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Halloween Jack posted:Christ on a spike, I absolutely loathe it. I guess this is part of the new canon, then? This is that horrible Dungeons & Dragons logic making its way into Star Wars again--where Good and Evil are literally types of particle. So you have absurd situations where you can make an inanimate object full of Goodness, and then an Evil person can use a Good battleaxe to murder a Good person. I blame Bioware.
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YaketySass posted:As the complaints about the prequels expanded a particular kind of liberal commentary developped on the franchise, trying to pin what was wrong with that particular setting.
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Jan 7, 2020 18:51
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Did stoner culture grow out from hippie poo poo or what is it? Im only partially familiar with it, but what little i’ve seen is pretty bad
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Jan 7, 2020 18:54
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People keep harping on about the plot, but the actual narrative problems with TLJ begin when FN says “where’s Ray?!”, and the film immediately cuts to a woman in Ireland trying to deliver a metal cylinder. You have some notion of what a laser sword is because of cultural osmosis, but TLJ does not establish what the shiny tube stands for in the context of its narrative. It doesn’t even establish what the tube is in plot terms, although the porgs staring down the end reads like it’s meant to be a gun safety joke. Is it a gun? So this blank object is there for you to project all your feelings onto it. As with the metal cylinder, the movie called The Last Jedi never actually shows what a Jedi is. Rey is searching for the Jedi Order, according to the dialogue, and you fill in the blanks with your preconceptions.
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ruddiger posted:Pg 420 smoke Star Wars all day. are these technically canon
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Jan 7, 2020 18:56
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Not until Disney sells them. Check your local regulations to be sure that the Sio Bubbler is canon in your state.
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:People keep harping on about the plot, but the actual narrative problems with TLJ begin when FN says “where’s Ray?!”, and the film immediately cuts to a woman in Ireland trying to deliver a metal cylinder. Every star war should start with the narrator from Lost saying "previously on Star Wars" before explaining the plot to you.
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Jan 7, 2020 19:06
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Sinteres posted:Every star war should start with the narrator from Lost saying "previously on Star Wars" before explaining the plot to you. The issue is precisely that TLJ is presented as an episode of a television series. A recap isn’t particularly necessary to understand any of Lucas’ films. As a contrast, see A New Hope. Luke is handed a weird metal tube, and he immediately activates it. A blade extends from the tube, and Luke swings it around like a sword. This immediately conveys that the object is some kind of swordlike thing. Although A New Hope is nominally the fourth episode of Star Wars, its particular narrative is entirely self-contained.
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Jan 7, 2020 19:18
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When Vader boards the Tantive IV and says "There'll be no one to stop up THIS time!!!" Uh, who stopped you last time dude?
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Jan 7, 2020 19:25
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Presumably the Senate before they were dissolved.
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Jan 7, 2020 19:29
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Killing Palpatine was good but as leader of the Senate he appointed like 14000 circuit judges in his last month, those are lifetime appointments
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One of my ideas for alternate villains would have been old Jedi, probably frozen in cryostasis somewhere, returning and finding out that the Republic betrayed them and killed them all. So they decide that clearly the Galaxy cannot rule itself and needs enlightened Jedi rule and decide to take over. They manage to convince a bunch of Luke's students and so you have conflict within the new Jedi order as well. I might run that as a Tabletop Campaign one of thse days. My own Episodes VII-IX.
