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Do we actually have any idea which scenes will be potentially added (starting ep 8 I believe)?
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Jan 9, 2020 01:59
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cergos posted:Do we actually have any idea which scenes will be potentially added (starting ep 8 I believe)? o Rem feigning her death after the whale is slain, leading to a confession under the flugel tree. I doubt this considering arc 4. o Puck revealing to Juice while freezing him that he was made by Echidna. o Subaru seeking Beatrice's help before the last fight with Betelgeuse. o It's been 3 years I'll try and think of what else.
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Jan 9, 2020 02:26
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I would guess: the stuff that got removed from the the other candidates that relates to world background, the stuff about Al and some more about Betelguese's true nature. Also I'm pretty sure the cliffhanger was already confirmed to be back in.
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Jan 9, 2020 02:37
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i watched the first two eps of the rerelease yesterday and I'm rediscovering my hate of subaru it seems. however, it's not just subaru that bothers me, it's the whole cast i don't know what it is about the first season that chafes me, but it does. on paper, it sounds like a show and setting that I should like, but then I watch and i find subaru grating, i find the rest of the cast to be grating and not particularly believable, etc. i'm gonna watch through the rest of the season 1 rerelease and see if season 2 does anything for me, but i'm not very hopeful. i've read spoilers, and the story sounds insteresting when reduced to a summary, but like I said, season 1 just bugs me
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Jan 13, 2020 12:20
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on episodes 1 & 2, what bothers me about subaru is how he keeps acting like a jackass after dying like 4 times. i can stand the "i'm in an isekai and this is like my rpgs wow" style behavior at first, but after getting stabbed and dying (and realizing that's what's happening) you'd think he'd have toned it down a lot, but at the end of episode two he's still doing this bullshit. the contrast of subaru being goony as gently caress with a story where the main character dies at the drop of a hat is I guess what really grates on me. it feels like the show keeps veering between dark as gently caress and lighthearted, and the refusal to stick with one or the other is probably what's bugging me
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Jan 13, 2020 12:32
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Your time is your own, but if after committing more than an hour and a half to a piece of media not only are you not enjoying it, but also actively disliking it, maybe the best thing to do would be to just cut your loses.
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Jan 13, 2020 12:35
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Conspiratiorist posted:Your time is your own, but if after committing more than an hour and a half to a piece of media you not only aren't enjoying it, but also actively disliking it, maybe the best thing to do would be to just cut your loses. yeah i know. the reason i keep trying is cause when you reduce the plot down to abstracts, there's an interesting story there that I should like. cause of that I keep trying to give it chances, but it might just be the case that this isn't a show for me.
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Jan 13, 2020 12:38
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Condiv posted:yeah i know. the reason i keep trying is cause when you reduce the plot down to abstracts, there's an interesting story there that I should like. cause of that I keep trying to give it chances, but it might just be the case that this isn't a show for me. Subaru is intentionally something of a subversion of the safe generic anime protagonist archetype, and the story is very character-driven, so if you find Subaru grating, and dislike the clash between him trying to live out his fantasy slice-of-life tale only to have to contend with the horrors thrown his way, then things probably just won't work for you. What I'll say, though, is that a significant part of why his behavior comes off as disjointed during the first arc is that initially he doesn't have accurate recollection of events preceding his death loops. In fact, it's possible the first time we the audience see him die, is not actually the first time he dies during the loop - what we follow is his continuity of consciousness for the first time he starts remembering. Conspiratiorist fucked around with this message at 13:01 on Jan 13, 2020 |
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Jan 13, 2020 12:55
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eh I think a lot of people dislike subaru for most of this show. not liking the rest of the cast is the big problem
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Jan 13, 2020 15:54
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I like Subaru. He's a huge dork but he's lovable when his dorkiness is harmless and gets shut the gently caress down when it gets out of line which forces him to learn from it. Rem's devotion to him may be a bit wish fulfillmenty but he does go through hell for it. The only time he was annoying to me when he wasn't supposed to be was in the first couple episodes where it takes him way too long to figure out he's in a time loop. Despite his dorkiness my fiance is joining me for the rewatch. It's her first time through and she hates isekai bullshit so we'll see how she feels about it by the end. I only meant to put it on in the background while I played Pokemon but I ended up watching it sincerely because it's been years since my first watch and I adore the show. Cipher Pol 9 fucked around with this message at 17:36 on Jan 13, 2020 |
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Jan 13, 2020 17:30
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Condiv posted:on episodes 1 & 2, what bothers me about subaru is how he keeps acting like a jackass after dying like 4 times. i can stand the "i'm in an isekai and this is like my rpgs wow" style behavior at first, but after getting stabbed and dying (and realizing that's what's happening) you'd think he'd have toned it down a lot, but at the end of episode two he's still doing this bullshit. I feel like Subaru's behavior is actually pretty well explained. My controversial Re:Zero opinion is that Rem is actually pretty lame. She's not bad or anything, but the fanbase seems to think she's the most amazing thing ever for some reason. Emilia is also pretty lame for the first three arcs, but is still more interesting on the whole than Rem (though Emilia is even worse than Rem as a romance, even if she's pretty good as a character). Both romances are pretty bad, with the romance angles being the only aspect of this series I really dislike (it's the only aspect where Re:Zero kinda gets into "typical isekai/anime" territory). Most of the rest of the cast is good.
