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That Works
Jul 22, 2006

Every revolution evaporates and leaves behind only the slime of a new bureaucracy


My 1st stretch of graduate research was on using microbes to help lock up soluble uranium salts into soil by rendering them insoluble. Basically the bacteria can reduce oxidized uranium salts. Reduced uranium is not really water soluble.

Why do this?

http://projects.wsj.com/waste-lands/site/423-shiprock-mill-site/

quote:

"The Shiprock site is the location of a former uranium- and vanadium-ore-processing facility within the Navajo Nation in the northwest corner of New Mexico near the town of Shiprock, approximately 28 miles west of Farmington," according to a Department of Energy fact sheet. "Kerr-McGee built the mill and operated the facility from 1954 until 1963. Vanadium Corporation of America purchased the mill and operated it until it closed in 1968. The milling operations created process- related wastes and radioactive tailings, a predominantly sandy material."

"In 1983, the [DOE] and the Navajo Nation entered into an agreement for site cleanup," according to the document. "By September 1986, all tailings and associated materials (including contaminated materials from offsite vicinity properties) were encapsulated in the disposal cell built on top of the existing tailings piles."

Except the whole disposal cell slowly leaches out water soluble radioactive material into the groundwater which goes into the nearby river to the reservation. So, maybe we can use bacteria growing in that ground to tie up the radioactive material and keep it tied up in the ground instead of spreading into the water. Neat idea.

From working on this stuff for a year or so I met a lot of people dealing with nuclear waste and the inevitable conversations about Hanford.

Talking with them, Hanford is just loving hell on earth.

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Dante80
Mar 23, 2015

I have had Hanford described like that too, from some colleagues of my uncle (I have two living in the US, the one I'm writing about used to work in a NPP there - IPEC).
I wonder how would anyone begin to describe something like Mayak.

Dante80 fucked around with this message at 20:09 on Jan 13, 2020

Cyrano4747
Sep 25, 2006

Yes, I know I'm old, get off my fucking lawn so I can yell at these clouds.

Dante80 posted:

I have had Hanford described like that too, from some colleagues of my uncle (I have two living in the US, the one I'm writing about used to work in a NPP there).
I wonder how would anyone begin to describe something like Mayak.

I don't think there are word in the English language for that.

I mean that very literally. It seems like the sort of thing that only the most nihilistic of Russian idioms could convey.

tangy yet delightful
Sep 13, 2005



Cyrano4747 posted:

I don't think there are word in the English language for that.

I mean that very literally. It seems like the sort of thing that only the most nihilistic of Russian idioms could convey.

Come on, you've lived in Germany and know German. They HAVE to have a 30 letter long word for this also.

Dante80
Mar 23, 2015

Btw...one of my uncles' colleagues I was talking about described Hanford something like the "Aristocrats joke equivalent of nuclear sites". I remember that vividly, since I had no idea what the joke was about, and I even ended up downloading a movie about it - the joke, that is. :v:

aphid_licker
Jan 7, 2009


tangy yet delightful posted:

Come on, you've lived in Germany and know German. They HAVE to have a 30 letter long word for this also.

We usually just default to "Scheiße"

feedmegin
Jul 30, 2008

Cat Mattress posted:

Because of Helmut Coal.

Also they figure that NATO nuclear sharing is enough too get them a seat at the Big Boys' table, so why bother investing money in maintaining their own nuclear expertise?

I feel like 'how to build a civilian nuclear power plant' and 'how to build a modern nuclear bomb' are slightly different areas of expertise even if they both have 'nuclear' in the name.

ThisIsJohnWayne
Feb 23, 2007
Ooo! Look at me! NO DON'T LOOK AT ME!



Cyrano4747 posted:

I don't think there are word in the English language for that.

I mean that very literally. It seems like the sort of thing that only the most nihilistic of Russian idioms could convey.

