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MikeCrotch posted:One thing with nuclear power is that if you are an environmentalist who believes in decarbonising as much as possible by 2025-2030 nuclear power plants just take so long to build they don't really help, so you would be better off with renewables and reducing demand (or so the argument goes). There's no good reason for your timeframe to be that short. If we needed to decarbonize by then we'd be screwed anyway since it takes so long for CO2 to come out of the atmosphere. Anyway there's absolutely no way anyone is going to decarbonize in five years, that's absurd, whether or not nuclear power is involved. Mortabis fucked around with this message at 02:11 on Jan 13, 2020 |
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Captain Log posted:Is there any good reason for countries like Germany abandoning nuclear power? Oh is it just people overreacting? I thought cleanly done nuclear power was better for the environment than many things. But I know dick all about any of this stuff. It ultimately boils down to if you trust the same kind of people who joke about fooling the government regulators* in charge of making sure people don't die with the ability to make nuclear-grade fuckups or not. A lot of people have chosen "not." *Boeing 737 MAX. Articles all over but here's https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/09/business/boeing-737-messages.html EDIT: but discussions about whether nuclear power is a good idea or not are (a) basically religious and (b) better for the Energy Generation thread, where they are used to the derails.
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Wingnut Ninja posted:Was it the Cutlass that has such awful engines that one returning to base with an engine failure was once told to wait because there were two other jets, also with engine failure, in the pattern in front of him? I remember it was one of those early 50's jets like the Cutlass or the Demon. Believe that was the Cutlass, yes. Demon was a single, so engine failure would be a... more substantial issue. edit: as originally projected, the F7U-3 was supposed to have 7,000 lbs. of thrust from each engine and 10,000 on afterburner; the actual production engines delivered only 4,800 dry / 6500 afterburning. StandardVC10 fucked around with this message at 02:15 on Jan 13, 2020 |
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ulmont posted:It ultimately boils down to if you trust the same kind of people who joke about fooling the government regulators* in charge of making sure people don't die with the ability to make nuclear-grade fuckups or not. A lot of people have chosen "not." Do you trust those same people to run coal ash dumps? edit: I was in Germany when Fukishima went down. Things got so stupid, so fast.
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Cyrano4747 posted:Do you trust those same people to run coal ash dumps? I was speaking for Germans there (note the impersonal nature of the question). Personally, no, but I think there's less possible damage from a coal ash dump than a nuclear power plant. The trends seem to be in favor of solar + wind + other renewables as a medium to long term strategy, and strongly against any new construction of nuclear, so while I wouldn't bother shutting down any existing nuclear power plants I don't think building any new ones is a good idea. *Look at the history of Vogtle in Georgia near South Carolina. It's impossible to build a new nuclear plant in the US.
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Captain Log posted:Is there any good reason for countries like Germany abandoning nuclear power? Oh is it just people overreacting? I thought cleanly done nuclear power was better for the environment than many things. But I know dick all about any of this stuff. Nuclear's a scary word! Scary words are evil! That means nuclear power is evil! That's pretty much it - just unjustified panic.
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Cyrano4747 posted:Do you trust those same people to run coal ash dumps? Tell us about it. I was in Germany right after we invaded Iraq. That was weird, because every single German thought all Americans were rabidly pro war, which I was not. (Specifically, the Iraq Invasion/Occupation part)
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ulmont posted:I was speaking for Germans there (note the impersonal nature of the question). Solar and wind are not practical sources of baseload power. Nuclear power is. Nuclear accidents are extremely uncommon and have caused very few casualties.
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Captain Log posted:Is there any good reason for countries like Germany abandoning nuclear power? Because of Helmut Coal. Also they figure that NATO nuclear sharing is enough too get them a seat at the Big Boys' table, so why bother investing money in maintaining their own nuclear expertise?
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AlexanderCA posted:Should the old thread be Goldmined or something? Yes it should, Cyrano can probably make that happen. Also, while it didn't get the 5* average it deserved, it came so close to the next best thing. 
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Cat Mattress posted:Because of Helmut Coal. Lol. I love this, thank you.
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While I'm all for nuclear power (fossil fuel extraction directly kills ten times more in a year than nuke plants ever have, not counting pollution) Westinghouse bankrupted itself building four new nuke plants in the American South. That's not encouraging. Would be interesting to pop over to the energy generation thread and ask why that happened. Anyway to keep it Cold War, my vote for dumbest Cold War aircraft would also be the Thunderscreech.
