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   i fuckin love the prowler. it is pointy, but not in a bad/trying-too-hard way. it's neither a jet plane in space, nor a pile of spaceship greebles—it is clearly inspired by the lines of a boat, maybe a kayak. they are treated as neither disposable space fight fodder nor as the hero ship type. theyre a fast, maneuverable two-person craft that can shoot things pretty hard, and used only when those are useful traits. might be the best fighter craft in scifi
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Kazimir Vysehrad posted:The sequels are a patch work of unlikable one dimensional and new shallow characters, the destruction of well established heroes: luke is a failure, han is still a smuggler 30 years on, and leia is the leader of an extremist militant organisation outlawed by the new republic?, come on! I just pretend they never happened and gleefully watch The Mandelorian
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Kazimir Vysehrad posted:I concur, the prequels, while slow and with convoluted war-on-terror era plots, gave us so much like fleshing out almost every character back stories, cool aesthetics, the clone wars series with are great. i was thinking it was because the new designs are bad and boring but this is important too come to think of it
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Iron Crowned posted:I just pretend they never happened and gleefully watch The Mandelorian Yeah, for peace of mind, i pretend that the sequels are something of an alternative reality-type deal, thankfully that's something that was introduced in the Rebels TV show, so its no impossible to be true star wars-wise.
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cuntman.net posted:i was thinking it was because the new designs are bad and boring but this is important too come to think of it The new designs ARE bad and boring, the same visually identical tie fighters as always, the x wings with only very minor engine updates. The first order aesthetics also are awful, looks like the designing team just decided that "nah, lets not go in a new bold direction, just make ships look samey as before, but with a more bulky and brutalistic aesthetic". The only new ship that is not boring is the rebel bomber from TLJ, but it was a shame that it was squandered for a minor plot point.
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Oh poo poo, I just remembered the EU ships that the New Essential Guide finally gave us pictures of. The Havoc, Nym's stolen prototype fighter/bomber with an energy bomblet generator that can create unlimited bombs:  The Cloakshape, which has canonically been modified with the tail boom so much that people in-universe think it's standard equipment:  I can't get a pic uploaded but https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Inferno_(Vilmarh_Grahrk)
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Kazimir Vysehrad posted:The new designs ARE bad and boring, the same visually identical tie fighters as always, the x wings with only very minor engine updates. for all of lucas‘s terrible decisions, he knew exactly what he wanted to do aesthetically in each movie, and why. in the classic trilogy, jedi and leia level things are fairy tale middle ages stuff mixed with samurai. it’s mysterious and magical, but also the dark age after the fall of a great republic. it absolutely nails that. at the same time, armies and spaceships are world wars. consistently. they are mechanized meatgrinder fights where you barely acknowledge the opposing side’s humanity. it's bombastic and fuckin rad, visually in the prequels, the jedi level stuff is decadent rome. you get a nice swords-&-sandals setpiece in each: ep1 has a ben hur chariot race; ep2 has a gladiatorial arena. ep3 is the fall of the great republic into the empire, and you have the jedi trying to kill the chancellor—it’s the assassination of caesar. it's not always pulled off perfectly, but it’s always at least evident to the audience what lucas is trying to do
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the sequels tho, they dont have any coherent idea of what the historical parallel they might want to evoke. the only thing they try to look like is the original trilogy
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Jan 22, 2020 19:06
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Kazimir Vysehrad posted:Yeah, for peace of mind, i pretend that the sequels are something of an alternative reality-type deal, thankfully that's something that was introduced in the Rebels TV show, so its no impossible to be true star wars-wise. The existence of a separate Legends continuity for the old EU means that technically you're right! It's two separate timelines and you can choose which one you care about more. They're just unfortunately not making any more works for it, so a lot of stuff ended unresolved.
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Squizzle posted:the sequels tho, they dont have any coherent idea of what the historical parallel they might want to evoke. the only thing they try to look like is the original trilogy EXACTLY THIS sequels acknowledge nothing except “hurrrrrrr star wars  ”
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Squizzle posted:for all of lucas‘s terrible decisions, he knew exactly what he wanted to do aesthetically in each movie, and why. in the classic trilogy, jedi and leia level things are fairy tale middle ages stuff mixed with samurai. it’s mysterious and magical, but also the dark age after the fall of a great republic. it absolutely nails that. As an example of Lucas's design decisions, the ELG-3A blaster pistol used on Naboo was turned from a sketch by him into a practical prop the same day. He's one of the most godawful writers of dialogue in film history, but he'll always come up with something unique design-wise. He could have been a great designer behind the scenes if he didn't get into writing and directing. 
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Squizzle posted:for all of lucas‘s terrible decisions, he knew exactly what he wanted to do aesthetically in each movie, and why. in the classic trilogy, jedi and leia level things are fairy tale middle ages stuff mixed with samurai. it’s mysterious and magical, but also the dark age after the fall of a great republic. it absolutely nails that. Yeah, i think this is the really the weakest point from the sequels, that there is no clear cut historical analogy for the premise, just "actually forget ROFJ, the empire never died, and our heroes are actuality incompetent buffoons, lets re-do the cold war mujaheddin vs soviet union history line as before because kids this days just wont notice" Its just so disappointing.
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The one good thing to come out of the sequels is the U-Wing Gunship There's something about it that I really like. It's sleek but also kinda beefy looking, and the scene of the door Gunner laying down fire as it dropped off troops was cool.
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Who What Now posted:The one good thing to come out of the sequels is the U-Wing Gunship Rogue One is actually a great movie, looking forward for the tv series.
