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zoux
Apr 28, 2006

Well if you want my advice GET OUT WHILE YOU CAN

https://twitter.com/KrangTNelson/status/1220577765809778689

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Rocksicles
Oct 19, 2012

by Nyc_Tattoo
They misspelled Bonza.

swickles
Aug 21, 2006

I guess that I don't need that though
Now you're just some QB that I used to know
Caught the season finale of Perfect Harmony. Hope this show sticks around and embraces the weirdness. It reminds me of HIMYM in that its mainly a straight laced sitcom with moments of insanity that make it better than most other shows of its type. If you haven't watched it there is an episode that surrounds a beauty pageant for young men, where the winner is the towns official representative for first contact with extra terrestrials. Also, Anna Camp is in it.

Djarum
Apr 1, 2004

by vyelkin
I could see Apple roll together a service that gives Apple TV+, Apple Music (which is another service that isn't setting the world on fire), iCloud storage along with some other perk for like 10-13 bucks a month. It at least makes more sense than the model they are using right now.

Disney is playing it right with the pricing on Disney+. Yeah, they could charge more and perhaps they should but especially since they are looked at as a 2nd tier streaming service right now it would be not in their best interest. 7 bucks a month is a perfect amount for most people to justify. I think in the future they are going to push the trio of Disney+, Hulu and ESPN+ for the higher price. They can keep Disney+ as a loss leader to get people to get the other two.

bull3964
Nov 18, 2000

DO YOU HEAR THAT? THAT'S THE SOUND OF ME PATTING MYSELF ON THE BACK.


I mean, they already have a Disney+, Hulu, and ESPN+ package.

EL BROMANCE
Jun 10, 2006

COWABUNGA DUDES!
🥷🐢😬



swickles posted:

Caught the season finale of Perfect Harmony.

Didn't realise it only had a half season order, it's not a bad show but I won't lose sleep if it doesn't come back. Same goes for pretty much all network comedy right now.

Djarum
Apr 1, 2004

by vyelkin

bull3964 posted:

I mean, they already have a Disney+, Hulu, and ESPN+ package.

Yes they do. I was meaning increasing the price of that slightly to make up margins and pushing that instead of the stand alone service.

bull3964
Nov 18, 2000

DO YOU HEAR THAT? THAT'S THE SOUND OF ME PATTING MYSELF ON THE BACK.


I'm not so sure Disney is concerned about Disney+ margins. While they do have a whole slate of originals, they are MOSTLY supporting products for tentpole franchises that gets buts in theater seats and sell other merch. Disney+ is a tool for them to saturate media with their IP to make it even less likely someone skips the next big screen release.

That's where Disney and Apple are very different in their goals for TV. Apple just want to add to their subscription service portfolio. Disney wants IP domination because they have so many ways to monetize it.

Sleeveless
Dec 25, 2014

by Pragmatica
I don't think anyone subscribing to Disney+ or Apple TV is subscribing only to those platforms and they know it, if you're a new service you're going to be something that people subscribe to in addition to Netflix/Hulu/Amazon rather than their one stop shop for entertainment. There's already more TV being made than anybody could actually watch so I don't think there's any expectation or obligagion to just churn out hours and hours of content each week to fill time, having something like The Mandalorian that is a huge crossover hit or something that will attract a devoted existing audience like the Clone Wars revival is a way better use of resources than making just another show that will have to.compete with whatever Netflix is dumping out this weekend.

Also Disney+ seems to be trying to revive their old Wonderful World of Disney/Disney Channel Original Movie model and is making family movies at a steady clip.

EL BROMANCE
Jun 10, 2006

COWABUNGA DUDES!
🥷🐢😬



Finished s4 of Silicon Valley. Is my desire to strangle Thomas Middleditch going to go down at all over the final two seasons? He just seems to keep doing the same loving stupid things over and over again, and it bugs me the other characters just haven't kicked him out completely. I feel I've read this kind of criticism before, that the show just seems to keep going in circles but I'm hoping the last 2 seasons do something a bit different? It's funny still, and I like Middleditch as a comedian, but the character is killing me now.

Ugly In The Morning
Jul 1, 2010
Pillbug

EL BROMANCE posted:

Finished s4 of Silicon Valley. Is my desire to strangle Thomas Middleditch going to go down at all over the final two seasons? He just seems to keep doing the same loving stupid things over and over again, and it bugs me the other characters just haven't kicked him out completely. I feel I've read this kind of criticism before, that the show just seems to keep going in circles but I'm hoping the last 2 seasons do something a bit different? It's funny still, and I like Middleditch as a comedian, but the character is killing me now.

Not really but the show starts leaning into him being a tremendous jackass more.