I think I've heard the term "the Devil's war zone" someplace, feels it should be Russian

wheres my beer
Apr 29, 2004


Tryin' to catch me ridin' dirty
Fun Shoe

tangy yet delightful posted:

In 2017 I saw the USS Intrepid in NYC, here's some photos I took (I'll probably post one half tonight the other tomorrow). Galaxy S8 photography, sorry in advance.

Concorde (G-BOAD), such a sleek aircraft to see in person






F-16, looks so clean without all the new sensor pods and fuel tanks



A-12, the predecessor to the Blackbird



F-14 Super Tomcat





A-6E Intruder, perhaps the cutest thing with wings to kill people



What are your thoughts on the museum? Its reasonably close to my company's office in NYC so Id like to pay it a visit next time I'm in town.

BIG HEADLINE
Jun 13, 2006

"Stand back, Ottawan ruffian, or face my lumens!"

LingcodKilla posted:

If the US Navy can keep our ancient carriers from melting down then I don’t see the big deal with reactors liberally sprinkled all over the US. If you don’t like then you must hate are sailors since they be the ones most likely working on them once they get out.

We might be able to keep them from melting down, but if the Enterprise is any indication, we don't really know what to do with them once it's time to get rid of them.

At least with the CVs the biggest hazard was clearing out all the absestos before towing them out to sea for a SINKEX.

Miso Beno posted:

What are your thoughts on the museum? Its reasonably close to my company's office in NYC so Id like to pay it a visit next time I'm in town.

I've visited Intrepid twice now. Once in the late 80s and once right before Christmas in 2018. I was less impressed the second time around because so little (save for the Enterprise Pavilion on the fantail) had changed since said late-80s visit - which ironically is something that also bums me out about the A&S in DC. I was far more :swoon: about the USS Growler tied up on the other side of the pier, since it was kinda cool to see what would've been a no-poo poo *suicide submarine* if it'd ever been called on to do its job. They also open up the Concorde for tours, but you have to time your visit right.

Other than that, check to see if there's a discounted Groupon rather than pay full price.

BIG HEADLINE fucked around with this message at 22:51 on Jan 13, 2020

Somebody Awful
Nov 27, 2011

BORN TO DIE
HAIG IS A FUCK
Kill Em All 1917
I am trench man
410,757,864,530 SHELLS FIRED


US expels 21 Saudi military trainees for having jihadist material and child porn. :thunk:

Saint Celestine
Dec 17, 2008

Lay a fire within your soul and another between your hands, and let both be your weapons.
For one is faith and the other is victory and neither may ever be put out.

- Saint Sabbat, Lessons
Grimey Drawer
Where was the origin of "Its the first two lines of their hymn" from again? From the last thread...

wheres my beer
Apr 29, 2004


Tryin' to catch me ridin' dirty
Fun Shoe

BIG HEADLINE posted:


I've visited Intrepid twice now. Once in the late 80s and once right before Christmas in 2018. I was less impressed the second time around because so little (save for the Enterprise Pavilion on the fantail) had changed since said late-80s visit - which ironically is something that also bums me out about the A&S in DC. I was far more :swoon: about the USS Growler tied up on the other side of the pier, since it was kinda cool to see what would've been a no-poo poo *suicide submarine* if it'd ever been called on to do its job. They also open up the Concorde for tours, but you have to time your visit right.

Other than that, check to see if there's a discounted Groupon rather than pay full price.

oh good call on the Groupon, and I can take or leave the concord tour since I've done the one at the [url=]Museum of Flight[/url] in Washington, although it would be cool to say I've been inside half of the concords outside of Europe. :quagmire:

BIG HEADLINE
Jun 13, 2006

"Stand back, Ottawan ruffian, or face my lumens!"

Saint Celestine posted:

Where was the origin of "Its the first two lines of their hymn" from again? From the last thread...

It was a post about the Marines and something about not getting involved in foreign entanglements. And someone replied that the first two lines of the Marine hymn are about the Marines getting the US involved in foreign wars.

