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Doc M posted:Joruus C'baoth was supposed to be a clone of Obi-Wan or something, right? I've never actually read the Thrawn trilogy, but I do know it had a bunch of weird clone bullshit. No he's a clone of Jorus C'baoth. You can tell because of the second "u". I'm not joking.
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I did read the Thrawn trilogy back when it came out. Yes, there was a lot of clone stuff in there. The enemy used clone soldiers to supplement low numbers of troops, and a main antagonist was a clone of a Jedi master who had gone insane. I don’t know if he was originally supposed to be a clone of Kenobi. He did make a clone of Luke also, but that was cause he was insane (and so Luke’s love interest who had been hypnotized to kill him by Palpatine could fulfill Palpatine’s command without actually killing Luke). I gotta say I liked this trilogy better than the sequel trilogy we got, as convoluted as it was. Been a long time since I read it, but I still highly recommend it.
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Angry_Ed posted:No he's a clone of Jorus C'baoth. You can tell because of the second "u".
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Part 23: Post-Kashyyyk Roundup Last time, we helped the Wookiees free Kashyyyk of the Czerka slavers and found our third Star Map. Only the maps on Manaan and Korriban remain.  Before we head to our next destination, we have the usual assortment of party member chats to get through. Zaalbar's reputation on Kashyyyk has been fully restored and he has assumed his rightful place as the next Wookiee chieftain and the wielder of Bacca's legendary blade, so let's hear from the man of the hour first.    It will be a while before I know what my role will be in making Kashyyyk truly free. I have a lot to learn. You and I have important things to do, and I don't feel bad about leaving this time. I know I'll be welcomed back. Why did you request to take Bacca's Sword? I'm not sure I really know. Father expects much of me... I guess I do as well. I think, when I've learned enough, I'll bring it back to Kashyyyk. What happens then... we'll see. I wish you well. Let's get going. Zaalbar now truly respects us, even more so than he did when he swore his life-debt. Sadly, this is all the fresh dialogue he's going to get for the rest of the game, aside from some random comments here and there.  Next, we'll talk to Juhani. She seems troubled by something.    I never told you where I came from, did I? Where I grew up as a child? I suppose I was trying to deny what I was feeling. I have been wrestling with my feelings inside. Trying to come to terms with it, but I find I cannot. I must have someone to blame! Someone to blame for the destruction of my homeworld. Someone who is responsible for the death of everyone I have ever known except those on Dantooine!  Oh, crap.   Without your intervention the Sith would have had no cause to lay waste to my childhood!That... seems a little bit unfair. It's not as if we could've known the Sith were going to wreck the entire planet, and even if we had... well, what were we supposed to do, exactly? Turn ourselves in, let Malak take Bastila, and ensure the Sith win the war?  Obviously, Juhani is angry and not thinking straight, and she's just taking her anger out on us.  I hated that world, yet everything I learned as a child I learned there. It is as much a part of me as the air I breathe. I have this ache inside me where all my childhood memories lay, and I find your face there with them. If it was not for you, that world would still exist!  But it is so hard to lose your entire past. You would not understand. Yes... Yes I suppose it will. As long as we remain focused on our task it will. I am sorry. I will try not to distract you in the future with my trivial experiences. We should stop for now.I wouldn't exactly call her experiences trivial. She did lose her home world after all. That's gotta hurt even if she didn't like the place that much. In any case, Juhani has more to say, so let's talk to her again.   No, it is alright. I think I am over the worst of it. I apologize again for lashing out at you. It was not your fault. It was a horrible place to have to live. At least in the lower cities where the non-humans tended to get relegated. Living for years in a place with no sun, living off the trash dropped from the upper levels, and the meager pay doing back-breaking labor.  My family and I struggled each and every day to make something of our lives, but we could only go so far. Taxes from the corrupt government, more fees from the gangs controlling the streets, and whatever was left paying for what food and medical supplies we could afford. And of course there was the constant bigotry and hate from the more affluent and human citizens. Lording their wealth over us living below. Every once in a while a rich human would come down through the lower levels with his droid entourage just to see how the 'wildlife' lived... and laughed at the mockeries that were our successes. But I have come to meet many decent humans in my travels since those days. Indeed, some of the greatest people I have ever met are human.  I... I suppose I see something of her in you when I look... I am sorry... I am getting away from my point. If there even was one... Sometimes I curse the day my parents fled to Taris. But then again, if they had not, I would not be where I am today. Another story for another time. For now we must continue our own epic: To save the galaxy, if we can.We'll get back to her later, but right now we have other folks to chat to.  Bastila's next in line. Last time we talked, she was having some misgivings about the teachings of the Jedi.   Part of my purpose on this mission was to guide you in the way of the light; to help you avoid the temptations of the dark side. But I fear I've failed in that task. I don't think I'm the proper Jedi to guide you. I am no Master. You should have remained with the Council.  You have maintained the path of the light side. But it has been in spite of my influence, not because of it. It is increasingly obvious I am unable to guide you properly.  I simply hope that you are not the one who pays the price, ultimately, for the fact that I can't help you enough. While her concerns are understandable, Bastila is being way too hard on herself. As I mentioned before, we should help each other through any problems we might face.  Perhaps you can help me. And I will try to help you, if I can. Hopefully this will all work out, for the both of us. And for the sake of the mission.If the romance scene for a male protagonist didn't kick in before, this is definitely where it does. My memory is a bit fuzzy in that regard, but it doesn't really matter.  Carth seems troubled, as is often the case with him.  Bullshit.   I told you my wife died four years ago. I... I've just been trying to remember what she looked like. It shouldn't be so difficult. I can remember things about her... things she did. The way she smiled, what her hair smelled like, our last fight... just not her face. I try to hold it in my head but it's gone. Is... that strange? Maybe I shouldn't be talking to you about this.  I, uh... it must look really strange for me to be obsessing like this, still. You must think I'm incredibly stupid.Well, maybe.   