Big Mean Jerk
Jan 27, 2009

Well, of course I know him.
He's me.
”Kiss. My. Piss.”

EL BROMANCE
Jun 10, 2006

COWABUNGA DUDES!
🥷🐢😬



Oh God. So the s4 ending plotline of him infecting everyone with malware to get his stupid app on there is just the tip of the iceberg? Great. At least TJ Miller is gone, I feel bad at laughing at his jokes because dammit the guy is funny in the show even if he's an rear end in real life.

Zaphod42
Sep 13, 2012

If there's anything more important than my ego around, I want it caught and shot now.
Yeah, I kept watching Silicon Valley (mostly because I binged the last two seasons at once) but it started to feel ridiculously formulaic and repetitive towards the end. Good they called it.

There's only so many times you can have a demo go to poo poo last minute, only to have Middleditch come up with a genius solution last second, before it wears thin. Show never became anything else.

I wanted to see them actually succeed and how that changed things, but I guess the writers had no idea what to do with that, so they just kept writing excuses to reset the plot.

Norwegian Rudo
May 9, 2013

EL BROMANCE posted:

Is my desire to strangle Thomas Middleditch going to go down at all over the final two seasons? He just seems to keep doing the same loving stupid things over and over again, and it bugs me the other characters just haven't kicked him out completely.

I watched the last couple of season of this and then everybody's favourite, Girls, back to back a few months ago. If I had to choose who to be friends with, Richard or Hannah Horvath, I'd choose Hannah every single time.

pentyne
Nov 7, 2012

Ugly In The Morning posted:

Not really but the show starts leaning into him being a tremendous jackass more.

It feels like it perfectly distills the life cycle of SV tech bro. As he makes more and more his character flaws get worse and worse to the point where he's recklessly hurting people but suffers no serious consequences because it's a sitcom. Through all of it you could argue he's his own worst enemy, not any outside agents.

Him going to Jared and treating him like poo poo because Jared was willing to stick to his beliefs and ethics was pretty much what you expect from every high flying VC success. No matter what you did or how essential you were once you refuse to lick their boots you drop to human scum they wouldn't think twice about letting starve to death.

Ugly In The Morning
Jul 1, 2010
Pillbug
I will say about Silicon Valley, the finale was perfect. After all the times they managed to narrowly avert disaster, having it end with a desperate scramble to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory was perfect.

Philthy
Jan 28, 2003

Pillbug
Haven't seen anything about Disney+ subscriber counts since Mando finished. I canceled mine pretty much immediately. But I've also decided going forward that I'm kinda fed up with all these services and I'll wait till a series ends, pay a month to binge, then cancel and rotate through them.

Seven Hundred Bee
Nov 1, 2006

every so often I remember that Hannibal existed as a TV show on NBC for 3 seasons* and still can't believe it -- such a ridiculous show with such amazing visuals, it is unbelievable that somehow NBC authorized a show where corpses were lovingly and carefully display as insects, towers, color wheels, and then shot better than most movies

maybe NSFW?



edit: 3 seasons!

Seven Hundred Bee fucked around with this message at 01:55 on Jan 25, 2020

Escobarbarian
Jun 18, 2004


Grimey Drawer
3 seasons

Seven Hundred Bee
Nov 1, 2006


whoops. I don't know if there has been a more beautiful tv series in the last 10 years, and probably not a series that has shown death more beautifully and creatively

Open Source Idiom
Jan 4, 2013
Hannibal was part of NBC's weird trend of trying to put at least one "prestige" show on the air, even if they had no place for it at all. I remember SouthLAnd and Emerald City being other attempts to bring big dick streaming energy to the channel, neither of them being much in the way of commerical success.

Oh, and American Crime on ABC was, if anything, stranger IMO. The school shooting episode that had documentary interviews with Columbine survivors is probably the most off-brand thing that channel's ever produced.

Ugly In The Morning
Jul 1, 2010
Pillbug

Open Source Idiom posted:

Hannibal was part of NBC's weird trend of trying to put at least one "prestige" show on the air, even if they had no place for it at all. I remember SouthLAnd and Emerald City being other attempts to bring big dick streaming energy to the channel, neither of them being much in the way of commerical success.

Oh, and American Crime on ABC was, if anything, stranger IMO. The school shooting episode that had documentary interviews with Columbine survivors is probably the most off-brand thing that channel's ever produced.

They only did Southland for one season, then it moved to... TNT or TBS, one of the T’s. It was way more prestigey once it channel hopped and started having stuff like Sherman sliding into corruption.

Zaphod42
Sep 13, 2012

If there's anything more important than my ego around, I want it caught and shot now.

