises quite a few questions. I assume this means what the names in the bar were hinting at - that the game started with 20 people, but a large number died during the first trial - but 12? Before the professor's death, we only knew of 11 people, and 1 confirmed death. So where's our 12th person hiding at? Are they the mastermind?
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"Oops, my hand slipped," is so goddamn fantastic that I've decided Kai must be a good guy. So what if he's a stalker? He probably had a perfectly good reason.  Also, if I'm doing my math correctly then 20 original players, with 12 that we've met, introduces the possibility that everyone had a partner of some sort-- 10 pairs, with only Joe and Sara and Mishima and Nao managing to save everyone. There were only 3 keys, but the traps in the other rooms could have been different. This would also mean that everyone other than Kanna lied. yamiaainferno fucked around with this message at 05:53 on Jan 7, 2020 |
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Jan 7, 2020 05:48
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Well Sou and Nao should probably be under suspicion based on their votes, and Sou is already suspicious, so based on genre awareness he's definitely not the culprit 
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Occam's razor at the moment just suggests that the people who were kidnapped alone didn't actually have partners. I would buy there being a bunch of solo encounters set up as well.
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Keldulas posted:Occam's razor at the moment just suggests that the people who were kidnapped alone didn't actually have partners. I would buy there being a bunch of solo encounters set up as well. This seems likely, I suspect if Joe hadn't been walking with Sara, she would've ended up in a solo trap.
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yamiaainferno posted:"Oops, my hand slipped," is so goddamn fantastic that I've decided Kai must be a good guy. So what if he's a stalker? He probably had a perfectly good reason. I have a hard time believing that. I could see 1-2 people lying for ~dramatic reasons~, maybe, but it's a stretch of the imagination to imagine everyone is. Maybe some of our unaccounted-for 8 were paired together themselves, and others came in as solo participants? After all, right now we're evenly split - we know of 6 people who were paired up (Joe/Sara, Nao/Mishima, Kanna/Kanna's sister), and 6 who were solos (Q-taro, Gin, Keiji, Sou, Reko, Kai).
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yamiaainferno posted:Also, if I'm doing my math correctly then 20 original players, with 12 that we've met, introduces the possibility that everyone had a partner of some sort-- 10 pairs, with only Joe and Sara and Mishima and Nao managing to save everyone. There were only 3 keys, but the traps in the other rooms could have been different. This would also mean that everyone other than Kanna lied. Keep in mind we've only met 11 people so far including Sara.
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I am predicting that, tied to the "The doll parts didn't have gloves", that this figure is not the doll and the point of the gas was to swap her in. Hence the bleeding (and not having to explain advanced AI if possible, though it's always a possibility). I was curious that at least one of the earlier rooms it was commented that people didn't see any security cameras or similar. Anyway, looks cool and hype, thanks for showing this off! Will be reading along.
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Oh! Joe's not getting offed right away to take away the main character's best support! Nice fakeout, game. But nooooo, Professor Komaeda Hair He seemed so stupidly creepy as hell in the beginning, but that scene with the lie to Kanna got me to like him after all.
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He gets two humanizing scenes for us to like him, then he gets killed because he was distrusted by the other two due to looking creepy. Again, this is well-done. And yeah I totally agree that the doll got swapped with a person. I'm surprised that Kai had that much self-control to not keep beating the fucker since she literally killed someone in front of them and proceeded to gently caress with Kanna.
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The Professor being so caring towards Kanna seems like such an obvious red flag now. But of course one only picks up on these things in retrospect.
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Okay, yeah, I think at this point I'm just gonna like cave and play this for myself. Kinda on the fence before, but this definitely settles it.Keldulas posted:He gets two humanizing scenes for us to like him, then he gets killed because he was distrusted by the other two due to looking creepy. Again, this is well-done. I dunno what Sou's deal is, but the other person who voted for Mishima was Nao. Y'know, his student that he came here with in the first place. She like definitely didn't distrust him; if anything, she idolised him. Why she'd vote for him, however, when everyone else seemed to realize that self-voting was the obvious thing to do here is very debatable, though.
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Well I just went and binged the whole game because I needed to know what happened. I’m looking forward to the commentary and speculation!
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The game seems to want us to focus on the quartet of Joe/Keiji/Kai/Sou for now, and those four are probably going to be the people with the most scrutiny, at least at the moment.
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Dragonatrix posted:Okay, yeah, I think at this point I'm just gonna like cave and play this for myself. Kinda on the fence before, but this definitely settles it. Is it possible they simply misunderstood the rules? The doll also did frame it as "just a test, vote for whoever," so that also means they lied about the rules in the first place.
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