The only thing that's kept me going since she died has been the need to find Saul and kill him. It's better to think about that than... anything else. If I can do that, then maybe I can let her go. Let it all go. If we encounter Saul... if we ever have the chance, promise me that I will be the one to kill him. I have to settle this... I need to.  Carth really wants to be the one to kill Saul if we ever run into him, but who knows how things will shake out? There's no way we can promise something like that.  Let's check in with our newest party member. Jolee is old and might keel over at any point, so he hangs out in the medical bay. Or maybe it's because it's the only bed we had left.   Unfortunately, Jolee doesn't have anything of note to tell us yet. Let's see what he has to say about Kashyyyk. He spent decades in the Shadowlands, so maybe he's got something interesting for us.   Chances are that by the time I finished telling you about it all, you would have found out for yourself. So there's no reason for me to start blathering on. It should be enough for me to tell you that there's kilometer after kilometer of trees on this planet. The deeper you go, the more dangerous it gets. If you're smart, you stay on top with the Wookiees. Go deep, however, and you may find some things you weren't expecting. And that's about all I got to say about that. Now let's get going.Nothing we didn't already know. Figures.   We'll get back to him in a bit.  Before we continue on with the round of conversations on the Ebon Hawk, we'll swap out our blue lightsaber crystal for a purple one. Green and purple, always a good combination. Next up, we've got Canderous with another war story.   Your stagnant Republic has never seen some of the strange creatures and races we fought on the Outer Rim in those years. Heh, and you never will now.  The main belt in the Crispin system consists of mainly small rocks covered in frozen methane gas shells and the pirates were using them for cover. Ha! I remember using a thermal generator to cause the outer layer of one of the asteroids to vaporize in a picosecond. It blew out and shredded the three smugglers using it for cover! But... that was a mistake...  But something must have been inside it... something inactive in the cold. The heat of my blast might have triggered something or woken something up. After I had hit, spots of light and heat appeared all over the thin shell still covering it, evaporating the gases. What lay underneath looked like some sort of rocky growth... a deformed rock pitted by scores of micrometeorite scars. I think something even older might have been inside that.  It started rotating - faster and faster as we watched it. After a second it started spraying fire - thermal projectiles that melted our armor like wax. We were caught completely by surprise. Before we could counter-attack, it fled at an incredible speed. Those who bothered to read the old Star Wars expanded universe novels for longer than I did (I tapped out around the time Kyp Durron stole the Sun Crusher) will know exactly what Canderous is talking about. This was a Yuuzhan Vong ship, appearing in the galaxy several millennia before the Yuuzhan Vong war. Someone more knowledgeable about bad Star Wars books than me can explain what happened in that storyline. Was that when R.A. Salvatore dropped a moon on Chewbacca?  We followed its trail as far as we could, heading away from the galactic core. When it finally led beyond the edge of our galaxy, we abandoned our efforts. Anything that wants to commit suicide in that great void is not worth our trouble trying to catch. That's the only story I have for now. I'll tell you some more stuff later, if we get the chance.The Vong, of course, came from that great void outside the edge of the known galaxy.  Canderous has another story to tell us, so let's hear it.  In one battle above the world of Althir, my unit managed to defeat a force of Althiri ten times our own size. That battle gained me command of an entire sub-sect of my clan.  My task was to assault one of their flanks with a false attack. The Althiri would be drawn out by the units I had sent in. Once they had surrounded those units, the bulk of my forces would attack from the rear and defeat them in detail.  While fending off our main force, they had let their fleet split in two! The center of their entire fleet was left exposed! I turned my forces and assaulted the center of their fleet, decimating them! Their slow, ponderous ship could not turn to face us without being overwhelmed. Their command vessels were destroyed in seconds. Their ranks were thrown into chaos. It was most amusing to watch the surviving ships scatter and flee. Several even tried to dive through the plane of the rings to escape us! They were shredded by the rings, or crashed into rocks, or were destroyed by our forces as we pursued them. Warriors do not flee from a battle if they are losing. They fight to the end! As we did against your Jedi Revan. Another time maybe I'll tell you about how the war with the Republic went. For now let's just get on with things.That did sound pretty spectacular. We'll hear about Canderous' experiences in the Mandalorian Wars later on, of course, but right now we've got other things to do.  We've finally got enough Repair skill to start fixing HK-47, so let's do this.   Access complete: I have restored a great deal of information about my previous owner, master. Would you like to hear it? Yes, let me hear it. I am unaware of his designation. He purchased me from an acquaintance I cannot identify, for the purposes of protocol and bodyguard duties.  Why can't you identify his acquaintance? Explanation: That previous owner is part of memories that are still deleted, master. It is customary for a droid's memory to be wiped when it is sold. This man needed a bodyguard? Observation: Not that I could perceive, master. The human believed that accompaniment by a bodyguard droid would increase his importance in the perception of others.Right. A low-ranking businessman spending some money on a status symbol. Nothing new about that sort of thing.   Err... that escalated quickly.  Say, do you have a habit of killing your masters? Just making sure.  Explanation: My former master had owned me for a duration of two standard months before discovering my assassination protocol. He was pleased by the discovery. The human informed me that a competitor corporation was preparing to market a product that would ruin him personally. He was most agitated. He activated my assassination protocol and instructed me to kill all those responsible for the competing product. I proceeded to carry out my order. We've heard about the protocol before, but not in any great detail.  I will go to whatever lengths, travel whatever distances are required, to complete the termination. This is the reason for my combat skills. Advisement: Unfortunately, the assassination protocol is currently non-functional. You will not be able to activate it. Why not? Answer: several of my actuators were damaged by my former owner. They cannot be repaired, master, sad though that is. My former master was unaware of this, but the competitor was in fact an arm of Systech Corporation, my master's own employer. It did not take long for my master to realize his mistake. By then, I had already terminated 104 corporate officers. Well, he's efficient, we'll give him that much. Quality construction and programming, most definitely.  