@Miso: Intrepid is also cool from an "old warship" perspective. You can actually go up into the conning tower/CIC (but you can't touch anything since it's all walled off by lucite) and walk out to one of the gun emplacements on the starboard side.

BIG HEADLINE fucked around with this message at 23:11 on Jan 13, 2020

Cyrano4747
Sep 25, 2006

Yes, I know I'm old, get off my fucking lawn so I can yell at these clouds.

BIG HEADLINE posted:

I was less impressed the second time around because so little (save for the Enterprise Pavilion on the fantail) had changed since said late-80s visit - which ironically is something that also bums me out about the A&S in DC.

You've been to Udvar Hazy, right?

Also Air & Space just started a big overhaul. Should be done in a few years. Still open but some exhibits are closed while they work on them.

BIG HEADLINE
Jun 13, 2006

"Stand back, Ottawan ruffian, or face my lumens!"

Cyrano4747 posted:

You've been to Udvar Hazy, right?

Also Air & Space just started a big overhaul. Should be done in a few years. Still open but some exhibits are closed while they work on them.

Yeah, I've been to Udvar-Hazy a few times, and it's about goddamned time for the DC museum to get a refresh.

Kesper North
Nov 3, 2011

EMERGENCY POWER TO PARTY

BIG HEADLINE posted:

It was a post about the Marines and something about not getting involved in foreign entanglements. And someone replied that the first two lines of the Marine hymn are about the Marines getting the US involved in foreign wars.

Specifically "From the halls of Montezuma / To the shores of Tripoli" just at a point where the US was looking at escalating in Libya and maybe doing regime change in Venezuela.

Wingnut Ninja
Jan 11, 2003

Mostly Harmless
More airpowers as I go through my various poorly organized picture directories. These seem to be a mix of the Palmdale air park and the San Diego Air & Space museum.











The Palmdale airpark is wild. You can just walk right up underneath the shuttle carrier 747 and the B-52.

Cat Mattress
Jul 14, 2012

by Cyrano4747

feedmegin posted:

I feel like 'how to build a civilian nuclear power plant' and 'how to build a modern nuclear bomb' are slightly different areas of expertise even if they both have 'nuclear' in the name.

How do you build up and maintain a military nuclear sector without having a civilian nuclear sector? (And, inversely, without military nuclear potential, allowing to harness the power of the defense industry lobby, there was no way you could push a civilian nuclear program past the fossil fuel lobbies, who hate any sort of non-fossil-fuel competition. That was definitely true in the Cold War era, at least.)

With a robust civilian nuclear sector, you can be a nuclear breakout state, like Japan. You have something that lets you train nuclear engineers and nuclear physicists, and a good way to generate and stockpile plutonium. Being a breakout state is useful, it gives you some amount of deterrence but without having to break the NPT or spend too much on it. Germany is a nuclear breakout state, but will not remain one for long.

BIG HEADLINE
Jun 13, 2006

"Stand back, Ottawan ruffian, or face my lumens!"

Wingnut Ninja posted:

The Palmdale airpark is wild. You can just walk right up underneath the shuttle carrier 747 and the B-52.

Might want to be a bit wary of the shadier spots near the gear, or at least walk with heavy steps. Probably less of a concern in the cooler/colder months, though.

Don't forget about the Convair 990 gate guardian up at Mojave, too. And Baracoa in Palmdale serves a baller Cuban sandwich...at least, way damned better than anything I can get in/around DC.

BIG HEADLINE fucked around with this message at 23:19 on Jan 13, 2020

feedmegin
Jul 30, 2008

Cat Mattress posted:

How do you build up and maintain a military nuclear sector without having a civilian nuclear sector? (And, inversely, without military nuclear potential, allowing to harness the power of the defense industry lobby, there was no way you could push a civilian nuclear program past the fossil fuel lobbies, who hate any sort of non-fossil-fuel competition. That was definitely true in the Cold War era, at least.)