Seven Hundred Bee posted:

probably not a series that has shown death more beautifully

Is that really a good thing?

With game of thrones there was this whole series online called "beautiful death" that would do like a painting of major GOT characters dying, and it seemed really weird and creepy to me.

Like some kind of bizarre obsession. Making such a big deal of "beautiful death" seems like you're treating the show like a snuff film. Its just.... weird. Macabre, but in a creepy way.

I mean I like talking about philosophy as much (or more) than the next guy, but particularly obsessing about the visuals involved in death just seems like maybe not a good or healthy idea really. It seems exploitative in a way.

Now, Hannibal was a beautiful show, no doubt, I really liked it. Sorry to pick on you, I just, I've seen people expressing feelings like that and it just seems kinda not good to me.

Death is a part of life and storytelling as a result, but getting too hyped over depictions of death turns television entertainment into like, mock Roman blood-sport or something.

Seven Hundred Bee
Nov 1, 2006

Zaphod42 posted:

Is that really a good thing?

With game of thrones there was this whole series online called "beautiful death" that would do like a painting of major GOT characters dying, and it seemed really weird and creepy to me.

Like some kind of bizarre obsession. Making such a big deal of "beautiful death" seems like you're treating the show like a snuff film. Its just.... weird. Macabre, but in a creepy way.

I mean I like talking about philosophy as much (or more) than the next guy, but particularly obsessing about the visuals involved in death just seems like maybe not a good or healthy idea really. It seems exploitative in a way.

Now, Hannibal was a beautiful show, no doubt, I really liked it. Sorry to pick on you, I just, I've seen people expressing feelings like that and it just seems kinda not good to me.

Death is a part of life and storytelling as a result, but getting too hyped over depictions of death turns television entertainment into like, mock Roman blood-sport or something.

I think you can show death without glorifying it, which is where you probably run into some problems. There's no confusion that Hannibal is a Bad Guy and that these deaths are bad things -- theres no sympathy for him as a character, there's no justification for him killing the people he kills -- they're just presented artistically, which probably is better than Random Cop Procedural where 10 people are murdered each episode (and the characters gun down people all the time).

I'd also say Hannibal takes death (and presents death) more seriously than most crime/police procedurals.

Seven Hundred Bee
Nov 1, 2006

Open Source Idiom posted:

Hannibal was part of NBC's weird trend of trying to put at least one "prestige" show on the air, even if they had no place for it at all. I remember SouthLAnd and Emerald City being other attempts to bring big dick streaming energy to the channel, neither of them being much in the way of commerical success.

Oh, and American Crime on ABC was, if anything, stranger IMO. The school shooting episode that had documentary interviews with Columbine survivors is probably the most off-brand thing that channel's ever produced.

Hannibal was really, really, instantly gory in way I haven't seen on network TV since.

Zaphod42
Sep 13, 2012

If there's anything more important than my ego around, I want it caught and shot now.

Seven Hundred Bee posted:

I think you can show death without glorifying it, which is where you probably run into some problems. There's no confusion that Hannibal is a Bad Guy and that these deaths are bad things -- theres no sympathy for him as a character, there's no justification for him killing the people he kills -- they're just presented artistically, which probably is better than Random Cop Procedural where 10 people are murdered each episode (and the characters gun down people all the time).

I'd also say Hannibal takes death (and presents death) more seriously than most crime/police procedurals.

I agree and I tried to say I have no problem with Hannibal whatsoever, I really liked it. I said that.

I just think what you said... it reminded me of something I see a lot of people expressing and it kinda worries me.

The show being beautiful is great. The show taking death seriously is fine and can be cool. But just someone specifically saying, "I like that show because of all the beautiful death" is... weird to me. But you are far from the only person to use those words.

I even really enjoy shows like Spartacus that get pretty gory, and I'd say the action sequences are some of my favorites. But, the part I like is the choreography and the skilled fighting, not the gore and especially not the visuals of people dying and being dead itself.

But like I said I'm sorry to pick on you. I just, those GOT posters always kinda seemed weird to me. And they must make lots of profit to justify the advertising!

E: https://beautifuldeath.com/ look its a whole marketing site, I guess this is official HBO endorsed. Seems kinda weird to me IDK.

Zaphod42 fucked around with this message at 02:29 on Jan 25, 2020

bring back old gbs
Feb 28, 2007

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

Zaphod42 posted:

Is that really a good thing?

With game of thrones there was this whole series online called "beautiful death" that would do like a painting of major GOT characters dying, and it seemed really weird and creepy to me.

Like some kind of bizarre obsession. Making such a big deal of "beautiful death" seems like you're treating the show like a snuff film. Its just.... weird. Macabre, but in a creepy way.