I do not know why my master was so upset, really. He was an officer of Systech and a potential target, but I cannot terminate my own master. I would assume that being the sole officer remaining, he would surely be promoted. Instead, however, the human chose to go insane with rage and attack me.Poor HK, so misunderstood.   My master was not a smart man, however. While he was screaming and stabbing me with a writing utensil, he managed to pierce one of my actuators. The resulting shock terminated him and, sadly, destroyed my assassination protocol. Pure luck on his part, I suspect.  I shut down immediately whenever my master dies. I can only assume that while I was shut down Systech was dismantled and I was auctioned off as former corporate property. Observation: No doubt my sale price was quite cheap, leading to Yuka Laka's purchase. How very demeaning. Didn't they know what you had done? Statement: How could they? The vast majority of the officers had already been terminated. They likely assumed I was mere... chattel. What a horrible story! Statement: That hurts, master. This is my life you are talking about. I'm just glad I acquired you myself. Observation: So am I, master, though I apologize for not having an assassination mode to offer you.I think we're good, thanks.   But as for my own history... negative. It will require further effort on your part to restore them, if you wish... though certain stimuli could always restore my core, still, as I explained.HK-47 will gain various bonuses through your repairs, making him more effective in combat. This first repair gives him a permanent +2 DEX, which really helps considering he can only use blasters. That being said, if you're going to use HK-47 in your party, it might be a better idea to give him a set of flamethrowers and let him go to town. I'm sure he'd appreciate that as well.  That'll be all, HK-47. We'll be able to complete another set of repairs later, but sadly not all of them. Again, I'll be showing the dialogue off in some form, either by grabbing shots from the PC version with the help of the KotOR save game editor or just copy-pasting a transcript (probably the likelier option).    In any event, it's time for us to leave the giant forests of Kashyyyk behind. We're not heading to our next Star Map destination just yet, though, as we must pay a visit to Suvam at the Yavin station. There's also the fact we need to bring tach glands to Mission's brother Griff on Tatooine, so we'll be doing that as well.  Meanwhile, aboard Darth Malak's flagship...     Shall I hire another bounty hunter, Lord Malak? No mere bounty hunter can stand against a Jedi. I shall not make the same mistake again. It took me entirely too long to figure out the name "Bandon" came from "abandon".   Hey, we know that guy! That's Darth Whatever from the Endar Spire.    To demonstrate his prowess with the dark side and show what a badass  Thanks for that, Bandon. Hopefully, that computer didn't control anything important. It'd be a shame if the ship suddenly went down because some idiot wanted to show off his cool dark side powers to his boss.  "I'm so loving cool."   Darth Bandon's face vaguely reminds me of someone but I can't quite place it. In any case, it seems he'll be our next proper boss fight.  Of course, the crew of the Ebon Hawk is blissfully unaware of this new Sith Lord pursuing them.  Oh? Looks like Suvam's got some visitors.   What? You can't just rewrite our agreement whenever you feel like it! The Exchange won't stand for it! The Exchange is in no position to dictate orders anymore, Suvam...On the Xbox, these Trandoshans don't actually have voices for whatever reason. I could swear they added voiced lines for them on the PC version, but here they're completely quiet.  Hey, guys.  Tell you everything? What are you talking about? I don't have to clear everything through you! They're trying to extort me, that's what! They think that just cause the Exchange is gone, they can take whatever they want from me!  We're trying to sell off some of our vendor trash here, and the last thing we need is for Suvam to get blasted by one of these morons so we'll tell them to piss off.    No! No! Don't fight in here! You'll destroy everything! We'll be back for you, human... and you as well Suvam. Bye, guys. Somehow I get the feeling that's not the last time we see them.  Still, at least I ended up all in one piece, right? Suvam has some new items in stock, such as this Environmental Bastion Armor which makes the wearer immune to every type of environmental damage. Might be nice against droids with flamethrowers or freeze rays, actually, but it's also very expensive and none of the people we'll be putting in our party for any length of time are even able to equip medium armor.  An unlimited droid flamethrower for only 3000 credits? Sure! We'll also sell off some of the crap we've been lugging around, and leave the station with roughly 35,000 credits.  Now that we've left Kashyyyk, Jolee will actually talk to us properly.  So you wanted a ride on my ship? Or it could be for the free food. What's the gunk that comes out of the synthesizer on this bucket, anyway? Do you never clean the darned thing?  You know, you remind me of someone else I knew ages ago. Pleasant enough fellow, great destiny... all of that. Breath like a bantha.  Anyway, where was I? Oh, yes. Andor Vex, was his name. The Force swirled around him like a hurricane, that's how great his destiny was.  Well, it turned out that poor Andor believed a wee bit too much in the infallibility of that destiny. That overconfidence turned out to be his downfall.  Let's see... oh, yes. Andor's downfall. I was pretty young, myself, when it happened. At the time, I thought that Andor's destiny couldn't be more boring.  I was just about to abandon Andor to whatever the Force intended for him when his ship was overtaken by a Dimean warship. Now, you've probably never heard of the Dimeans, but at the time they were a nasty lot led by a nastier overlord named Kraat. Tall fellow. Big teeth. Kraat has us hauled onto the bridge of his ship for questioning, and that's when I knew that Andor's destiny was at hand.This oughta be good.   Well, Andor decides that his destiny makes him invulnerable and starts making all sorts of demands. Free me now, I'm not answering questions, blah blah blah. Don't you know who I am? Kraat decides he's had enough and begins crushing Andor's neck. I told the boy he should have kept his mouth shut. I think he agreed, too... or those could have just been gurgling noises. Well... well, anyway. Finally, Kraat has enough of Andor and tosses him aside into this giant energy intake shaft. Andor gets sucked in and starts bouncing around, heh, screaming... heh.Well. That certainly took a turn.  You're kidding... Everyone panics and I run, barely making it to the ship in time before the explosion. Kraat dies horribly, and the Dimeans never quite recovered. Changed the political course of the entire sector for centuries to come. I'd call that quite a destiny, wouldn't you?  You should do so well as to be sucked into the engine of some evil Sith Lord, you know. Andor was a hero... sort of.I think we should probably stay away from any starship engines in the near future.  