With a robust civilian nuclear sector, you can be a nuclear breakout state, like Japan. You have something that lets you train nuclear engineers and nuclear physicists, and a good way to generate and stockpile plutonium. Being a breakout state is useful, it gives you some amount of deterrence but without having to break the NPT or spend too much on it. Germany is a nuclear breakout state, but will not remain one for long.

Sure, but saying the reason that Germany doesnt like nuclear reactors is that it cant be arsed to spend the money so it can make nuclear weapons at short notice, presupposes that would be the main reason Germany might otherwise want nuclear reactors. It isn't. Its not like Cold War Germany specifically needed nuclear deterrence anyway - if World War 3 happens both Germanies are getting carpetted in tactical nukes in any case, which come to think of it combined with the experience of 1945 might have something to do with the general dislike of nukes there.

mlmp08
Jul 11, 2004

Prepare for my priapic projectile's exalted penetration
Nap Ghost
Some Training/Period videos:

Ejection Decision - A second Too Late! (1981)
"Amazingly, though the impact broke his spine, that's not what killed him. He burned to death in the fireball."

"Passed through our spin-chute altitude at 22,000 feet. I deployed the spin-chute as briefed, and the spin-chute came off in the maneuver. Now things were not going as expected."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aa1Ba_NEobs

FLAK!
Good breakdown of German AAA systems and survivability maneuvers.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PIYVwqHM488

This is pre-WWII, but I link it because it is a masterclass of how to make a training video get somewhat complex mechanics across to a layperson. Hotlinked beyond the hook, because if you're clicking this link, you probably don't need fancy motorcycle displays to get your attention:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYAw79386WI&t=110s

Aggressor F-16s knocking out F-14s in training:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3MKnR3BzSRY

Captain von Trapp
Jan 23, 2006

I don't like it, and I'm sorry I ever had anything to do with it.

Kesper North posted:

Specifically "From the halls of Montezuma / To the shores of Tripoli" just at a point where the US was looking at escalating in Libya and maybe doing regime change in Venezuela.

It's have to find the original post, but I believe someone was arguing that the Marines aktchually are all about some specific kind of amphibious support in peer wars and not historically about kicking in the doors of third world shi developing nations. The song was then pointed out, ending that argument.

MrYenko
Jun 18, 2012

#2 isn't ALWAYS bad...

BIG HEADLINE posted:

We might be able to keep them from melting down, but if the Enterprise is any indication, we don't really know what to do with them once it's time to get rid of them.

Triton decommissioned in 1969, and didn’t finish recycling until 2009. Scrapping nuclear vessels is complicated.

(Considering the nightmare that is scrapping conventional vessels in the US, I can’t even begin to imagine what being the Enterprise recycling project manager is like.)

C.M. Kruger
Oct 28, 2013
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AnJ_68ol14E

bloops
Dec 31, 2010

Thanks Ape Pussy!

Wingnut Ninja posted:

More airpowers as I go through my various poorly organized picture directories. These seem to be a mix of the Palmdale air park and the San Diego Air & Space museum.











The Palmdale airpark is wild. You can just walk right up underneath the shuttle carrier 747 and the B-52.

Yea the F-4 shot is San Diego.

Wingnut Ninja
Jan 11, 2003

Mostly Harmless

MrYenko posted:

(Considering the nightmare that is scrapping conventional vessels in the US, I can’t even begin to imagine what being the Enterprise recycling project manager is like.)

I dunno, sounds like a pretty solid lifetime gig.

MrYenko
Jun 18, 2012

#2 isn't ALWAYS bad...

Wingnut Ninja posted:

I dunno, sounds like a pretty solid lifetime gig.

Fair point.

joat mon
Oct 15, 2009

I am the master of my lamp;
I am the captain of my tub.