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Who What Now posted:The one good thing to come out of the sequels is the U-Wing Gunship the weird hang glider tie fighter from that movie was good too
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Squizzle posted:
and the end of Phantom Menace is pretty clearly a triumph, complete with gate.
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My favorite though is the Starviper I had a toy of one as a kid and it was rad as hell
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For all the EU stuff/Legends stuff that has aged poorly but I love, the Sun Crusher is #1. A) literally loving invulnerable. You shoot at it? Okay cool that's nice, you took out the turbolasers, how about we just ram you B) blows up entire solar systems because gently caress you, that's why C) Wedge finally got laid because of it, technically For less cheeseball but equally oddball, the Missile Boat is a fave as well. Go fast, hit hard, hit often. Also it had a really nifty sort of squat, utilitarian design that stood out.
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MJP posted:For all the EU stuff/Legends stuff that has aged poorly but I love, the Sun Crusher is #1. I love how it just kinda bloops out balls of star killing plasma out of a satellite dish on the bottom
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Kazimir Vysehrad posted:Rogue One is actually a great movie, looking forward for the tv series. I'm excited to see how the Cassian series is presented. Mandalorian has had huge success throwing out the Star Wars formula and making a full on western, so maybe they'll do a Star Wars take on 24 or The Bourne Identity?
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chitoryu12 posted:I'm excited to see how the Cassian series is presented. Mandalorian has had huge success throwing out the Star Wars formula and making a full on western, so maybe they'll do a Star Wars take on 24 or The Bourne Identity? I think i would be a "mature" take on themes touched by SW Rebels, but (hopefully) without the Force, as in the formation of rebel cells, missions of sabotage of imperial targets, assassinations, working with seedy characters for mutual gain, many morally gray stuff of "does the end (overthrow the empire) justify the means? (terrorist bombings)" There is plenty of opportunities there.
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Kazimir Vysehrad posted:I think i would be a "mature" take on themes touched by SW Rebels, but (hopefully) without the Force, as in the formation of rebel cells, missions of sabotage of imperial targets, assassinations, working with seedy characters for mutual gain, many morally gray stuff of "does the end (overthrow the empire) justify the means? (terrorist bombings)" Star Wars meets Ronin (the '98 film) Cassian's Eleven Tinker, Tailor, Soldier, Rebel
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The Y-wing is the A-10 of the Star Wars verse and I will not accept any other arguments.
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iospace posted:The Y-wing is the A-10 of the Star Wars verse and I will not accept any other arguments. Someone needs to introduce you to the actual Star Wars A-10, the K-Wing. i only know of it from the X-Wing Miniatures game, fucker has literally 13 hardpoints and was explicitly designed to fill the Y-wing niche. The only real outlier is that it's got the ability to SLAM and go fast, which is not an A-10 thing at all
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chitoryu12 posted:As an example of Lucas's design decisions, the ELG-3A blaster pistol used on Naboo was turned from a sketch by him into a practical prop the same day. He's one of the most godawful writers of dialogue in film history, but he'll always come up with something unique design-wise. He could have been a great designer behind the scenes if he didn't get into writing and directing. it's not just design—he can write and direct around strong themes, but his actual nuts and bolts narrative skill is fuckin absent the prequels are all about liberal institutions that morally compromise themselves into oppressive empire. the trade federation is like the dutch, or portuguese, or british mercantile fleets—that became the backbones of colonial empires. the republic senate is the roman senate—which gave rise to the empire. the clone army are cold war era draftees in our stop-the-commies wars in asia—which were really about the projection and enforcement of american imperial power. and it turns out that no matter how much they appear to be in conflict, they are all working to empower the same imperial evil the senate protests the creation of the army but allows it and later votes emergency powers to palpatine. the trade federation is working for palps and joins up into the alliance of capital interests that is the confederacy, which are under the command of sidious/palpatine. the army itself is directly answerable to palpatine, as seen by order 66 the entire trilogy has good, strong themes, but they are so poorly assembled into actual movies that it's difficult to see them sometimes
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the prequels also have a lot of really interesting things to say about how evil will exploit or destroy children, or at least how once you start to exploit or hurt children you are on the road to collapse. but lucas can't tell a fuckin story to save his life
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Who What Now posted:The one good thing to come out of the sequels is the U-Wing Gunship oooooo
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Pollyanna posted:I want a lego model of the t16 sky hopper even though idk where I’d put it https://brickset.com/sets/75081-1/T-16-Skyhopper https://brickset.com/sets/75265-1/T-16-Skyhopper-vs-Bantha-Microfighters The last one is new and pretty small!
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The YT 2000 Otana is the best and the game it’s from is also the best come fight me.
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Turkson posted:https://brickset.com/sets/75081-1/T-16-Skyhopper ooh! I can get behind a lego bantha
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Uh excuse me How can one thread be so wrong?
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Kazimir Vysehrad posted:
This right here is the correct answer. or the Missle Boat for some SLAM action.
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dupersaurus posted:Uh excuse me a wing suuuuucks
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dupersaurus posted:Uh excuse me A-Wings are rad as hell, I just like B-Wings a liiiiittle bit more
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Jedi Starfighters are rad, but I can't believe nobody has mentioned the TIE Interceptor. It's got dagger wings, like, how can you not like this?
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Kazimir Vysehrad posted:, the destruction of well established heroes: luke is a failure, han is still a smuggler 30 years on, and leia is the leader of an extremist militant organisation outlawed by the new republic?, come on! whatever else you say, this actually the best part of the sequels zoux posted:What's so good about B-wings exactly and also do they actually appear in any of the movies yes in episode 6
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zoux posted:What's so good about B-wings exactly and also do they actually appear in any of the movies you gotta say it “bwing” instead of “bee wing” and suddenly it’s great
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