Jolee is pretty great.  Anyway, as I said, we need to bring the tach glands to Mission's brother on Tatooine. No time like the present.  Well, not really, but we'll need to bring Carth along just in case we can activate his personal sidequest.  Oh. I didn't expect it to actually pop up here.   I was. I crashed. Ha ha ha! That's pretty rich. I can't imagine what it would take to keep you on the ground.  Sure am. We joined the militia together back on Telos. That was a lot of years ago, of course. So, what are you doing here, Jordo? The last time I saw you was on, um... well, Telos, actually. Yeah... it's a shame about home. Telos still hasn't recovered. The family and I moved on, and I'm working for Czerka now. I didn‘t see you after... er, what I mean is, my condolences on your wife. I heard what happened. At least your boy made it through alright.  No! Jordo, Dustil has been missing since the attack on Telos! Are you... are you absolutely certain it was him?! Yeah. I'd recognize Dustil anywhere. Positive. He's, uh... he's joined the Sith, Carth...What? Why in the hell would Carth's son join the Sith? That doesn't seem right. The Sith destroyed his home planet and killed his mother!  There's an academy for the Sith on Korriban. He's a student there. I saw him suited up in their outfit and everything. Sorry... I thought you knew. No... no, I... I didn't. Well, thanks for telling me, Jordo. Sure, no problem. Good to see you again, Carth. Hope everything works out with Dustil.Huh. Talk about a curve ball.  We probably should do that, yeah.   All this time I've thought he was... he must be a man by now...This is obviously very important to Carth, so I suppose we should head to Korriban next. It doesn't actually matter if you don't go to Korriban immediately, but since we don't have any particular reason to go to Manaan first, we might as well go to Korriban now.  Jordo simply disappears after the cutscene. Was he a ghost all along?   Yes, Dustil joining the Sith could be described as a "hitch". Maybe if we find him, he'll tell us why he joined the Sith because that just doesn't seem like a sensible move for him.  Carth levels up to 13 and learns Improved and Master Power Blast (+8 and +10 Damage respectively, -3 to hit) as well as Improved Rapid Shot. He also gains a DEX point.  Calo Nord's battle armor doesn't look that great, to be honest, but it does provide good defense. The maximum DEX bonus is reduced to +1, though.  Right then. Griff, we've got your monkey asses right here so you can brew Tarisian ale out of them.     Thanks, Mission. You won't regret helping me out with this!That remains to be seen.  Hey, sis, no need to worry about that. I've turned over a new leaf. From now on I'm going to stay out of trouble and do things right. And once we've cornered the market on Tarisian ale good things will be heading my way. Then I'll make it up to you, Mission. Just wait - you'll see!Sure, sure. Whatever you say, Griff.  You give me a couple hundred credits and I can get you in on the ground floor. You'll get a return of... oh, at least twenty times your investment! You already promised me a few thousand credits. Hey, don't worry, you'll get your credits as soon as we start mass producing that Tarisian ale. I just wanted to know if you were interested in an even bigger payoff. Well, we do have over 35,000 credits, so I think we can afford to humor him even though we're probably never seeing any of that money again.  I better get started on brewing that ale. Meet me back here later and I'll have a downpayment on what I owe you.I don't know if you actually have to leave the planet and come back, but I decided to do so just in case. While we're on the Ebon Hawk, we should talk to Mission as well.   I guess we'll find out when he meets up with us at the Czerka Corp shop. If he's got those credits he promised you then maybe there's hope for him yet.Alright then, let's return to the Czerka shop and meet with Griff.  Son of a bitch!  Oh, great.   Griff, you utterly useless moron.    Gone without a trace, we presume.   He was one of the worst employees I ever had. He was always on a break, he mixed up orders and I think he might have been stealing from me. I don't think we do.    Aww. At least for once he realized he had hosed up and bothered to apologize, probably for the first time in his life.  As the quest journal suggests, we'll never see Griff again. Good riddance.  I know it might look like it didn't make any difference in the end... Griff's in debt and on the run like usual. But at least I know we tried to help him.I think most people would've left him with the Sand People, or possibly strangled him with their own hands.   My brother is what he is, but I've learned to deal with that. I'll never forget that he looked after me when I was just a kid, but I don't feel like I owe him anything anymore.  drat right, Mission.  Before we leave, let's see if we can get anything else out of Carth.  I'll understand if we can't look for him right now, but if we could it would be a huge load off my mind.Well, as I said, we don't really have any reason not to go to Korriban before Manaan (except to spite Carth, which is understandable but we won't be doing that).  So, we have our next Star Map destination. What will we find on the Sith world of Korriban? Speaking of which, I just noticed Korriban is actually supposed to be the volcanic planet mentioned by the Builder computer on Dantooine. Sleheyron would've been the barren one, I guess. DMorbid fucked around with this message at 19:39 on Jan 27, 2020 |
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Doc M posted:I know that, but I meant in the original drafts before Lucas vetoed it. Yup. quote:Joruus C'baoth was originally supposed to be a mad clone of Obi-Wan Kenobi that survived the Clone Wars, but Zahn was forced to change the character's origin when Lucasfilm objected. He then created a new character—Jorus C'baoth—and his clone.[16] Jorus C'baoth's background, along with that of the Outbound Flight project, was later expanded on in Survivor's Quest and Outbound Flight by Timothy Zahn. Also, in general: quote:The Clone Wars, as described in the media before the Star Wars prequel films, were incredibly weird, with numerous timeline discrepancies.
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Yes, Vector Prime, the book where they introduced the Vong and was written by RA Salvatore was the one where Chewbacca got killed by the Vong dropping a moon on the planet he were on.
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Cooked Auto posted:Yes, Vector Prime, the book where they introduced the Vong and was written by RA Salvatore was the one where Chewbacca got killed by the Vong dropping a moon on the planet he were on. To be fair if you're going to kill off Chewbacca, dropping a moon on him is a pretty badass way to do it, if a bit ridiculous Also I didn't get very far in my playthrough over a decade ago so to learn that Jolee Bindo is basically Jedi Grandpa Simpson is pretty great, just need a "...which was the style at the time" tangent. Angry_Ed fucked around with this message at 20:56 on Jan 27, 2020 |
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Jan 27, 2020 20:28
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gently caress yeah Jolee stories.
