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Previous GenChat This is a casual place to talk about casual things, like if there's ever been a cat as clever as Mister Mistoffelees.
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Jan 7, 2020 13:45
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Franchescanado posted:Previous GenChat I for one am glad that a film that has been critically savaged is flopping at the BO. And now a little work anecdote. I am working on a Dutch WW2 film, which has a small English-language storyline with two English actors. I have been helping a bit on the casting side and doing the talent deals. (I do not enjoy talent deals but there was nobody else on this project better qualified, so rather I do it than someone else gently caress it up). The actor is reasonably well known but not a huge star - he is best known as a major supporting actor in a huge franchise from a few years ago. We agree key commercial terms and send a long-form agreement. His LA lawyer (oh god...) responds...very reasonably. For instance, when it comes to likeness tie and credits etc (if someone else gets a likeness then this actor has to get one too) he excludes the three main leads, i.e., he acknowledges that his client is a supporting actor and not a lead. (In other words, this actor only gets his likeness included in promotional materials if any other actor excluding the three leads is featured too). This is surprising: the MO is to act as if your client is a huge star and demand that they are treated as well as the leads. For their starting position to recognise that he is supporting is remarkable. The negotiation goes on pretty easily and smoothly, with the other side being firm-ish but fair and open to reason. We sign the deal. The Dutch are flabbergasted. To them this has been an absolute marathon of a negotiation, with an incredibly complex and detailed agreement resulting. They are used to much smaller, simpler films with correspondingly simpler Dutch cast agreements. As far as I was concerned, this was pretty smooth sailing. Anyway, it made me look good, which is the main thing. The other element I am handling is that there is a big Netflix deal which is only paid after delivery. So in order to convert it to production cashflow we need to get a loan. They had a Dutch lender who was offering what I thought were eye-watering terms for a vanilla fully-collateralised loan, so i submitted it to a specialist film financing bank, which came in with a much lower price. We are now working to get that loan facility in place. Again, it's slightly complex for the Dutch but as far as film financing transactions go, it's very straightforward. 
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Jan 7, 2020 14:07
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Franchescanado posted:Previous GenChat I mean, he's no Skimbleshanks (the railway cat) (the cat of the railway train)
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Jan 7, 2020 14:09
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Mister Mistofelees is as clever as they get! Voted 5. Went hog wild.
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Jan 7, 2020 14:14
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Tangents posted:I mean, he's no Skimbleshanks (the railway cat) (the cat of the railway train) Skimbleshanks confused me, because he's the only cat who wears pants, and he wears them prominently. Skimbleshanks broke my friend, because all of the cats started wearing shoes during his song.
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Jan 7, 2020 14:15
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I found Les Mis unwatchable so I’m glad to see the world accept my obviously correct view of Tom Hooper.
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Jan 7, 2020 14:19
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therattle posted:I found Les Mis unwatchable so I’m glad to see the world accept my obviously correct view of Tom Hooper. Cats is karmic balance being restored to the universe after The King’s Speech stole The Social Network’s rightful Best Picture award.
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Jan 7, 2020 14:41
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If you don’t support Gus the Theater Cat as Fee Fi Fiddle Fo Fee for the Jellicle Choice then you can get the gently caress out of my face. You utter asswipe. I can’t believe you’d choose anyone else, you worthless piece of poo poo.
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Jan 7, 2020 14:50
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Franchescanado posted:Skimbleshanks confused me, because he's the only cat who wears pants, and he wears them prominently. Skimbleshanks broke my friend, because all of the cats started wearing shoes during his song. Well how could a cat tap dance without shoes on? That just doesn't make sense fran.
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Jan 7, 2020 14:52
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I'd like to report that Sunshine (2007) is still ace.
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Jan 7, 2020 15:16
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therattle posted:I found Les Mis unwatchable so I’m glad to see the world accept my obviously correct view of Tom Hooper. Arc of the universe is long but bends towards justice, etc.
