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Been seeing these on Adam Koford's Twitter. This one seemed politicalish?
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Jan 11, 2020 09:21
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Kit Walker posted:How is it that all the conservative cartoonists seem to have the absolute worst takes on every single topic? You’d think even a gimme like “son of the Queen wants to spend less time dealing with lovely journos” which doesn’t need any commentary beyond “cool” would be something they could manage, but no The conservative cartoonists are (or work with and are friends with) the lovely journos. And they haven't forgiven Harry for marrying someone's who's foreign and part-black.
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Jan 11, 2020 09:30
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Eulogistics posted:I mean, the Emperor was actually a superbeing, he didn't just claim to be one. He was a genius scientist, politician and general, and he wanted humanity to be the very best it could be by discarding all the old superstitions and following his leadership. He actively didn't want people worshipping him like a god; one of the great ironies of the Imperium in 40k is that it's everything that Emperor didn't want it to be. He just...wasn't a very good father to his sons sometimes. This is an understatement. The entirety of the Horus Heresy is about the Emperor creating 20 flawless demi-gods in his image and half of them fall to evil because of various petty, but very human, reasons all stemming from the Emperor's own very human flaw of being a bad father.
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Jan 11, 2020 09:38
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Neo_Crimson posted:This is an understatement. The entirety of the Horus Heresy is about the Emperor creating 20 flawless demi-gods in his image and half of them fall to evil because of various petty, but very human, reasons all stemming from the Emperor's own very human flaw of being a bad father. Besides that isn't the Emperor pretty terrible himself in that he doesn't believe in peaceful coexistence with the various Xenos? Weren't those wars before the Horus Heresy basically crusades?
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Jan 11, 2020 09:44
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The Horus Heresy books are filled with examples where the empire encounters intelligent non-belligerent races but then the narrative makes up a misunderstanding so the emperium can genocide them in semi-good conscience. The Chaos gods also draws power from worship so the emperor kept humanity and his primarchs wholly ignorant of them to lessen their power. Which meant the chaos gods could then catch the primarchs unprepared. I think Tzeentch pretended to be some rando low level demon that Magnus then "defeated" and demanded power from. Tzeentch then scrambled his poo poo as Magus willingly accepted his gift while Magus assumed he got it no-strings-attached. Katt fucked around with this message at 12:25 on Jan 11, 2020 |
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Jan 11, 2020 10:00
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I prefer the Horsey Heresy myself.
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Jan 11, 2020 12:15
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Jan 11, 2020 12:40
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TheDeadlyShoe posted:I prefer the Horsey Heresy myself.
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Jan 11, 2020 14:54
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OptimusShr posted:One important thing to note is that the Imperium of Man is higly xenophobic and thinks the only good non human race is a dead non human race. I thought they were OK with the Squats?
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Jan 11, 2020 15:21
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Jedit posted:I thought they were OK with the Squats? Humans that mutated into separate "abhuman" races either through science or planetary climate are accepted in the Imperium.
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Jan 11, 2020 15:33
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The Imperium is also ridiculously hypocritical, telling people to fear and report mutants while using mutants like Ogryn in their military operations. And honestly, Space Marines are heavily altered during their “training” that what the hell are they if not mutants?
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Jan 11, 2020 16:04
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Katt posted:Humans that mutated into separate "abhuman" races either through science or planetary climate are accepted in the Imperium. Eeeeh... And squats wernt abhumans, they were a separate species I thought
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Jan 11, 2020 16:05
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BrotherJayne posted:Eeeeh... Squat wiki page says they're abhumans in like the second line. They were humans who lived on a planet with powerful gravity forces that made them short and stocky. Ogryn and Ratlings are also accepted. Ratlings are also canon unlike squats! 
