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Jabor posted:So what I'm getting is that the state sucks, but the town itself did nothing wrong. The town itself sucks too, for letting that guys' house continue to burn and occasionally spritzing the fence and trees to keep it from spreading to a neighbor. Volunteer state my rear end.
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CRUSTY MINGE posted:Yeah that still doesn't make any sense, because they're still within a boundary that determines that their house was within X township. How do you figure? South Fulton is a city, not a township. They lived outside the city. Tennessee does not have townships. quote:My grandparents' house burnt down in the late 80s, about 9 miles from town. Everyone and all animals escaped fine, but by the time the fire department got there, wasn't poo poo to save. So it sounds like that model of operation didn't work all that well for your grandparents. Maybe if there'd been a subscription service where people like your grandparents could have paid an annual fee to the city for fire services there'd have been more resources and response time would have been faster. https://www.hgexperts.com/expert-witness-articles/fire-subscription-services-a-legal-and-moral-conundrum-20133
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Friend of mine caught his field on fire during an unfortunate offroad derby backfire. Volunteer fire department showed up with a pumper truck only to discover it was empty. So they drove the smaller backup unit up and discovered the pumps were out of gas. So they used hand held fire extinguishers and put the whole thing out. They were so embarrassed they never sent him a bill. I was in Wasilla AK a few years after Palin was the mayor and no longer the governor. The locals hated her because she cut all the services and skipped town before dealing with the consequences. The cabin we stayed at had a giant mound of dogshit from the sled dogs. On the very top was a big sign labelled "MT Palin". Edit : Mt Palin Dogshit mound 
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Jan 16, 2020 22:39
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Cartoon Man posted:https://i.imgur.com/SBgsfnf.gifv I bet whoever was in the white hatchback regrets cutting in front of the camera car....
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Re: Firefighters, the fault imo is with the system is the first place for creating perverted incentives, and I'm sympathetic to the Chief's stated argument (whether or not it turns out he's a total arsehole IRL). If you take something that's supposed to be a public service, like say road maintenance or firefighting, and *allow* people to opt-in instead of being a mandatory tax, surprise! Nobody pays and the department is chronically underfunded and you will regret it (I'm sure the SimCity2000 advisor has some memorable words to that effect). So sure, the fire engine shows up at a burning place, which decided not to pay for coverage, and by agreeing to save the house they make a very public statement that the yearly fee is a joke and you can just pay as you need it. Accepting bribes on the spot has no moral high ground (and only property was at stake), and is probably worse due to the whole haggling with a person under duress thing. Of course, they could have a standardized callout fee for non-subscribers (yeesh what a phrase) that's been predetermined, which his what the government did *after the fact*, which avoids the department extorting people and lets them just do their drat job. But the perverse incentive still exists: people can still choose to not pay the yearly fee and gamble against the bigger fee, which is still so affordable as to be a good bet. So no yearly income for the department still, hurray. The ENTIRE fuckin problem is avoided by just loving paying a tiny tax rate to pay for a loving fire department holy poo poo what's wrong with that place. If I was that chief I'd be pissed too and let people's places burn after the first few dozen unpaid callouts to smarmy assholes who think taxes are a bad thing. I mean, think of it this way: Imagine if you needed medical attention, and all services weren't covered by the government and had to be paid out of pocket. Could you *imagine* what type of crazy system would grow out of all those perverse incentives? I'd not want to live in THAT hellhole of a country...
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Jan 16, 2020 23:07
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SelenicMartian posted:https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/ra-89078#238a2952 Can you take a fukkin screenshot that site isn't intuitive at all for normies.
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Phanatic posted:How do you figure? South Fulton is a city, not a township. They lived outside the city. Tennessee does not have townships. No one was getting there faster. What part of "9 miles from the closest town" isn't getting through your head? The neighbors, all two of them, watched while it went up. Had they been within five miles of the actual, phsyical town, maybe the ground floor could have been saved. Nine miles out on grain farm chip and tar roads after rousing everyone at 1am? Nah. It's just a fact you accept living that far away. And they were fine with that. The fire department showed up anyhow, there wasn't poo poo to save by then. Not putting out that dudes' house because he didn't pay a fee, to just sit and watch it burn? That's a dick move. They had time to salvage something and they did nothing. And in terms of townships/cities, it's the same thing. Got a charter, got a zip code and a post office. If your house falls under that zip code, you're that towns' problem. Houses out in the middle of nowhere have addresses, with zip codes, for towns that they technically belong to. CRUSTY MINGE fucked around with this message at 23:16 on Jan 16, 2020 |
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Jan 16, 2020 23:12
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Wasabi the J posted:Can you take a fukkin screenshot that site isn't intuitive at all for normies. OH DEAR GOD THE RUNWAY AT MOSCOW (DME) IS UNDER CONSTRUCTION!!!  (Satellite photo is likely out of date, but I'm too lazy to check on Planet Labs.)