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Jan 27, 2020 20:53
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Sometimes a million to one chance that saves a whole sector doesn't really go quite how you expected it to. 
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Angry_Ed posted:Jedi Grandpa Simpson We've found it. The best three word combination in the English Language.
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Destiny  Jolee is the best and I love that little bit of blue on his stat screen showing that hes not as grey as he thinks he is.
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Yeah, I’d peg him closer to “agnostic Jedi” than an outright gray one. He’ll happily still call out your bullshit if you act egregiously evil in front of him.
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Jan 28, 2020 06:21
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Makes me realize I never used Jolee as much as I should have.
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Jan 28, 2020 07:52
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I always thought Jolee was lame as a character. I still think so. Part of that is for spoilery reasons, but yeah pretty much I find myself disagreeing wit the thread on 80%+ of the game *shrug*.
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Regalingualius posted:Yeah, I’d peg him closer to “agnostic Jedi” than an outright gray one. He’ll happily still call out your bullshit if you act egregiously evil in front of him. Tired of everyone's poo poo is pretty much Jolee in his entirety. Your poo poo as main character especially.
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Jan 28, 2020 17:35
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Jolee is aware of Star Wars and fantasy cliches and calls them out the entire game, it rules.
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achtungnight posted:I did read the Thrawn trilogy back when it came out. Yes, there was a lot of clone stuff in there. The enemy used clone soldiers to supplement low numbers of troops, and a main antagonist was a clone of a Jedi master who had gone insane. I don’t know if he was originally supposed to be a clone of Kenobi. He did make a clone of Luke also, but that was cause he was insane (and so Luke’s love interest who had been hypnotized to kill him by Palpatine could fulfill Palpatine’s command without actually killing Luke). I gotta say I liked this trilogy better than the sequel trilogy we got, as convoluted as it was. Been a long time since I read it, but I still highly recommend it. The Thrawn trilogy is pretty straightforward, the complicated bits come in from trying to figure out what Thrawn is actually planning, as you'll get scenes like Thrawn talks about how he's so happy to get the cloaking technology from Mt. Tantiss, AND "one other bit of tech too" (I think is how the books say it), or where Thrawn is pleased when it seems to the audience that the attempt to make the cloaking tech work fails, only to show later how it works to his advantage Basically, the gist of the Thrawn trilogy is "What is the Empire had someone competent and militarily astute in charge, rather than just some dark evil sith lord." Thrawn is an evil Sherlock Holmes; he's not perfect and makes mistakes, but he constantly keeps the heroes on their toes and it really is a joy to read Luke, Leia, and Han trying to figure out how to get out Thrawn's traps or plans. I also really dig that none of the main three actually get to speak to Thrawn or have some big showdown mano-e-mao; Thrawn is conducting his campaign to build up the Empire in ships and men, and the OT trio are trying to stop him, because hundreds of ships and star destroyers are not going to be stopped by a single Jedi Knight, but Thrawn does what a Grand Admiral should do, stay on his ship and command battles, not get mixed up in the nitty-gritty of stuff, and the one time he does it costs him big. The Joru'us character is also pretty well done as far as insane characters are written. His interactions with Luke and Mara are especially both creepy and interesting. I think it was a good thing Joru'us did not turn out to be a Ben Kenobi clone. The Thrawn trilogy offers anyone who wanted to see a natural continuation of the original trilogy exactly that; Luke is unsure of how to re-start the Jedi Order and is kinda bumbling about, Leia is dealing with the politics of 'how do you re-start a Republic after 20 years of Empire', and Han is being, well, Han (As in he's supporting Leia was going on crazy adventures with Lando). Plus the new characters created for the trilogy are all pretty well inserted. It doesn't feel weird at all to see Luke and Mara interacting over the course of the trilogy, Talon Karrde's a believable smuggling king, Fey'lya is a believable smug/evil politician. There are a few minor inconsistencies in the books with regards to what the prequels released The Noghri and their length of service + Darth Vader's time as Dark Lord, some hints at what the Clone Wars were thought to be, but I brush that off because Lucas wasn't even consistent in the movies he himself wrote (Ben Kenobi tells Luke Yoda was his master, only to then have Qui-Gon Jinn in the prequels, dialog from Uncle Owen about Anakin vs what we saw in the prequels, etc.) Everyone should read the Thrawn trilogy.
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Jan 28, 2020 18:46
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I'm glad thrawn died in the end, because Kevin j Anderson would have hosed up his character so badly later
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Jan 28, 2020 19:17
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Shame the said can't be said for other characters.
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Jan 28, 2020 19:46
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I thought Thrawn was hella dumb even in like eigth grade. "And then Napoléon listened to a bunch of Mozart and knew just how to defeat the austrians"
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Jan 28, 2020 20:47
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:I thought Thrawn was hella dumb even in like eigth grade. "Your brushstrokes belie your weaknesses!" I say right before my own bodyguard shanks me in the back. My first exposure to Thrawn was TIE Fighter, so I ended up liking him more than I would have than if I had first learned that his defining feature was "analyzes art to completely understand a culture and therefore the way they fight"
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Jan 28, 2020 20:54
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:I thought Thrawn was hella dumb even in like eigth grade. I read them in middle school, and haven't thought about them since. I do remember that bit though, which struck me even at the time as pretty stupid. I kinda remember aliens that I thought were pretty cool, they were all hunched over and freaky-looking and they were the best warriors ever and so on and so forth. And they called Leia 'Lady Vader', which was so funny to me at the time that I remember it ~20 years later. After that I read two more Star Wars novels, which were both terrible and turned me off of Star Wars fiction. One was about a race of invading lizardmen who wanted to enslave the galaxy. They also had a little boy they had brainwashed into being their representative or something, and every time he communicated with the lizardmen it was super uncomfortable. The other was called The Crystal Star and I remember almost nothing about it except for Luke Skywalker uploading the soul of his love interest into a giant crystal computer, which was apparently cool and good. ...now to go see if I'm remembering these correctly. EDIT: The lizardmen slaver book is called The Truce at Bakura, and it's more or less what I remember. There is a Star Wars book called The Crystal Star, but the plot is totally different from the one I remember, so I guess I got it mixed up with a different book. EggsAisle fucked around with this message at 00:27 on Jan 29, 2020 |
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Jan 29, 2020 00:03
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EggsAisle posted:The other was called The Crystal Star and I remember almost nothing about it except for Luke Skywalker uploading the soul of his love interest into a giant crystal computer, which was apparently cool and good. I think you got the details of the Crystal Star a bit wrong at least based on me listening to a podcast readthrough of it. Also you forgot about WARU. And how could you do that.