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Speaking of Britain, who did that long effortpost on how Cold War era Britain pissed away its empire through arrogance and incompetence?
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Arglebargle III posted:Speaking of Britain, who did that long effortpost on how Cold War era Britain pissed away its empire through arrogance and incompetence? I think that may have been in one of the Milhist threads?
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Memento posted:
That might be my fault, I just voted it 5 when I posted that question. 
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Somebody Awful posted:Also, make sure to read the end notes and citations and take any statement that cites Grigori Medvedev with a large grain of sand and boron, especially if it's a dramatic scene. Medvedev invented a bunch of bullshit to sex up his own account of Chernobyl, published relatively soon after the event, and subsequent authors have been largely content to repeat his lies even when they're flatly contradicted by the testimony of pretty much everyone who was actually there and lived to tell about it. Nobody had heated arguments in the control room. Nobody went into the reactor hall and saw channel caps bouncing up and down. Nobody, so far as has been credibly determined, got close enough to actually see the destroyed reactor and report back. Really? His account is the main one I've read, and I bought it specifically because I assumed someone who was on site so soon after the event, and had previous experience with the plant, would have a good and interesting perspective. I'd certainly like to add something else to my reading list if he's unreliable.
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Here are some missiles doing missile things. AIM-9X https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YMSfg26YSQ THAAD shooting an MRBM dropped out of a C-17: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYr6hYVpxxw Saudi F-15 intercepts of Houthi drones: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNpr24uLr-g&t=32s The missile rides low, because it knows it doesn't ride high https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_LjN3UclYzU B-1Bs are kind of missiles? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kfp-G4NWyJs
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MRC48B posted:We should make an AIRPOWER/90s thread, where we can talk about stuff like: "We should go back to Iraq and finish the job!" "The USMC's new AAAV is going to revolutionize amphibious warfare!"
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U.S. FIRST STRIKE USSR FIRST STRIKE NATO / WARSAW PACT FAR EAST STRATEGY US USSR ESCALATION MIDDLE EAST WAR USSR CHINA ATTACK INDIA PAKISTAN WAR MEDITERRANEAN WAR HONGKONG VARIANT SEATO DECAPITATING CUBAN PROVOCATION ATLANTIC HEAVY CUBAN PARAMILITARY NICARAGUAN PREEMPTIVE PACIFIC TERRITORIAL BURMESE THEATERWIDE TURKISH DECOY ANGENTINA ESCALATION ICELAND MAXIMUM ARABIAN THEATERWIDE U.S. SUBVERSION AUSTRALIAN MANEUVER SUDAN SURPRISE NATO TERRITORIAL ZAIRE ALLIANCE ICELAND INCIDENT ENGLISH ESCALATION MIDDLE EAST HEAVY MEXICAN TAKEOVER CHAD ALERT SAUDI MANEUVER AFRICAN TERRITORIAL ETHIOPIAN ESCALATION TURKISH HEAVY NATO INCURSION U.S. DEFENSE CAMBODIAN HEAVY PACT MEDIUM ARCTIC MINIMAL MEXICAN DOMESTIC TAIWAN THEATERWIDE PACIFIC MANEUVER PORTUGAL REVOLUTION ALBANIAN DECOY PALESTINIAN LOCAL MOROCCAN MINIMAL BAVARIAN DIVERSITY CZECH OPTION FRENCH ALLIANCE ARABIAN CLANDESTINE GABON REBELLION NORTHERN MAXIMUM DANISH PARAMILITARY SEATO TAKEOVER HAWAIIAN ESCALATION IRANIAN MANEUVER NATO CONTAINMENT SWISS INCIDENT CUBAN MINIMAL CHAD ALERT ICELAND ESCALATION VIETNAMESE RETALIATIO SYRIAN PROVOCATION LIBYAN LOCAL GABON TAKEOVER ROMANIAN WAR MIDDLE EAST OFFENSIVE DENMARK MASSIVE CHILE CONFRONTATION S.AFRICAN SUBVERSION USSR ALERT NICARAGUAN THRUST GREENLAND DOMESTIC ICELAND HEAVY KENYA OPTION PACIFIC DEFENSE UGANDA MAXIMUM THAI SUBVERSION ROMANIAN STRIKE PAKISTAN SOVEREIGNTY AFGHAN MISDIRECTION ETHIOPIAN LOCAL ITALIAN TAKEOVER VIETNAMESE INCIDENT ENGLISH PREEMPTIVE DENMARK ALTERNATE THAI CONFRONTATION TAIWAN SURPRISE BRAZILIAN STRIKE VENEZUELA SUDDEN MAYLASIAN ALERT ISREAL DISCRETIONARY LIBYAN ACTION PALISTINIAN TACTICAL NATO ALTERNATE CYPRESS MANEUVER EGYPT MISDIRECTION BANGLADESH THRUST KENYA DEFENSE BANGLADESH CONTAINMENT VIETNAMESE STRIKE ALBANIAN CONTAINMENT GABON SURPRISE IRAQ SOVEREIGNTY VIETNAMESE SUDDEN LEBANON INTERDICTION TAIWAN DOMESTIC ALGERIAN SOVEREIGNTY ARABIAN STRIKE ATLANTIC SUDDEN MONGOLIAN THRUST POLISH DECOY ALASKAN DISCRETIONARY CANADIAN THRUST ARABIAN LIGHT S.AFRICAN DOMESTIC TUNISIAN INCIDENT MALAYSIAN MANEUVER JAMAICA DECOY MALAYSIAN MINIMAL RUSSIAN SOVEREIGNTY CHAD OPTION BANGLADESH WAR BURMESE CONTAINMENT ASIAN THEATERWIDE BULGARIAN CLANDESTINE GREENLAND INCURSION EGYPT SURGICAL CZECH HEAVY TAIWAN CONFRONTATION GREENLAND MAXIMUM UGANDA OFFENSIVE CASPIAN DEFENSE OP is off to a good start.