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Jan 11, 2020 16:13
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Katt posted:
I'm not too engaged with the fiction of 40k but my understanding is that some of the authors play it a little more straight, like this: 
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Jan 11, 2020 16:13
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BrotherJayne posted:Eeeeh... Humans genetically modified to live comfortably on high-gravity worlds that lost contact with the rest of mankind for awhile when everything hit the fan because space elves hate-hosed a god of excess pleasure into existence, if I remember correctly. Also, the setting also had a seperate empire of humanity that got around the whole "Chaos gods will gently caress you over 14 ways from Sunday" thing by educating their population on the Chaos Gods, the dangers associated with the Chaos Gods, how to exist safely without risking drawing the attention of the Chaos Gods, and in general treated the Chaos Gods as we deal with STDs, through education and protection. And then the Imperium of Man did their best impersonation of bible thumpers in the states and wiped out the civilization.
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Jan 11, 2020 16:13
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Randalor posted:Humans genetically modified to live comfortably on high-gravity worlds that lost contact with the rest of mankind for awhile when everything hit the fan because space elves hate-hosed a god of excess pleasure into existence, if I remember correctly. I'm not even convinced that education is the solution. Finding out that Satan is real and gets your soul when you die regardless. But that through service in life you can buy yourself a comfortable afterlive or even eternal life (though one in conflict) is probably not the best way to keep down heresy.
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Jan 11, 2020 16:18
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Pants Donkey posted:The Imperium is also ridiculously hypocritical, telling people to fear and report mutants while using mutants like Ogryn in their military operations. And honestly, Space Marines are heavily altered during their “training” that what the hell are they if not mutants? people should fear the imperium's military units, and report any rogue unit wandering away from their barracks, so it's not hypocritical The biggest problem of the WH40K setting is that the extremely fascist dystopian empire is kind of the least bad faction around, what with the rest being literal demons, chaos-corrupted decadent space melniboneans, Alien-style xenomorphs, immortal undead robots driven only by the desire to extinguish all life, and spore orks. So there's this whole setup where the fanatical military dictatorship is justified as being necessary for humankind's survival. Is it a surprise that it appeals to chuds? Well there's the Tau who look better than the rest, not actively genocidal at least, but it's implied they're just more subtle about their subjugation method.
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Jan 11, 2020 16:49
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You can tell that all the 40k factions are the worst because there's no Blood Bowl 40k. No room for a timeline where they play ball.
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Jan 11, 2020 17:03
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wizzardstaff posted:I'm not too engaged with the fiction of 40k but my understanding is that some of the authors play it a little more straight, like this: I once saw a guy get disqualified from a tournament because he tried to field an Imperial Guard army that had poo poo like swastikas and the German eagle painted on the tanks and banners. He acted like a whiny little bitch when they told him to piss off. E: This was around 95, at the height of Neo-Nazism in Scandinavia.
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Jan 11, 2020 17:14
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gently caress Nazis. And now, back to political cartoons I think?
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Jan 11, 2020 17:18
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We just had a programming discussion, I thought we were limited to one nerd derail per week max
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Jan 11, 2020 17:19
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Well, while were at it. JoJo's Bizarre Adventure. That is all.
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Jan 11, 2020 17:26
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BrotherJayne posted:gently caress Nazis.  eh? eh? eh? Bet you're feeling silly now stupid Euros for not joining in on this Iraq planting so you could harvest some of that sweet sweet Iraq war corn.
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Jan 11, 2020 17:27
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Katt posted:
What exactly is the corn supposed to symbolize anyway?
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Jan 11, 2020 17:33
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Jan 11, 2020 17:34
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Space Cadet Omoly posted:What exactly is the corn supposed to symbolize anyway? I asked the author and he said he doesn't remember. I can only assume a prosperous Iraq democracy at the head of a peaceful and grateful middle east. Showering the US in favorable trade deals and oil.
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Jan 11, 2020 17:39
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Katt posted:I asked the author and he said he doesn't remember. gently caress, that made me guffaw loud enough to wake the wife. "Doesn't remember" Well, the war itself is old enough to be drafted, so I guess a little forgetting is reasonable poo poo, that's funnier than the cartoons could hope to be xD Edit: could we maybe discuss not posting prickly city except when they actually say so etching? Reading those is legit bad for my health BrotherJayne fucked around with this message at 17:44 on Jan 11, 2020 |
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Jan 11, 2020 17:42
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Katt posted:I asked the author and he said he doesn't remember. Did he at least show some sign of embarrassment?