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Jan 16, 2020 23:27
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Yeah, what's the big deal? Satellite photos are out of date all the time.
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Jan 16, 2020 23:29
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Well now, it is Russia. Maybe that's good enough for them.
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CRUSTY MINGE posted:And in terms of townships/cities, it's the same thing. Got a charter, got a zip code and a post office. If your house falls under that zip code, you're that towns' problem. Houses out in the middle of nowhere have addresses, with zip codes, for towns that they technically belong to. No, it’s not the same thing. Many states do not have an intermediate form of local government between the county level and the municipality level. Tennessee is one of those that does not. The county had no fire services of its own. The municipalities in the county did, but this guy didn’t love in one of those municipalities. You said “that doesn’t matter, he still lived in the township.” Except he didn’t. There was no township. He did not live an an area with an incorporated local government.
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Cojawfee posted:Yeah, what's the big deal? Satellite photos are out of date all the time. It looks accurate as of 2019-11.
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Phanatic posted:No, it’s not the same thing. Many states do not have an intermediate form of local government between the county level and the municipality level. Tennessee is one of those that does not. The county had no fire services of its own. The municipalities in the county did, but this guy didn’t love in one of those municipalities. You said “that doesn’t matter, he still lived in the township.” Except he didn’t. There was no township. He did not live an an area with an incorporated local government. Then you get into the world of states handicapping what counties can do. Texas bans rural counties from creating a fire code, which is how you get that chemical plant explosion from a few years ago.
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Jan 16, 2020 23:44
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Well then that sucks for him. And is a quality example of why you shouldn't live in Tennessee. And not all counties in Tennessee seem to follow that pattern, mostly because of Shelby and Davidson counties gently caress up trends. They have a tax base though, compared to the backwoods sticks that make up most of the state. The county I grew up in up in Illinois didn't provide fire service. It provided funding for fire services to the towns within. The towns themselves had to get trucks, volunteers, etc. But it's been 20 years since I lived up there, maybe they've FYGM'd themselves into the same corner.
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kimihia posted:It looks accurate as of 2019-11. Well the image shown has no taxiways connecting that runway to the rest of the airport, so either the imagery is out of date or there is a jet currently stuck at the Moscow airport. e: I can't find a specific rule in my copy of the FAR/AIM but I'll bet it's also not legal for the airport to operate commercial flights from a runway without any markings. Sagebrush fucked around with this message at 01:58 on Jan 17, 2020 |
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Jan 17, 2020 01:36
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Here's how the firefighter conversation should've gone: "You didn't pay your $75 fee, so we'll stick you with a $10,000 bill to put out this fire." "Ok." Done
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Jan 17, 2020 01:50
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Well actuarially that is not a healthy cashflow for maintaining and operating a fire fighting operation like others have mentioned.
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Nah there’s a lot of precedent for success at sticking uninsured people with life-ruining bills
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CRUSTY MINGE posted:And in terms of townships/cities, it's the same thing. Got a charter, got a zip code and a post office. If your house falls under that zip code, you're that towns' problem. Houses out in the middle of nowhere have addresses, with zip codes, for towns that they technically belong to. it totally isn't, not even remotely. you might have a mailing address for the local town but that doesn't mean you're in the jurisdication re: property taxes, zoning codes, other things like that it sucks for the guy whose house burned down but if you live in a place with no fire protection and the neighboring jurisdiction is willing to cover you for $75 a year... that's a good deal Fallom posted:Here's how the firefighter conversation should've gone: "You didn't pay your $75 fee, so we'll stick you with a $10,000 bill to put out this fire." "Ok." iirc the jurisdiction allowed for people to pay an on-the-spot fee after this incident, but if you're the fire captain on the scene and you've confirmed that nobody's life is in danger, why risk the lives of your dudes to save the property of someone who is, legally, not your problem?
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Sagebrush posted:Well the image shown has no taxiways connecting that runway to the rest of the airport, so either the imagery is out of date or there is a jet currently stuck at the Moscow airport. That's it, the aircraft is stuck on the "runway" because there's no place for it to taxi anywhere to. http://avherald.com/h?article=4d206ba5 quote:An IrAero Sukhoi Superjet 100-95, registration RA-89078 performing flight IO-4284 from Sabetta to Moscow Domodedovo (Russia), was on approach to Domodedovo's runway 32R however touched down on the runway under construction to the right of runway 32R at 14:15L (11:15Z). The aircraft rolled out without further incident and is currently stuck on the runway. There were no injuries. IDK how you can have an un-hosed-up AIP with a "32L", "32R", but also a "32". Russia.