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Jan 7, 2020 20:26
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feedmyleg posted:Most people who hated George Lucas for the prequels are probably doing a bit of a re-evaluation on their opinion of him at this point. im rewatching the prequels now. finished menace last night. its not as bad as i remember but its absolutely colored by the ST. for all the prequels faults (and there are a loving ton) they at least feel like star wars. the sequels feel like marvel films. ewan mcgregor and liam neeson are both really good in menace. the kid who plays anakin is so, so bad. natalie portman is just kinda there. i hate to say it but jar jars looney toones action has grown on me. hes so loving weird and goofy
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Angry Salami posted:I just found out they killed Nien Numb off-screen! gently caress THESE MOVIES! Seriously? The guy that had been rebelling for 45 years solid, no recognition, and they even kill him off screen. LOL
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Wait, nien numb was piloting the tantive at the final battle and got blown up? Was any of that shown at all lmao
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MonsieurChoc posted:One of my ideas for alternate villains would have been old Jedi, probably frozen in cryostasis somewhere, returning and finding out that the Republic betrayed them and killed them all. So they decide that clearly the Galaxy cannot rule itself and needs enlightened Jedi rule and decide to take over. They manage to convince a bunch of Luke's students and so you have conflict within the new Jedi order as well. Wasn't there an EU novel where Luke went to some Jedi temple and found an old Jedi Master there who'd been hanging out there for the entire rise and fall of the Empire and had gone crazy from the solitude?
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Basebf555 posted:Wasn't there an EU novel where Luke went to some Jedi temple and found an old Jedi Master there who'd been hanging out there for the entire rise and fall of the Empire and had gone crazy from the solitude? Probably.
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Ammanas posted:the kid who plays anakin is so, so bad. Reminder that this kid auditioned: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZSnB7yGylc (2:58 if the time doesn't embed) The other finalist was pretty solid, too.
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Jan 7, 2020 20:44
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Ammanas posted:im rewatching the prequels now. finished menace last night. its not as bad as i remember but its absolutely colored by the ST. for all the prequels faults (and there are a loving ton) they at least feel like star wars. the sequels feel like marvel films. Phantom Menace also looks pretty good due to being shot on film as opposed to "before we figure out how to do this correctly digital" Attack of the Clones. Some of the CG still has CG "aging" but still looks relatively ok and there are some gorgeous shots in it. And the score is every bit as good as the OT scores and is one of Williams' best. I tried to give AOTC a chance, but it's just so drat ugly. Everything is lit so flatly (again, didn't figure out digital yet) and everything looks like it's going on on a flat plane; the greenscreen work is just so not good there (again, just figuring out how to do fully greenscreened environments back then). ROTS at least is helped by 3 years worth of improvements in both.
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Iirc didn’t the spoilers actually have Palps directly possessing people back and forth At least that didn’t happen
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John Wick of Dogs posted:When Vader boards the Tantive IV and says "There'll be no one to stop up THIS time!!!" C3PO sez “there’ll be no escape for the princess this time,” earlier in the scene. Leia’s been using bureaucratic loopholes like her diplomatic immunity to gently caress with the Emperor for years. (Leia and Vader even act as though they’ve personally met eachother before). But now Vader knows that the Senate is gone, and Leia must answer directly to regional governor Tarkin. Leia’s ignorance of the fact that the Senate isn’t there to back her up is why the Rebels are losing at the start of ESB. The Rebels may have destroyed the Death Star, but Palpatine has already eliminated the main source of their funding. (Politics don’t belong in Star Wars btw. A New Hope is NON-CANON.)
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i just watched aotc last night and it was really cool! yeah the highlights look like poo poo cause of the digital cameras, and the compositing is really rough in places, but it had a lot of good poo poo in it. i was honestly surprised and i like that everyone acts like weird lizard people or characters in a play, it gives it a good vibe
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Zas posted:i just watched aotc last night and it was really cool! yeah the highlights look like poo poo cause of the digital cameras, and the compositing is really rough in places, but it had a lot of good poo poo in it. i was honestly surprised Its my favorite SW by far and I think the second best after ESB. It’s amazing.