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Jan 29, 2020 00:06
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Hmm, you're right, the info I can find on The Crystal Star is completely different. So I must have been thinking of a different book, which means I read more Star Wars books than I thought. And yeah, don't remember WARU at all.  I don't know what to tell you, except that it was middle school and I was, among other things, trying to figure out why I was simultaneously intensely attracted to and intensely annoyed by the girl who sat across from me in health class.In short, I hope I'm never called on as an eyewitness.
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Jan 29, 2020 00:20
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Part 24: The Sith Academy Last time, we listened to some of our companions' stories, such as Jolee's tale of one of his adventures from around the Old Republic year 199-dickety-1. They had to say "dickety" because Exar Kun took the word "fifty". We also visited Tatooine to confirm that Mission's brother is indeed a useless deadbeat, and were informed by Carth's old army buddy that Carth's son Dustil is still alive. The only hitch is that he's joined the Sith and was last seen at the Sith academy on Korriban, so we decided to set a course for Korriban in our search for the Star Maps.  You know the drill by now. Fly to the planet, see the Star Map in a vision.  See, there it is.    Here we are, at the Dreshdae settlement in the volcanic mountains of Korriban, the home world of the Sith. Korriban is known as Moraband in the current canon because George Lucas himself had it changed during the production of a Clone Wars episode, but it was recently established the planet used to be called Korriban in ancient times.  There are some who believe Korriban is the birth place of the Sith... this planet is an evil place. There are secrets here best left uncovered. I'm not so sure about that being a cave. It looked man-made. Also, I never noticed the mistake in Bastila's line there until someone pointed it out. I think she was meant to say "undiscovered" and no one caught that in time.  No doubt things will become more clear once we discover the Star Map's location.Bastila says that line every time. I cut it out from the Kashyyyk update, but this time we'll actually reply to it so I'm keeping it in. And yes, as Bastila suggested, the Star Map is most likely to be found within one of the ancient Sith tombs in the Valley of the Dark Lords. The existence of said tombs is not a spoiler, it is lore.  As the Sith are hunting Bastila, we probably shouldn't take her along on this particular trip.  For the safety of our mission I must remain on the Ebon Hawk while we are on this planet. Before we go check out Dreshdae, we should have another chat with Jolee. Since he joined late, he'll have a lot of dialogue for us to catch up on.  No, I never did, did I?  At any rate, I already told you why I wanted to leave. I'd seen everything I wanted to on Kashyyyk. Time to go, time to move on.   How many kilometer-high trees can you find an interest in before you figure you've had enough? I'd bet you can't be bothered to stay in one room for more than fifteen minutes. And then there's all the critters in the Shadowlands... I'm just happy to be back in space, doing something new. Is that too much to ask?Eh, fair enough. 20 years in the Shadowlands would be long enough for anyone.   I'll admit... for all its flaws, Kashyyyk was home enough. But when you came along and I saw the destiny you had before you, I couldn't help but be intrigued.  In fact, everything about you that I can see is odd. Slightly off, as if my eyes are trying to trick me. Something... something is very dark about you... but bah! I'm sure you don't need to hear my ruminations. You've probably got enough nosy Jedi offering you one opinion after another to make you sick. I'll remind you that *you're* the one who started pumping me for information. Like an old man doesn't have anything better to do. Hmph. I wouldn't worry about it too much, if I were you. You remind me a bit of Nomi, heh heh, and that can't be all bad.Nomi Sunrider namedrop!  Nomi Sunrider. She came late to the Force, just as you have, and became one of the greatest Jedi ever. Oh, fine, fine lass. Whether you'll follow the same path remains to be seen. For one thing, we'll never get anywhere if you stand around chatting up old men all day...LucasArts/BioWare weren't actually supposed to use Nomi's full name due to the legal shenanigans I mentioned in an earlier update, but it apparently slipped in as a result of an oversight.   One thing I will say is that this little escapade does remind me a bit of my adventuring days before the war. Ahh, those were exciting times. Or at least it would remind me of those times if we didn't stand around. What's keeping you? You're too young to be so talkative. Shoo! Shoo!Okay, we'll leave the old man in peace for now. We have a Star Map and Carth's long-lost son to find, so let's mosey.  Obviously, since we're looking for Carth's son, we have to take Carth. We'll swap him out later. Juhani gets to come along because, well, we haven't used her in the party yet. Besides, another Jedi might come in handy.  Welcome to Dreshdae. This place is very brown.  First off, we'll get Juhani up to speed. As a Jedi Guardian, she has a lot more health than any of the other Jedi party members, although her starting STR was still only 13 so we put a couple more points into it to improve her lightsaber skills. She also comes with Slow, which is a dark side power (the only one she has), and interestingly she has none of the combat feats aside from the first level of Power Attack. She doesn't have the Stasis power either (and couldn't have it when she joins, because she's level 7 and Stasis unlocks at 9), which is odd because she used it on our party members when we first encountered her. Then again, Cutscene Stasis is a very special power that can only be used when the plot calls for it, so we'll let that slide.  To improve her damage output, we'll give Juhani a short lightsaber for her off hand. We didn't have enough available feats to get Master Two-Weapon Fighting yet, so I figured she should use a balanced weapon to reduce the main hand penalty until then. Our short lightsabers only come in purple and red, so we'll have to switch out the color crystal the next time we use a workbench. Can't have two people in the party with the same off-hand lightsaber color, you know.  Now then, let's get the usual formalities out of the way.    You will get into the academy for certain. I understand Jedi who have left the light side are made very welcome. There was originally a short rant here about the existence of a Sith academy seeming a bit weird due to the Rule of Two thing and everything, but I looked into it and found out the Rule of Two wasn't established until 3,000 years after the events of KotOR. I could've sworn there was in-game lore that mentioned it, but I guess not. Never mind then!  