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Yeah at least 5 was an original idea if poorly executed. JJ trek is a retread.
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Jan 26, 2020 04:28
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Jan 26, 2020 04:34
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priznat posted:Yeah at least 5 was an original idea if poorly executed. JJ trek is a retread. JJ asked around extensively about which Star Trek plot device was the absolute best and everyone he spoke to said “Well it has to be Star Trek Nemesis and Praetor Shinzon’s giant romulan spaceship with a doohicky that kills all life on earth, no doubt about that among the fans”, so he really had no choice
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Jan 26, 2020 04:41
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I'd say Into Darkness is the worst movie and it adds insult to injury by shamelessly ripping off the best movie.
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Jan 26, 2020 04:45
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FuturePastNow posted:It doesn't matter which star trek film you think is the best as long as we all agree that Into Darkness is the worst Hands down with zero doubt. It's irredeemable. 5 gave us this legit awesome scene. What does God need with starship. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4HjR5xW7FU
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Jan 26, 2020 04:47
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Best Trek film is whatever Mike thinks, obviously
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Jan 26, 2020 04:48
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Cowcaster posted:if internet osmosis has inadvertently delivered unto me an encyclopedic knowledge of weird japanese rpgs deliberately aimed at tumblr teens through no action on my part, and yet has failed to deliver unto me a single valid impulse for watching a star trek, then the evidence is clearly against star trek being a worthy pursuit of my attention I think that just implies the star trek pedos are too busy acting on their impulses wheras the anime pedos have plenty of free time to brainwash you because they're too afraid to leave their bedrooms, let alone drive to a public park.
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Jan 26, 2020 04:56
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oohhboy posted:Hands down with zero doubt. It's irredeemable. And gave us Nimbus III, the Planet of Galactic Peas.
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Jan 26, 2020 04:59
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mallratcal posted:I've only seen the first 2 JJ Treks and I've seen enough. The 3rd JJ Trek was the best JJ Trek, and was a legitimately good movie. If somehow that had managed to be the second JJ Trek instead of Into Darkness the franchise would probably still be cranking out movies right now.
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Jan 26, 2020 05:03
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It is pretty funny how JJ built a nice concrete foundation with sturdy support beams for two trilogies and the second films of each series came in and built piss-filled cardboard shacks and graffitied the neighborhood with crude dicks, lowering property value and assuring the franchise was DOA before the third film could even attempt course correcting. e: the distinction being JJ came back and built a flophouse for Star War whereas Trek brought in Simon Pegg to build a lovely condo but the damage was already done and now the lower floors are check cashing places and a shady bodega The Anime Liker fucked around with this message at 05:12 on Jan 26, 2020 |
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Jan 26, 2020 05:09
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A HORNY SWEARENGEN posted:It is pretty funny how JJ built a nice concrete foundation with sturdy support beams You're kidding right?
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Jan 26, 2020 06:17
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Every TOS movie is good
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Jan 26, 2020 06:18
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V is the weakest of the TOS movies because its plot is nonsense, but in that way it's also the closest to a TOS episode. It has some really wonderful scenes and some wonderful muscles.
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Jan 26, 2020 06:26
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gonna do the first contact/plinkett double feature tomorrow thanks for the motivation, thread
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Jan 26, 2020 06:34
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The third JJ trek is alright, although I think it's also the one where they defeat the bad guy's defenses by playing Beastie Boys. Also the bad guy is a former Starfleet captain who's mad about ... I don't even remember. I remember it's Idris Elba but really nothing else about what he wants. The new character was good though. They could have replaced the dead guy with her no problem.
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Jan 26, 2020 06:43
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oohhboy posted:You're kidding right? Hear me out. The force awakens wasn't a good movie. But with what it did you could have made something. There was a mystery with the lead, a broken and conflicted villain, a redeemed coward, all these pieces were available to play with. TLJ took them all and went "no mystery,no villain, no character growth, no twist, no turn, nothing happens, no arc, no no no" TFA was a rock solid foundation to make SOMETHING happen but Rian Johnson took it and made loving nothing happen. At all. Star Trek: JJ gave us a flimsy excuse for Star Trek Year Zero. It wasn't perfect, but all the pieces were in place. A hot-head young captain had power well before he had experience, Spock was stuck between worlds, the crew was still green, and the galaxy was getting more complicated politically. Then Into Darkness was just a dumb action film with stupid Kirk and psycho Spock because there were no characters, only plotlines. There were infinite possibilities for Star Trek 2, and we got probably the worst one. The one where everyone hates it, Kirk sucks, and Spock is a violent lunatic.
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Jan 26, 2020 07:04
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JJ makes good movies. He just needs to loving stick with them instead of handing them off to others.