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Jan 7, 2020 15:20
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Krazyface posted:I'd like to report that Sunshine (2007) is still ace. Its one of my favorite scifi flicks and I actually find the point where it turns into a bit of a slasher really great, which seems to be most peoples issue with it. Its got a really nice sense of existential dread mixed with "hard" scifi. The panel repair sequence, the airlock jump sequence and the final fall into the sun sequence are all fantastic. I particularly love the shot of Michelle Yeohs body holding the tiny green plant in the burned out greenhouse. Great cast and the soundtracks owns.
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Jan 7, 2020 15:32
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Why can't you call it The Miserables?
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Jan 7, 2020 15:56
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I could watch an entire movie about Skimbleshanks.
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Jan 7, 2020 16:07
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Fran, can we get the stats for the last GenChat thread? Those are always fun.
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Jan 7, 2020 16:14
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TrixRabbi posted:Fran, can we get the stats for the last GenChat thread? Those are always fun. 37,707 posts  32 Title Changes in 12 months. Thread Rating: 14 Votes for 5 Star (six of which were lurkers and not persons who actually posted, which is pretty funny) 13 Votes for 2 Star 8 Votes for 1 Star Total votes 40, average rating 3.02 Posting rate: Roughly 72 pages of posts a month, which is a little faster/popular than previous year(s) Franchescanado fucked around with this message at 16:32 on Jan 7, 2020 |
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Jan 7, 2020 16:19
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The most disappointing part of Cats is that we didn't get to see Skimbleshanks do a full tap dance fight routine when the freed cats throw Growltiger into the Thames. You see him do some menacing tapping and then the scene is basically over.
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Jan 7, 2020 16:19
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therattle posted:I found Les Mis unwatchable so I’m glad to see the world accept my obviously correct view of Tom Hooper. Les Mis isn't the worst time I've ever had in a theater (The Producers--the Broderick one--or Terminator Salvation or maybe Extract would probably take that crown), but hoo boy, I knew I was in for two and a half hours of pain as soon as Russell Crowe started "singing." Sounded more like a bear defending its young. Hooper is a war criminal.
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Jan 7, 2020 16:40
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The singing in CATS is quite rough to be honest, I'm sure this is a choice on Hooper's part but it doesn't quite work.
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Jan 7, 2020 16:57
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Blue Ruin is a lot sillier than the popular reception would let on.
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Jan 7, 2020 16:59
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Of the Saulnier I've seen Blue Ruin is the most Just Okay. Green Room is a masterpiece and Murder Party is an underrated delight. edit: He needs to make a film with Red in the title to complete the trilogy.
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Jan 7, 2020 17:02
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:The singing in CATS is quite rough to be honest, I'm sure this is a choice on Hooper's part but it doesn't quite work. Yeah, it's really lovely. And the sound mixing is crazy bad. Most of the lyrics are indecipherable. Jason Derulo's performance is outright terrible. He quietly whisper-sings, making it all feel restrained. Melodically, the original song is a simple catchy earworm, but the result in Hooper's film, it feels like 1/4 of a finished song, with the back-up vocals being the most fully realized. Was Rum Tum Tugger inspired by Prince? The whole time I just kept thinking he was supposed to be Prince, and how strange and wonderful that would be. Nothing against Derulo, but it felt like they originally wanted Bruno Mars doing his Prince pastiche to be Rum Tum Tugger, and just had Derulo do a quieter version of that.
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Jan 7, 2020 17:05
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Supposedly Rum Tum is based on Mick Jagger, but the performance in the 98 taping and the original Broadway recording have so much Prince in them that I assume ALW only didn't name drop him to avoid getting sued.
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Jan 7, 2020 17:10
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Franchescanado posted:Yeah, it's really lovely. And the sound mixing is crazy bad. Most of the lyrics are indecipherable. I wonder if Hooper did the same dipshit thing on Cats as he did with Les Mis, insisting on all the singing being captured live on-set as the cameras are rolling, as opposed to having the actors lip-sync to recordings they had already done in a studio.
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Jan 7, 2020 17:14
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Jason Derulo’s best moment was the capital-S Singing he did during Magical Mr. Mistoffelees. Just visibly going for those really high notes while everyone else was trying to sing normally. Rum Tum Tugger’s slap bass kept getting to me. So did the weird EDM break in the opening song.