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MikeCrotch posted:One thing with nuclear power is that if you are an environmentalist who believes in decarbonising as much as possible by 2025-2030 nuclear power plants just take so long to build they don't really help, so you would be better off with renewables and reducing demand (or so the argument goes). India is going all in on thorium reactors and expects to start having them go online starting 2025 and China will follow soon after. 2.3 billion people abandoning coal as a power source is a drat good start. Fully embracing electric vehicles in major markets around the same time will help. Now if we could plant a few billion trees and do something about microplastics as well, we might survive.
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The only way to win any of those games is not to play.
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Nicaraguan thirst sounds like a short lived Gatorade flavor.
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The most obscure strain names at a really weird dispensary.
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Wingnut Ninja posted:Airpowers. I cant see an E2C with that antenna and not think “dunce cap”.
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mlmp08 posted:Here are some missiles doing missile things. Request: that ABM point defense missile that launched via explosive and went so fast that was radiant with plasma
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CHAD ALERT WOOP WOOP CHAD ALERT POP COLLAR WOOP WOOP POP COLLAR WOOP WOOP
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Nebakenezzer posted:Request: that ABM point defense missile that launched via explosive and went so fast that was radiant with plasma https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvZGaMt7UgQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=msXtgTVMcuA
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Vavrek posted:I assumed someone who was on site so soon after the event, and had previous experience with the plant, would have a good and interesting perspective. Medvedev oversold his qualifications. He worked at Chernobyl during the plant's construction in the early 1970s, but left before it came online and never had hands-on operational experience there. Unfortunately a lot of good material is still stranded behind the RU-EN language barrier. Some very dedicated people have been working to find and translate original documents, including Dyatlov's memoirs and the testimony compiled by Shcherbak and Karpan. You can find bits and pieces on r/Chernobyl, but I don't think anyone's put it all together in one coherent narrative yet.
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CarForumPoster posted:I cant see an E2C with that antenna and not think “dunce cap”. CAEWWS's advanced employment course is called TOP DOME 
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SERVICE GUARANTEES https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62zu9CQj2_I
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Mortabis posted:Solar and wind are not practical sources of baseload power. Nuclear power is. Nuclear accidents are extremely uncommon and have caused very few casualties. baseload power isn't what you think it is. it's the minimum demand on the system required to keep large power plants economical to operate, not the minimum required supply. https://www.abc.net.au/news/science/2017-10-12/renewable-energy-baseload-power/9033336 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Base_load
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AlexanderCA posted:Should the old thread be Goldmined or something? Sure. Report a post in it or make a QCS thread or something so I remember.
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