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hmmmm, i can concede that jj laid down an austere but reliable concrete foundation but only if in the process he bulldozed a historic landmark that was in the way even tho there was a perfectly good empty plot right next door
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Jan 26, 2020 07:24
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hard counter posted:hmmmm, i can concede that jj laid down an austere but reliable concrete foundation but only if in the process he bulldozed a historic landmark that was in the way even tho there was a perfectly good empty plot right next door Agreed. JJ never developed new land. He tore down a historical landmark THEN built a truly respectable engineering marvel of a foundation only to have hobos squat on it.
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Jan 26, 2020 07:27
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82FiF1mXPh0 I will not be watching Picard it is ENDLESS TRASH
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Jan 26, 2020 07:33
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A HORNY SWEARENGEN posted:Agreed. is it really a good foundation if no one is capable of building on it
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Raskolnikov38 posted:is it really a good foundation if no one is capable of building on it Literally everyone who has ever posted itt except Luchajones could write a better TFA sequel than Rian Johnson.
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Jan 26, 2020 07:45
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A HORNY SWEARENGEN posted:Agreed. A pile of bricks doesn't make a building. Getting the bricks is easy enough, just rip off everything that came before, JJ is very good at that. He doesn't understand or cares what he does with the bricks. Your mistaking having the bricks for a building. At best it's a short Jenga tower one brick away from collapse. What's worse with his mystery box obsession makes the bricks hollow. Throws on a couple buckets of Pew Pew shiny paint to distract you long enough to con you. Another thing you're mistaking is leaving things for the next person to pick up is a side effect of him not being about to finish anything combo with the mystery box. His "Set ups" don't have a logical answers, endless mcguffins that tend to self abort like Luke's map/wayfinder or irrelevant in the MI3. When he was finally forced to finish something with RoS all he did was throw bricks labelled with Star Wars buzz words. The whole Wayfinder thing was almost canto bite level filler. Colin's draft script reveals how much better that time could have been spent on.
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Jan 26, 2020 07:53
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It doesn't change the fact that TFA was a decent enough launchpad for something new and exciting. Yeah it copied A New Hope quite a bit, but TFA still ended with me wondering how things were going to develop for these new characters I was introduced to. I wanted to see more Rey, more Finn, more Poe, and see more tantrums of Kylo Ren. I did not feel this way after TLJ and lol if you think I ever want to see anyone in a star war after RotS. TFA retroactively sucks harder because of how bad the two movies following it dropped the ball. Neither of them came close to making the audience care about their new characters.
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Jan 26, 2020 07:59
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jj doesn't make buildings he makes movies you stupid dumbasses!!!
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Jan 26, 2020 08:00
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oh I came here to post this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0PjnzVSVkA
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Cubone posted:jj doesn't make buildings he makes movies you stupid dumbasses!!! Exactly. He poured a perfect slab of concrete for a foundation. Not a building.
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He didn't build that foundation. He pretended to lay a foundation. Think how much it was just you writing the script for JJ based on what you knew before, of that universe trying to fill in the holes as you constantly pause from increasing levels of nonsense. Ripping off ANH was forcing you to do this .By the end of TFA you had no idea what the state of the galaxy was or whether those planet he blew up was important in anyway. You don't know why the Resistance exists nor FO and you still don't know by the end of RoS not that they ever mattered. Why did Kylo go bad, eh?. These are basic things you have to establish and he did none of that. He has always been a Hack Fraud. The viewer should never be doing the job of the writer.