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Jan 13, 2020 21:11
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Yeah you aren't supposed to like subaru, you are generally supposed to be interested in the world and the mystery and the characters subaru meets. To be clear, the show wants you to think he's an overconfident jackass in over his head. Your reading isn't wrong. But yeah do what you want. I think you really need to get through the first 2 arcs and the act 1 of arc 3 to really reap the rewards of a lot of the early characterization.
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Jan 13, 2020 21:28
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Ytlaya posted:I feel like Subaru's behavior is actually pretty well explained. 
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Jan 13, 2020 22:25
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Emilia is good because she takes a stand against all the traditional anime protagonist waifu pedestal bullshit so it's all good
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Jan 14, 2020 01:16
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Eej posted:Emilia is good because she takes a stand against all the traditional anime protagonist waifu pedestal bullshit so it's all good  Toalpaz posted:But yeah do what you want. I think you really need to get through the first 2 arcs and the act 1 of arc 3 to really reap the rewards of a lot of the early characterization.
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I like Subaru, warts and all. He's by no means a perfect person, but he's a good kid at heart and the story is all about him confronting his mistakes and growing from them. Return By Death is even the ultimate guilt plot device - every time a loop closes, he alone knows he could've done better. While everyone praises him as a hero, he alone knows that not only did he cheat, but that things could've turned out better had he tried harder.Ytlaya posted:I feel like Subaru's behavior is actually pretty well explained. I think the romances are pretty believable in how straightforward they are. To me it feels that media has sort of conditioned audiences in regards to their expectations of what a good romance looks like, which is mainly tied to inter-character chemistry, when the truth is that people are irrational creatures that get together sometimes just because, and bonds build from there through shared experience. Subaru develops an instant-crush on Emilia because she's a cutie that's totally his type, who helps him out when he's lost all alone, and the stresses of their situation turns it into a near obsession before he actually tries to address her as a person, and by then he's committed. Rem has her entire world absolutely rocked by this mysterious stranger, who she knows only accidentally managed to reach through to her and allow her to start unpacking a decade of pent up guilt, and she's smart and perceptive enough to know he's got his issues, but she doesn't care. You could argue that hero worship isn't a good or healthy starting point for a romance (and Subaru would agree), but Rem really doesn't care. She's going for it. Subaru's response is rejection, and even then she doesn't care. She's overwhelming. And for Emilia, she's young and Subaru is essentially the only boy her age in her life, who is nice to her and she finds fun and clever and courageous (if foolhardy), but even then she only very hesitantly considers returning his obvious affections - not because she dislikes him, but because of her circumstances combined being understandably wary of his and the effect she feels she has on him.
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Conspiratiorist posted:I like Subaru, warts and all. He's by no means a perfect person, but he's a good kid at heart and the story is all about him confronting his mistakes and growing from them. Return By Death is even the ultimate guilt plot device - every time a loop closes, he alone knows he could've done better. While everyone praises him as a hero, he alone knows that not only did he cheat, but that things could've turned out better had he tried harder. 