Saint Celestine posted:

Where was the origin of "Its the first two lines of their hymn" from again? From the last thread...

vains posted:

...we don't maintain a marine corps to hassle tin pot dictators or third rate powers.

hobbesmaster posted:

It's literally the first two lines of their hymn.

Problematic Soup
Feb 18, 2007

My soup has malfunctioned?



bloops posted:

Yea the F-4 shot is San Diego.

It’s Duke Cunningham’s F-4, too.

McNally
Sep 13, 2007

Ask me about Proposition 305


Do you like muskets?

Problematic Soup posted:

It’s Duke Cunningham’s F-4, too.

Wow, disgraced congressman and convicted felon Duke Cunningham?!

Kesper North
Nov 3, 2011

EMERGENCY POWER TO PARTY


Rudolph the red-nosed recon drone! (Yes, I know that's just a cover.)

Arglebargle III
Feb 21, 2006


I'm sure we're all shocked at the behavior of our humble and stalwart allies.

drgitlin
Jul 25, 2003
luv 2 get custom titles from a forum that goes into revolt when its told to stop using a bad word.

BIG HEADLINE posted:

which ironically is something that also bums me out about the A&S in DC.

NASM is undergoing a massive renovation. They discovered that the building itself is in bad shape because it was built on the cheap, but they’re using that as an excuse to finally modernize. For the last decade or so all the attention was firmly on the annex out by Dulles.

Shortly before they closed the first galleries, we were at a reception there and I got a good laugh about a series of displays explaining how airplanes would soon be designed using things called computers, using “software” called CADCAM.

Wingnut Ninja
Jan 11, 2003

Mostly Harmless

Problematic Soup posted:

It’s Duke Cunningham’s F-4, too.

And it's posed so that it's chasing a MiG through the atrium of the museum.



It's really a museum that needs like two or three times the building size, they have a ton of cool planes that are just jam packed on top of each other.

drgitlin
Jul 25, 2003
luv 2 get custom titles from a forum that goes into revolt when its told to stop using a bad word.
Is the A-12 outside still in such an appalling state?

Problematic Soup
Feb 18, 2007

My soup has malfunctioned?



McNally posted:

Wow, disgraced congressman and convicted felon Duke Cunningham?!

Lol, yup. I hope that got added to the plaque in front of the F-4. Haven’t been there in years.

Mr Luxury Yacht
Apr 16, 2012


So I'm making a mod for grog game Armored Brigade. Basically, I'm making factions that are the equivalent of the regular standard Cold War countries, but if their respective defense departments had been huffing even more lead paint than they did in real life and instead procured every single weird boondoggle (think T95s and MBT-70s instead of M60s and M1s, etc...).

Anyway, I've been finishing up the US-equivalent and in looking for fun alternatives I've just discovered that for some reason, Russian wikipedia has way, way more information on bizarre US prototype weapons and the programs leading up to them than English wikipedia. Like, who is this one Russian who has extremely strong opinions on the idea that Ford Aerospace's entry should have won the AAWS-M competition? Because based on the edit log it's one guy and he spent a good month writing every little detail of the procurement process and why Ford should have got it.

Nebakenezzer
Sep 13, 2005

The Mote in God's Eye

SlowBloke posted:

The op is missing "When the wind blows" in the list of movies that will make you depressed to death :arghfist::smith:

Is that the senior citizen animated atomic death feature? I couldn't remember its name - I thought it was "The Wind Rises" which, spoiler alert, is wrong

While I was busy I saw this: you know how dash-8s from Bombardier will solve all of Canada's military problems? I was shocked to discover spy plane dash-8s exist, and the US military uses them. The shock comes mainly because Canada just bought similar spyplanes from the US.

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priznat
Jul 7, 2009

Let's get drunk and kiss each other all night.

Nebakenezzer posted:

Is that the senior citizen animated atomic death feature? I couldn't remember its name - I thought it was "The Wind Rises" which, spoiler alert, is wrong

Made me think of this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1S5pAF1YYA

A much lighter take on the apocalypse

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