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Bad Munki posted:Holy poo poo. I was going to just post the pics from this dump that I hadn’t seen in this thread yet, but then I had like two dozen pics to post and, well, just go look, there’s a lot here, some really ace work:  
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Whisky tango foxtrot like a boss https://i.imgur.com/TxrQtet.mp4 (sound on)
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"Engine failure... uhh, shoot, okay..." The Canadianest emergency response.
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CRUSTY MINGE posted:And is a quality example of why you shouldn't live in Tennessee. hi buddy! phiz kalifa here, noted socialist crank. i'm not mad at you specifically, because this is a really common sentiment which is, nevertheless, extremely self-defeating. what i need you to realize here is, by allowing the bosses to divide us up into individual states, we allow the money-men to hold an unhealthy amount of power. the people in tennessee deserve all the same rights and protections we deserve on the liberal elite coasts because workers only succeed when it's ALL of us versus them.
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Cartoon Man posted:Whisky tango foxtrot like a boss Holy poo poo. Complete holy poo poo. Literally textbook perfect engine failure procedure and landing. I had a panic attack just watching it.
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mostlygray posted:Thanks! That makes a lot of sense. Cross talk would stand to reason. Like phones or spark plug wires. There's no such thing has Ghost Voltage, don't believe these lies. Clearly you have an infestation of Borrowers and the've tapped into your electrical to run a few LEDs. Don't interfere, LEDs are much safer than the tiny candles and lanterns they'd otherwise be using.
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Prometheus was a documentary https://i.imgur.com/0C4L4kx.mp4
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DandyLion posted:Holy poo poo. Complete holy poo poo. Literally textbook perfect engine failure procedure and landing. I had a panic attack just watching it. i think it's a simulated failure and the guy chilling out in the right seat is an instructor but yeah that was definitely perfect procedure. I'm always surprised that helicopters can "glide" (autorotate) at all, let alone that far.
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Sagebrush posted:i think it's a simulated failure and the guy chilling out in the right seat is an instructor
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PHIZ KALIFA posted:hi buddy! phiz kalifa here, noted socialist crank. i'm not mad at you specifically, because this is a really common sentiment which is, nevertheless, extremely self-defeating. what i need you to realize here is, by allowing the bosses to divide us up into individual states, we allow the money-men to hold an unhealthy amount of power. the people in tennessee deserve all the same rights and protections we deserve on the liberal elite coasts because workers only succeed when it's ALL of us versus them. I like the cut of your job. But we gave Tennessee a chance to join the union in 1861. Actually a lot of modern similarities of monied interests fear mongering for regressive policies...
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I just came here to say that I live in an opt in, for profit, fire and Ems protection county and it costs me more than $500 a year. If you don't subscribe and you have a fire Emergency they charge $1,650 per hour with a minimum of 10 hours for support. Look up rural metro. For profit. What a terrible idea!
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Wasabi the J posted:I like the cut of your job. i'm not excusing what's happened in the past, i'm saying what we need to do moving forward. everybody in. even the idiots who cut their noses to spite their faces.
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Condimentalist posted:I just came here to say that I live in an opt in, for profit, fire and Ems protection county and it costs me more than $500 a year. If you don't subscribe and you have a fire Emergency they charge $1,650 per hour with a minimum of 10 hours for support. Look up rural metro. For profit. What a terrible idea! I think the average house can be expected to go longer than thirty‐three years without burning down, and we also have to consider the time value of money. 0/10 would not opt‐in. 
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PHIZ KALIFA posted:i'm not excusing what's happened in the past, i'm saying what we need to do moving forward. everybody in. even the idiots who cut their noses to spite their faces. I just wanted to make a pro Union pun. You are right though. We don't survive by pushing each other off the life raft. Together we are stronger.
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PHIZ KALIFA posted:i'm not excusing what's happened in the past, i'm saying what we need to do moving forward. everybody in. even the idiots who cut their noses to spite their faces. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A880UBloIdY&t=22s
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I hold the controversial opinion that letting someone's house burn down when you could do something about it is a dick move, and that you shouldn't be a dick. Also I'd do it just to save the pets, who were innocent of this crime.
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Lake of Methane posted:That's it, the aircraft is stuck on the "runway" because there's no place for it to taxi anywhere to. I thought is was a funny because the outdated google photo made it appear that the runway wasn't built yet, not that they actually did land on one under construction. yowzah.
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