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Jan 14, 2020 03:08
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Grouchio posted:You're really gonna like season 2 then. I've read arc 4 (it's why I like Emilia more as a character*). I'm looking forward to seeing a bunch of stuff animated. Arc 4 is super good. * though Arc 4 actually makes me like her less as a romance - a lot of Emilia's behavior suddenly makes a lot more sense once you realize that she's a 14 year old (I think that's her mental age) in the body of an 18 year old, but it also makes Subaru romancing her kinda messed up (even though he obviously had no way of knowing that when he first met her). Conspiratiorist posted:I think the romances are pretty believable in how straightforward they are. To me it feels that media has sort of conditioned audiences in regards to their expectations of what a good romance looks like, which is mainly tied to inter-character chemistry, when the truth is that people are irrational creatures that get together sometimes just because, and bonds build from there through shared experience. Rem having feelings for Subaru makes perfect sense and is entirely believable, but in general I personally dislike romances that are founded upon someone being some sort of savior figure. And while you can argue "but Rem actually does the fighting and sorta 'saved' Subaru in some fashion through her words" that still has no bearing on what made her develop feelings. My personal preference for fictional romances are ones where the romance forms as a result of the characters having genuine social chemistry and shared interests, rather than there being specific events that motivated them to fall in love. A good example (from a romance with a male protagonist) is the romance in "Ookami shounen wa kyou mo uso wo kasaneru" (this is much more common in manga/manhwa with female protagonists).
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Jan 14, 2020 03:25
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Conspiratiorist posted:Subaru's response is rejection, and even then she doesn't care. She's overwhelming. Also it reminds me too much of the 'unwanted harem' setup that I am thoroughly sick of after experiencing Ranma 1/2, Tenchi Muyo! and Love Hina.
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Jan 14, 2020 04:26
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EponymousMrYar posted:This is my beef with Rem and her relationship. This sort of one-sided devotion isn't healthy and typically ends poorly for everyone involved. Suffice to say, I'm going to enjoooooy all the enooooormous salt and ruuuuude awakening from those goons when the new season kicks off. 
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EponymousMrYar posted:This is my beef with Rem and her relationship. This sort of one-sided devotion isn't healthy and typically ends poorly for everyone involved. Drama is rarely about healthy relationships.
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EponymousMrYar posted:This is my beef with Rem and her relationship. This sort of one-sided devotion isn't healthy and typically ends poorly for everyone involved. Oh, it's very much not healthy at all, but it's acknowledged as such in-universe and by the people involved rather than just given a complete pass, so I give it points for that, as well for the fact that it does lead to a relatable ongoing relationship conflict between Emilia and Subaru that's realistically impossible to resolve. At the same time I find myself rooting for Rem. She's been through a lot, and now she's finally trying to pursue happiness for herself - perhaps not in the best way, or with the best candidate, but Subaru is still a good boy who's able to understand her and deal with her eccentricities (the opposite also being true), so if they had met each other in better circumstances they'd inarguably be a pretty good match. The IF stories even show that they work things out and the result is so saccharine it's a borderline diabetic risk. Also, unsurprisingly, they're pretty bad parents. With how much effort she puts in, I think it's hard not to feel for her. ED: IIRC Nagatsuki once said that had Subaru not been isekai'd, his parents would've eventually strong-armed him back to school, where he'd have hooked up with and eventually married an underclassman with a personality much like Rem's. Conspiratiorist fucked around with this message at 05:07 on Jan 14, 2020 |
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Jan 14, 2020 05:01
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Conspiratiorist posted:It does lead to a relatable ongoing relationship conflict between Emilia and Subaru that's realistically impossible to resolve.
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Jan 14, 2020 05:05
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Best Girl Satella wins in the end.
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Grouchio posted:
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Conspiratiorist posted:Oh, it's very much not healthy at all, but it's acknowledged as such in-universe and by the people involved rather than just given a complete pass, so I give it points for that, as well for the fact that it does lead to a relatable ongoing relationship conflict between Emilia and Subaru that's realistically impossible to resolve. I feel like the best result for Rem (and honestly also Emilia) is just getting to live a normal-ish life where they actually have the opportunity to meet other people. Both are in situations where they effectively don't have any other options - Emilia because the world hates her appearance (which conveniently is completely normal and fine to our protagonist, so from her perspective he's literally "the only person who would have her") and Rem because she was a live-in maid with low self-esteem who is now unhealthily emotionally bound to Subaru. The only actually compelling Subaru pair-up is Subaru x Julius.
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Jan 14, 2020 19:20
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Toalpaz posted:Yeah you aren't supposed to like subaru, you are generally supposed to be interested in the world and the mystery and the characters subaru meets. To be clear, the show wants you to think he's an overconfident jackass in over his head. Your reading isn't wrong. i feel like I could like that stuff if subaru wasn't there annoying the poo poo out of me constantly. I'm probably gonna try to stick through it till early season 2 cause some of the plot points mentioned seem interesting, and hopefully subaru changes at least a little and becomes less annoying to me
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The end of season one felt conclusive, but Subaru's character arc isn't nearly complete. And for those interested the only additions in director's cut episode 3 would be elongated shots.