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Jan 7, 2020 17:14
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Did the “fixed” cut of Cats sent to theaters change the fact that you can’t even hear Jennifer Hudson singing over the rest of Memories?
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Jan 7, 2020 17:17
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Krazyface posted:I'd like to report that Sunshine (2007) is still ace. I think Ad Astra makes a nice companion piece, but I think I'm one of the few here that liked it.
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Jan 7, 2020 17:19
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Top 5!Anonymous Robot posted:Blue Ruin is a lot sillier than the popular reception would let on. Yeah it’s got a traight up comedy concept (guy who’s awful at revenge tries to take revenge) but mostly plays it straight. Kinda like Ad Astra.
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Jan 7, 2020 17:21
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DeRulo was godawful, no wonder he wanted everyone to be distracted by his cock. Even Reb and James Corden weren't that bad, cast to type at least. I hope it doesn't hurt Francesca Hayward too badly, I suppose.Timby posted:I wonder if Hooper did the same dipshit thing on Cats as he did with Les Mis, insisting on all the singing being captured live on-set as the cameras are rolling, as opposed to having the actors lip-sync to recordings they had already done in a studio. This is almost certainly what happened, when you can barely hear Jennifer Hudson you know something went wrong.
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Jan 7, 2020 17:22
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X-Ray Pecs posted:Jason Derulo’s best moment was the capital-S Singing he did during Magical Mr. Mistoffelees. Just visibly going for those really high notes while everyone else was trying to sing normally. Oh, the weird atonal synth bass drops that happened every so often were legitimately awesome, and fueled the horror of the film in an impressive way. It reminded me of an 80's Italian horror film.
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Jan 7, 2020 17:28
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Coffee And Pie posted:Top 5! I could buy a lot of his foibles and cockups in a more serious picture, they feel very real to me. It’s the looney toons racist killer family with guns strapped to their chaise lounge that sends it over the top.
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Jan 7, 2020 17:30
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Well this is already off to a cursed start
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Jan 7, 2020 17:33
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Franchescanado posted:Oh, the weird atonal synth bass drops that happened every so often were legitimately awesome, and fueled the horror of the film in an impressive way. It reminded me of an 80's Italian horror film. I’m pretty sure those are from the recorded Broadway performance, they sounded really familiar.
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Jan 7, 2020 17:34
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X-Ray Pecs posted:I’m pretty sure those are from the recorded Broadway performance, they sounded really familiar. They're legit cool, and I wish there was more sinister atonal drops throughout.
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Jan 7, 2020 17:37
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There is no greater musical than The Nightman Cometh
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Jan 7, 2020 17:41
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The moment when Macavity first appeared without his coat was genuinely shocking, it looked like Idris Elba was completely naked. It also didn’t help he was doing the Mac face from The Nightman Cometh.
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Jan 7, 2020 17:43
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X-Ray Pecs posted:The moment when Macavity first appeared without his coat was genuinely shocking, it looked like Idris Elba was completely naked. It also didn’t help he was doing the Mac face from The Nightman Cometh. He was going for gasps
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Jan 7, 2020 17:44
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I forget, doesn't the dude in Blue Ruin just like fall asleep at one point while he's waiting for the Evil Family to get back and almost gently caress it all up because of that?
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Jan 7, 2020 17:53
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:DeRulo was godawful, no wonder he wanted everyone to be distracted by his cock. Even Reb and James Corden weren't that bad, cast to type at least. I hope it doesn't hurt Francesca Hayward too badly, I suppose. This being her Hollywood debut is just so strange and sad. Kept picturing the "This is the girl" scene from Mulholland Drive except Tom Hooper being sat down to cast Francesca Hayward.
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Jan 7, 2020 18:00
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TrixRabbi posted:This being her Hollywood debut is just so strange and sad. Kept picturing the "This is the girl" scene from Mulholland Drive except Tom Hooper being sat down to cast Francesca Hayward. She's in a terrible movie, and her character is an almost-silent audience surrogate whom most of the catsmembers want to seduce*, and I didn't understand any of the lyrics of her song, but I still walked away thinking she did her best and would like to see her in a better role. *I kept thinking of the "beautiful white fur!" line from Meet The Feebles
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Jan 7, 2020 18:10
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