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Cubone posted:jj doesn't make buildings he makes movies you stupid dumbasses!!! Exactly. He poured a perfect slab of concrete for a foundation. Not a building. Think of this, with what TFA established you could have done a story about how everyone in the empire "forgot" Jedi existed 18 years after Revenge of the Sith, despite the Jedi being omnipresent in the galactic capital. How? 10 years after THAT some nobodies from nowhere give birth to a child who 6 years later begins performing "impossible" feats with her mind and out of fear and love they dump her in the middle of nowhere because they are afraid of her powers but can't bare to draw attention to her like some freak. The outer colonies have been purged of old-think and so a "jedi" isn't even in their lexicon so Rey was a hideous mutant to the rubes of her home planet still under post-empire First Order control. On Jakku she learned of the Jedi and Han Solo because there's no Empire/FO control,as an illegal trade outpost, so she knows the context of her powers as they develop. Bam, there's 5 or 6 minutes of plot that ties together the Rey origin and the vague existence of the First Order into a cohesive narrative. The galaxy isn't dumb, it's Juche. No one "forgot" the jedi, the people in the know were cowed into disavowing their own knowledge because it was "old-think", and the ignorant outer worlds had no frame of reference so no one ever knew to secretly question the empire or the pretenders that came after because power begat power telling them the same thing, weaving it all into a cohesive story continuation without the overarching plot being incestuous and resurrecting dead villains while simultaneously bridging plotholes between all three trilogies and I did it while chugging bloody marys and watching John Wick 3 and half-assing it the whole time and at no point did I write in a casino planet subplot. Disney, fire Kathleen Kennedy and hire me. The Anime Liker fucked around with this message at 08:39 on Jan 26, 2020 |
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Jan 26, 2020 08:26
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Story and plot wise TFA was poo poo They destroyed the enemy in the 1st movie. Rey defeated Kylo. Like, easily. There was nothing to continue Collapsing Farts fucked around with this message at 08:54 on Jan 26, 2020 |
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Jan 26, 2020 08:52
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I've been watching ST:TNG from series 3 onwards these last couple of days. It holds up well. I like how most of the episodes are just diplomacy, ethics or investigation plots. Old Picard would be the perfect character to continue this style. He would make a good space Columbo, but Picard is going to be an epic dark story arch with space kung-fu action, isn't it?
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Collapsing Farts posted:Story and plot wise TFA was poo poo Snoke was the end boss. Kylo going good was the proper 2nd film early twist. The true final twist was Snoke's defeat early in the third film, with the really real final FINAL boss being Hux because then the parable isn't that super evil isn't always an all-powerful Sith with an evil name and Sith powers, it's a dude rising in the ranks because he's a backstabbing little self-serving poo poo-rear end. You could have done SO MUCH with setting up a new Emperor and a new Vader but the true monster was the new Tarkin. Alas, Rian Johnson...
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Jan 26, 2020 09:01
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its almost as if they should have ended the skywalker saga after episode 6
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The real fun would have been you could have straight up plagiarized The East India Trading Company and the golden age of piracy. Kylo Ren is the supreme sith fighter. Snoke is his master. Together they're the crown and at least on paper what they say goes. But this little poo poo in their midst wields far more power than som inbred dynasty so he takes his licks from these phonies on a throne they didn't earn but he's building a fleet that will control everything in the known lands and no one can stop him from becoming more powerful than the crown. ... except for a former first mate and a cunning and rebellious captain. Hux could have been an incredible villain and Finn and Poe could have been great heroes. Alas, Rian Johnson...
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Collapsing Farts posted:Story and plot wise TFA was poo poo Also Plasma is easily defeated. And Rey is already a Jesus superman in TFA. She can fly the falcon better than Chewie. Why? Because JJ can't write realistic relatable characters that's why. Also Kylo is already irredeemable in TFA. Can't you just make Solo's death an accident caused by Kylo, so the next director has a lot more ambiguity to work with? With kylo heading the evil side so hard, you kind of have to make him a bad guy and ruin the reylo romance. And JJ never had the answer and never bother to figure out the falcon and the luke lightsaber mystery boxes he set up himself. TFA sucks. It's a sinking foundation. stephenthinkpad fucked around with this message at 09:31 on Jan 26, 2020 |
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JJ's understanding of space and time makes 12 Parsecs look like genius instead of a goof. He constantly pulls poo poo out of his rear end when he always writes himself into a corner. Killing Han was just empty. He dies but we learn nothing. It was a prime spot to find out what caused Kylo to go off the rails, what Han and Leia were doing the last 30 years. On top of that it removed the opportunity to get the Trio in the same room one last time. World and character building stuff. Phasma was a waste of time. We know nothing between Finn and her. You can go on like this for hours on how hosed up TFA is. I reckon had JJ did TLJ we would still get this:  - Heheee. Harley Quinn knocks another one out of the park. Opens up with a Dunking Donuts like corporate orientation VHS fronted by Lex Luthor for the Legion of Doom. Bain just too funny. *Joker wants to build some gently caress off tower with LoD money* Scarecrow: $600 Million that's a bargain?! Bain: I am still trying to get a chair...
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the new trilogy was just based on nonsense to begin with The first movie should be setting up the new story but it just kind of started by resetting the entire setting to the status quo of the original trilogy by farting out the exact same enemy (new order) out of NOWHERE and then just retreading the exact story. They literally just blow up a bunch of planets via an asspulled Super Death Star and say "well I guess we're back to rebels vs empire again!!1" It was very badly handled by JJ
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Fartbox posted:the new trilogy was just based on nonsense to begin with it was dumb, bad and unnecessary. lmao at trying to redeem TFA
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The moral of the story is never let JJ touch any trilogy especially not the planning stage of a trilogy. Is
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