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Jan 11, 2020 17:49
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I thought the normal Eldar, as in not the Slaanesh cultist Eldar raiders, were kind of isolationist dicks but at least not fascists...though GW made the Tau brainwashing cultists so it could just be everything sucks and is grim dark.. E-sorry for re-starting a derail that was over and done with...gently caress An insane mind fucked around with this message at 17:58 on Jan 11, 2020 |
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Jan 11, 2020 17:55
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Stultus Maximus posted:Did he at least show some sign of embarrassment? Doesn't Cagle draw both lefty and righty cartoons because he doesn't care about ideology, he just wants to sell toons?
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Jan 11, 2020 18:06
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An insane mind posted:I thought the normal Eldar, as in not the Slaanesh cultist Eldar raiders, were kind of isolationist dicks but at least not fascists...though GW made the Tau brainwashing cultists so it could just be everything sucks and is grim dark.. Everyone but the Tau is supposed to be in decline and I chose to believe it's because they're the only ones focused on a greater good. E: the only fluff I read was the core book and a hint of some codicies a few editions back. Mainly I thought the tanks were cool but everyone I played with seemed too into the space Nazis so I kinda dropped it. HootTheOwl fucked around with this message at 18:10 on Jan 11, 2020 |
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Jan 11, 2020 18:08
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HootTheOwl posted:Everyone but the Tau is supposed to be in decline and I chose to believe it's because they're the only ones focused on a greater good. The Orks are on the rise, and the Great Rift is actually a massive strategic weakness for the Forces of Chaos. Surrounded now on all sides by a resurgent Imperium and a very pissed off Ghazzy, I'd say that the future actually looks bright if the Girlyman continues to ascend. Heck, Big E might even wake. WAIT NO. CARTOONS. FEED ME A STRAY CAT
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Jan 11, 2020 18:12
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BrotherJayne posted:The Orks are on the rise, and the Great Rift is actually a massive strategic weakness for the Forces of Chaos. Surrounded now on all sides by a resurgent Imperium and a very pissed off Ghazzy, I'd say that the future actually looks bright if the Girlyman continues to ascend. 
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Jan 11, 2020 18:13
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Selachian posted:Doesn't Cagle draw both lefty and righty cartoons because he doesn't care about ideology, he just wants to sell toons? Cagle is pretty consistently anti-Trump from what I've seen. Sometimes from a neocon point of view, sometimes from a liberal point of view.
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Jan 11, 2020 18:14
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 Guardian:  "Martin Rowson on Harry, Meghan and the Iran crisis – The Duke and Duchess of Sussex’s decision to step back from public life has provoked vitriolic attacks on the couple and hyperbolic predictions of what it could mean for the monarchy" Telegraph:  Independent:  After Arcimboldo. The i paper:  Times:  Mail: PAUL THOMAS on... The Queen's fallout with Prince Harry  Stephen Collins: 
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Jan 11, 2020 18:14
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Katt posted:
Isn't it slightly less poo poo for the Orkz, who are objectively the heroes of the story by the metric of being the least bigoted assholes? Zanzibar Ham posted:You can tell that all the 40k factions are the worst because there's no Blood Bowl 40k. No room for a timeline where they play ball. This is also correct. Praise Nuffle. Mercedes Colomar fucked around with this message at 18:31 on Jan 11, 2020 |
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Jan 11, 2020 18:27
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Manuel Calavera posted:Isn't it slightly less poo poo for the Orkz, who are objectively the heroes of the story by the metric of being the least bigoted assholes? Orkz are happy because all they want to do is fight and kill.
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Jan 11, 2020 18:34
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Hunt11 posted:Orkz are happy because all they want to do is fight and kill. Eldar philosopher Uthan the Perverse posted:The Orks are the pinnacle of creation. For them, the great struggle is won. They have evolved a society which knows no stress or angst. Who are we to judge them? We Eldar who have failed, or the Humans, on the road to ruin in their turn? And why? Because we sought answers to questions that an Ork wouldn't even bother to ask! We see a culture that is strong and despise it as crude.
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