I mean I like talking about philosophy as much (or more) than the next guy, but particularly obsessing about the visuals involved in death just seems like maybe not a good or healthy idea really. It seems exploitative in a way.

Now, Hannibal was a beautiful show, no doubt, I really liked it. Sorry to pick on you, I just, I've seen people expressing feelings like that and it just seems kinda not good to me.

Death is a part of life and storytelling as a result, but getting too hyped over depictions of death turns television entertainment into like, mock Roman blood-sport or something.

The general landscape of network TV is like 50% misery porn. All the NCIS's and SVUs and forensics shows that dont play with any subtlety or nuance, aren't creative with the kills and just brazenly document a rape and murder of some nameless lady so a quip machine can solve it in the next 40 mins. Hannibal at least skipped the actual murders a lot of the time (which makes the times they DO show it that much more intense), only letting viewers see the end result, with maybe some flashbacks as Will puts the case together. And there isn't really a triumph to Hannibal's kills despite the fact that over the course of the show you sort of start to root for him...until you don't.

The show doesn't glamorize the kills so much as Hannibal himself, who is so other worldly and strange you never really think "wow i could be like him if i just learned to cook."

Seven Hundred Bee
Nov 1, 2006

yea, Hannibal is basically a supernatural character, he's not an anti-hero and he's not an inspiration. he's like some dark evil force. this isn't You Season 1 where people are tweeting about how they wish Joe would stalk them. they show had many striking, beautiful visuals outside of the bodies, too.

(I do get your overall point though -- but I think it just kind of is what it is.)

esperterra
Mar 24, 2010

SHINee's back




Hannibal is the other side of the coin for Bryan Fuller's obsession with beautiful death. Pushing Daisies is the first side we saw.

bring back pushing daisies tbqh

Open Source Idiom
Jan 4, 2013

esperterra posted:

Hannibal is the other side of the coin for Bryan Fuller's obsession with beautiful death. Pushing Daisies is the first side we saw.

bring back pushing daisies tbqh

I expected better of you esperterra.

Forgetting Dead Like Me. smdh

esperterra
Mar 24, 2010

SHINee's back




he ditched dead like me after like 4 episodes bc showtime was meddling too much, i barely count it as a fuller show. but you're right!!

CAPTAIN CAPSLOCK
Sep 11, 2001



https://twitter.com/TheAVClub/status/1220901622446018560

Oh no :geno:

Big Mean Jerk
Jan 27, 2009

Well, of course I know him.
He's me.

Look at this jabroni who hasn’t read the recent excellent run by Chip Zdarsky

feedmyleg
Dec 25, 2004
Holy poo poo. I just realized that the fun weird old character of a guy at my office is essentially Coach McGuirk from Home Movies. No wonder I like him.

He, another coworker, and I have a very Brendan, Melissa, McGuirk dynamic going on. I am so delighted by this revelation.

feedmyleg fucked around with this message at 06:36 on Jan 25, 2020

McSpanky
Jan 16, 2005






Seven Hundred Bee posted:

Hannibal was really, really, instantly gory in way I haven't seen on network TV since.

I know I mention this every time someone Hannibal comes up but, Dolarhyde's faked suicide in season 3 is incredibly hosed up and I can't believe they got it to network uncensored. Like I was in legit open-mouthed shock. Few horror movies ever affected me like that.

Open Source Idiom
Jan 4, 2013

McSpanky posted:

I know I mention this every time someone Hannibal comes up but, Dolarhyde's faked suicide in season 3 is incredibly hosed up and I can't believe they got it to network uncensored. Like I was in legit open-mouthed shock. Few horror movies ever affected me like that.

This scene was good, largely because I really enjoyed Rutina Wesley in the show. I thought she was excellent.

That said, did anyone just flat out not enjoy watching Richard Armitage in the show? Maybe it's just me, but I remember his introduction epsiode has a sequence where he does this dragon impression and he makes this high pitched yowling noise, but it's just the funniest loving thing, like someone stepped on a cat or smth.

Anyway, I just could never take the character seriously after that.

esperterra
Mar 24, 2010

SHINee's back




Lee Pace woulda been a hell of a Dolarhyde.

Ralph Fiennes best Dolarhyde for lyfe tho.

hope and vaseline
Feb 13, 2001

esperterra posted:

Lee Pace woulda been a hell of a Dolarhyde.

Ralph Fiennes best Dolarhyde for lyfe tho.

I have no problems with Richard Armitage's performance but drat I'd have loved to seen Lee Pace's take on the character

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Alhazred
Feb 16, 2011




Big Mean Jerk posted:

Look at this jabroni who hasn’t read the recent excellent run by Chip Zdarsky

Or the original comic.

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