Since you're a regular to our little colony, the docking fee is only 25 credits. Considering the fact we're walking around with 35,000 credits, persuading this guy to avoid paying the 25-credit fee comes across as awfully petty. We're still doing it, of course.  I'll be on my way. Enjoy your stay in Dreshdae.I don't see any reason why we wouldn't.  What's all this, then?  Ah, this must be one of the Sith from the academy.   Hmph. I'm no master... yet... but I like the sound of that. Alright, one more question, though the lot of you are trying my patience. Alright. Let's say you become a Sith and I am your commanding officer. I give you an order to spare the life of an enemy. Do you do it?Uh... no, I don't think you would do that.    Mercy is a weakness. If your leader shows weakness, it is your duty to kill him and show true authority... true power. That is why the Sith are strong.Anyone even remotely familiar with the Sith should know perfectly well that they don't give orders to spare their enemies' lives unless it's an extremely special case - say, someone like Bastila.  No, you don't understand. And you probably never will. You wouldn't survive five seconds in the academy... the other students would tear you apart! Bah! I can't be bothered with fools! Perhaps... I should... hmmm.Shaardan seems to have noticed our presence.  Let me pose a question to you. These hopefuls will never survive in the academy. A lesson must be taught, here, but I am at a loss as to what form it should take. Thank you, Carth.  I'm thinking to spare them the effort of being killed and do it myself. Perhaps I shall turn their skin inside out? Or Force Lightning? It is a most impressive display. Or perhaps a bit of humiliation is in order? I could easily strip off their tunics and make them run through the colony. Or they could lose all control of their bodily functions... What do you think? I just can't seem to decide.What do I think? I think there is no loving way this scrub-tier Sith student can actually use Force lightning. At least I would hope not, because I would vastly prefer the lightning being a very special Force talent that is exclusively used by powerful Sith Lords like Palpatine.  I also think Shaardan should piss off and leave these guys alone.  Silence! It's not what they did so much as what they didn't do... which is prove themselves worthy. I'm exhausted from dealing with their mewlings... so please decide for me, will you?  I can think of a couple of reasons.  Surely, dicking around with these weak losers, murdering them for no reason or pulling humiliating pranks on them is beneath a true Sith? An Exar Kun or a Darth Revan wouldn't even acknowledge these people.  Shaardan is trying way, way too hard to be a badass Sith, which is understandable because he is only a student and wants to prove he's got what it takes.  The hopefuls leave with their lives and dignity intact. Maybe they'll learn not to try to join the Sith?  Let's see if this fellow working the front desk has anything useful to say.    Ah. That might come in handy.   There are a lot of Sith on this planet; this is where they come to study. Obnoxious brats, the lot of them. Just between you and me, I'll never understand why everyone thinks 'dark side' and 'hooligan' should be the same thing.That's what I've been saying about this game's writers for the entirety of this LP!  What connections do you have? Mandalorian raiders occasionally drop by, needing to get rid of some extras that they can't sell in the civilized systems. They treat me well, I treat them well. It works out. So if you need weapons... and you probably will... this is the place to come. B'ree doesn't actually have anything we need, so we'll continue on.  Lovely, a welcoming party.  So unfair, I tell you.     That's what I thought. Well, stranger... I don't know whether you're aware of this or not, but here on Korriban the Sith do as they please. And we are Sith. Quite literally, whether you live or die depends upon our whim. What do you think of that, hmm?We're positively quaking in our boots.  Two of the dialogue options here (the ones we didn't pick ) lead to Lashowe asking if we know how many Sith there are in Dreshdae. There are some pretty funny lines from your party members there, including Jolee replying with "Twelve? No, wait, thirteen!" which he gets complimented on by Canderous if both are in the party.  Neither did I. A brave face, perhaps, but I'm more interested in being amused at the moment, I think.The Sith never were known for their sense of humor, so that might pose a problem.  Well, if you insist.  Go on.  It is a fairly old joke, to be fair.  He gasps: "My partner has collapsed! I don't know what to do!" After a moment, the commander responds: "Calm down, I can help." And then? "First, let's make sure your partner is dead." There is a silence, then a blaster shot is heard. Back on the communicator, the Mandalorian says: ”Okay, now what?"Brilliant.  Shut up, Carth. That was a good joke.   Well, at least the Sith found it amusing.   Having been sufficiently entertained, Lashowe and her Sith buddies leave, but since she is a named NPC we're sure to run into her again soon enough.  To our left is a door that is painted on, and to the right is a Czerka office. We don't particularly want to deal with Czerka, but maybe they could give us some information.  Oh no! What a tragedy!  That would truly be awful.    We do some mining here and are responsible for local shipping and support of the Sith on Korriban.Why is he wearing the Sith academy uniform?  This office is actually our administrative headquarters for this region. Rather inauspicious, isn't it? We offer good prices here to those traders that keep the colony supplied. If you're in need of anything, this is the place to come. We'll buy some life support packs and hyper-adrenal stimulants just in case, but aside from those there isn't much we'd need at the moment. I'm sure that armor of Exar Kun is 100% authentic, though.  Well, this guy looks shifty.     I suppose we should be grateful that the shipment survived Taris at all, though, right? Anyway... hand it over and let's finish this.Err, which shipment was that again?    Probably not worth it to go into too much detail about how we came into possession of the Ebon Hawk.  We had arranged for several kilograms of spice to be shipped to us here aboard the Ebon Hawk. Perhaps Davik left it on board? I suspect if it is, it would be in the container we gave him. Locked and requiring a code. Might you have seen such a thing, human?We did see a strange, locked container in the cargo hold. It said something about requiring a code.  Excellent. Set the code on the container to "Red-47". When you get the spice, bring it to me here... I'll wait for you.And there's our code. Let's just quickly drop by the Ebon Hawk again and check out the container.   [The hidden compartment is now unlocked.]  That's our shipment. Well, Davik's shipment, I guess, but who cares. I don't think Jedi are supposed to smuggle spice across the galaxy, but for Zila this must feel like a blast from the past.  