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feedmyleg posted:Reminder that this kid auditioned: Nah the other two are acting too hard imo, Lloyd is more naturalistic and how a kid actually sounds. The others are acting like brooding teens
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Jan 7, 2020 21:11
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i will say, two of the scenes that didn't work for me in aotc were when characters died in another characters arms, padme's decoy and then anakin's mom, the stageyness of it just kinda killed it for me
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Jan 7, 2020 21:24
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That’s fair. It’s not a naturalistic aesthetic at all which isn’t common anymore
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:So, David Fincher was correct to say “Star Wars [is] the story of two slaves who go from owner to owner, witnessing their masters’ folly - the ultimate folly of man.” My god star wars is Call of the Wild
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feedmyleg posted:Most people who hated George Lucas for the prequels are probably doing a bit of a re-evaluation on their opinion of him at this point. No they are still poo poo, just in a different way than these movies.
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Mulva posted:No they are still poo poo, just in a different way than these movies. Bingo. I think it's fair to go back and say they aren't actually the worst movies ever made or whatever stupid hyperbole people lifted directly from RLM, but new movies being bad doesn't mean other bad movies are suddenly good. I get that some people genuinely like them, but that's true of every bad movie. FWIW I think the prequels were in a basically unwinnable situation because even more than people having an idea in their heads of what Star Wars means that has transcended the movies themselves, Darth Vader is even more of a meme as the ultimate badass, so any treatment of young Darth Vader was obviously going to fail to live up to that. Dr Kool-AIDS fucked around with this message at 21:47 on Jan 7, 2020 |
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Jan 7, 2020 21:45
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I agree that the sequels being bad isn't what makes the prequels good.
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:...Snoke was, all along, an organic droid. SuperMechagodzilla posted:Leia’s been using bureaucratic loopholes like her diplomatic immunity to gently caress with the Emperor for years...Leia’s ignorance of the fact that the Senate isn’t there to back her up is why the Rebels are losing at the start of ESB. The Rebels may have destroyed the Death Star, but Palpatine has already eliminated the main source of their funding. I think the Clone Wars series in particular is an underrated achievement. I went in expecting to hate it, and found that it preserved the stylistic influences and moral questions from Lucas' original, which is my main grievance against the idea of Star Wars as a franchise. It has some weak stories over six seasons, and some narrative mistakes--there's a Padawan arc that's just Harry Potter, and some Force Ghost nonsense. But it's mostly concerned with the Jedi and the slave-soldiers on both sides.
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:Moreso than even the Clone Troopers, who were at least raised from infancy, Snoke is an organic machine. But Snoke is evidently ‘a droid who can ‘think’ and therefore endeavours to eliminate humanity. (Pop Quiz: can you name the other Star Wars character to wears only gold, and sits on a throne as god-king?) This plays really well with the weird red hand C3P0 had in TFA.
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I accidentally closed the narrative hole in Star Wars. Found the missing piece. I'm sorry. Palpatine had a family. The Jedi came and took his force sensitive son when he was a toddler. Palpatine had hidden his own abilities from them but didn't think they would come for his son. After they took him he began his revenge plot. He would destroy the Jedi. Destroy the Republic and find all of their heroes and take their own children from them for his own cult. A perfect revenge. That child's name was Obi-Wan Ken Palpatine. He never saw him again.
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John Wick of Dogs posted:Nah the other two are acting too hard imo, Lloyd is more naturalistic and how a kid actually sounds. The others are acting like brooding teens Doesn't matter whoever of the kids auditioned better, what matters more imo is that Anakin should've never have been that young to start the story anyways.
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Jan 7, 2020 22:12
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Ferrinus posted:This plays really well with the weird red hand C3P0 had in TFA. It still baffles me that he shows up at the end of that movie with his golden arm back.
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Zoran posted:It still baffles me that he shows up at the end of that movie with his golden arm back.
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John Wick of Dogs posted:I accidentally closed the narrative hole in Star Wars. Found the missing piece. I'm sorry. gently caress it get pablo on the horn
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feedmyleg posted:I read some of those comics. They were very bad. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNss5RWD6mY
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I like Cad Bane, even if his name is stupid. Amazing voice, great design, entertaining villain.
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