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Jan 15, 2020 21:46
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I finished the first season recently through watching the dub on Crunchyroll. I had it on in the background some of the time so I might have missed this, but does it ever explain, in that season or potentially a later one, why Emilia gives Subaru the witch’s name as hers the first time they met? Also I liked the show, but I never really thought Subaru’s character made sense. Why was this shut in the most personable and friendly person in the world?
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Jan 15, 2020 22:03
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She gives him the name satella as a test of how he would react, since she's used to being shunned for looking like the jealous witch and this guy is behaving as if he has no idea she bears that resemblance. I always read it as her going "maybe he just hasn't noticed, and as soon as he does he's going to get mad at me, better just spell it out for him and rip that bandaid while I'm still prepared for it" and Subaru's response to emilia saying "my name is adolf hitler" was a straight faced "nice to meet you Adolf! I hope we can become good friends"
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Jan 15, 2020 22:16
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Ethiser posted:I finished the first season recently through watching the dub on Crunchyroll. I had it on in the background some of the time so I might have missed this, but does it ever explain, in that season or potentially a later one, why Emilia gives Subaru the witch’s name as hers the first time they met? An explanation could be as a further test: Unlike everyone else in the world he does not shun her for looking like the witch, and if he does not react to the witch's name he must either be fearless or really not know about her.
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Jan 15, 2020 22:18
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Alternatively considering how she and everyone reacts to him after the first loop, there was some capital-S Shenanigans going on. (I'm pretty sure she told him her name was Satella in a public place and there was no reaction from the crowd.) I haven't read the LN but IIRC in the Anime it's left ambiguous.
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Jan 16, 2020 00:25
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I would not be surprised if it was just the witch loving around with things.
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EponymousMrYar posted:Alternatively considering how she and everyone reacts to him after the first loop, there was some capital-S Shenanigans going on. (I'm pretty sure she told him her name was Satella in a public place and there was no reaction from the crowd.) in anime it's like, on a loving balcony or some poo poo. it was reasonably private. also, her cat spirit thing whose name i forget reacted to it too (shocked -> "you have poor taste" after subaru doesn't react)
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EponymousMrYar posted:Alternatively considering how she and everyone reacts to him after the first loop, there was some capital-S Shenanigans going on. (I'm pretty sure she told him her name was Satella in a public place and there was no reaction from the crowd.) It will never stop being hilarious to me that later on Subaru gets roughed up for sticking up for Emilia when her candidacy is announced, yet when he yells "Satella" at her the crowd reacts in sheer horror. Oh fantasy racism, you are too real.
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Ethiser posted:Also I liked the show, but I never really thought Subaru’s character made sense. Why was this shut in the most personable and friendly person in the world? There's an interesting backstory to Subaru's personality, so I'll just say we'll get into this a lot more in Season 2.
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Conspiratiorist posted:Rem has her entire world absolutely rocked by this mysterious stranger, who she knows only accidentally managed to reach through to her and allow her to start unpacking a decade of pent up guilt, and she's smart and perceptive enough to know he's got his issues, but she doesn't care. You could argue that hero worship isn't a good or healthy starting point for a romance (and Subaru would agree), but Rem really doesn't care. She's going for it. Subaru's response is rejection, and even then she doesn't care. She's overwhelming. The resolution of Rem's arc (in the anime, I haven't read the LNs) is also basically "I love you but I'm not going to settle for second place and neither are you," in contrast to, and as a result of processing and starting to outgrow, her earlier hero worship-based crush. The whole show is a male fantasy but as fantasies go, "self-respect is hot" isn't really that offensive. e: oh yeah almost forgot the actual reason I came in here -- are there any major changes in episode 4? e2: ehh, on rewatch, I think I forgot how much Rem fawns over Subaru even after the rooftop chat. guess we'll see what happens next v  v
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Tuxedo Catfish posted:e: oh yeah almost forgot the actual reason I came in here -- are there any major changes in episode 4? Mostly shot edits. Changes should pick up in episode 6.
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Episode 5 changes: A completely new version of Styx Helix plays as the Ending Theme. Also Emilia and Megumin talked to each other this week in Quartet.
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