While we're aboard the Hawk, let's change the color of Juhani's short saber to yellow for the sake of variety.  Alright, Lurze, we've got your stuff.  So you do. That does, indeed, look like the amount that Davik promised. Very well... 1000 credits is yours in exchange for the spice. If we're gonna be smuggling spice, we want to get paid properly.  Here you are. You drive a hard bargain, human. Allow me to take the spice off your hands. My employers will be most pleased. Tell me... might you be interested in earning more credits? Well, sure. We're not trafficking more spice, are we?  There is no danger involved, human, so long as you do not attempt to open the box yourself. I'm sure Motta will pay you what was promised to Davik for the delivery. I believe 2000 credits was the agreed upon sum.Never mind spice, this sounds even shadier than the usual smuggling work Zila's done in the past. What exactly is this box?   We're totally opening that box.  Is it one of those poison worms that killed Andur Sunrider?  Not suspicious at all, nosiree.  I suppose I would eventually have to, should you refuse. You are already here, however, and you have a ship... it is most convenient to have you deliver the box. Make it 3000 credits and we have a deal. If you want more you bargain with Motta, not me. He's the one you'll be working for on this mission. It's his box, after all. Bring it to him and you can haggle all you want over the price. Although I should warn you that Motta doesn't like to renegotiate.Motta is an old friend of ours, so I'm sure we'll be able to come to a mutually satisfactory agreement.  Very good. I will have some of my workers load the box onto the Ebon Hawk for you. It will be waiting there for you. Remember: do not open the box!We will absolutely open the box, albeit not in a little while.  I'm not sure we want or need his employers' gratitude, but never mind.  I'm surprised the Sith approved a name like that for the cantina. It's a pretty good name, but somehow I get the feeling the Sith would think it was making fun of them.  NO  Hopefully these guys don't want to play Pazaak.     The Hawk's been in and out of here for ages. An out-of-the- way starport is a good place for, uh... privateers. Not saying you are one.  Wouldn't make any difference to me. Just wish I had a ship like that, myself. Business is steady here with the Sith, but it's a boring haul. In case you're forgetting, partner, they don't exactly want us talking about their business. Ah, who cares about them? I've seen some of those things they're digging up in those ruins in the valley. Pretty creepy, if you ask me.That sounds like it might actually be relevant to our Star Map search, so let's see if these pilots can tell us anything else about the excavations.    There were Sith here in ancient times? Sounds like he was feeding you a line. Korriban's only been settled for a short time. So says you. He said that the planet was settled by the Sith a long time ago, and then they all left or something. Those tombs are really important to them. Tombs, hey? That makes the stuff they send us even creepier. Wish I didn't have to haul it around. Do please tell us more.  How would one get to one of these excavations, exactly? It's in a valley on the surface, beyond some mountains to the east. No land route... that's why they have us fly in.No problem there. We could just take the Ebon Hawk to the Valley of the Dark Lords and find the tomb with the Star Map.   Or maybe we can't.  Not a chance. You'd be better off sneaking through the academy, if you wanted to go to the valley. Hah! Now that'd be a sight to see. I'll be going. Sure thing. Good flying, friend.Right. It seems flying to the valley is out of the question, and our only option is apparently to sneak through the Sith academy. That doesn't exactly sound inviting either, if it is even possible, but what else can we do? We need to find the Star Map.  Let's talk to the bartender before we start planning our next move.  You know something about the Ebon Hawk? Only what I hear from rumors, sentient. The Hawk has been a frequent visitor to Korriban in the past, though often with a different owner. In all fairness, I should tell you that many of the past owners were suspected of being smugglers, slavers and pirates. It was even whispered that some worked for the Exchange. But I always found the Hawk's owners to be excellent citizens of fine character. The kind of people I prefer to do business with. Much better than the Sith, at least.  The Sith are not always pleasant in their dealings with others. If I had a say, I would prefer they and their academy were not present here. But I do not.We could ask him about the excavations or the academy, but let's just get going.  What do you think your chances are? I thought they were good... but I've been here for days, now, and I haven't drawn any attention at all.So that's how you get to the Sith academy? Stand around and hope one of the Sith notices you and lets you join?    Then again, you don't really join the Jedi, do you? They take you in when you're a child and train you from an early age, unless you're an adult who's especially strong in the Force like Zila is. Even then, it took a lot of convincing for the Council to train her. Juhani did mention she joined the Jedi, presumably at a relatively late age as she seems to have grown up on Taris, and didn't say anything about noticing any Force sensitivity during that time.  *sigh* I wish I knew, to tell you the truth. You have to impress one of the Sith, I guess. Either way, it's Yuthura Ban who makes the final decision. She's a Twi'lek Sith master, I hear. Very high rank. She's the one who decides which hopefuls make it and which ones don't. Where is this Yuthura Ban? I really couldn't say. I hear that sometimes she comes out into the colony to drink at the cantina, though, but I guess she could be anywhere. Okay then. Let's look around some more.  That'd be the Sith academy up ahead. Maybe they'll let us through to the valley if we ask nicely. Probably not, though.  But first, let's admire the view a little. Korriban isn't much for colorful terrain, but it does have a really nice skybox.  What's going on here?  Err... okay then.   Good luck?  I sense another case of Sith students bullying the hopefuls.    Isn't that obvious? You must be very sharp to possess such an astute sense of perception. Obviously deaf, however, since I asked you to leave. Fine, I'll leave you alone. What a lovely fellow.  As much as we don't want to admit it, it does seem our best bet for getting into the Valley of the Dark Lords is to join the Sith academy. It's risky, but we don't really see any other option available to us.   You must be admitted to the academy. That decision must be made by a Sith who has already been accepted, here. The final decision, however, remains with Master Yuthura. I believe she is currently at the cantina if you wish to seek her out. Now go.Well, if we're going to join the Sith, we'll need to talk to this Yuthura Ban person. We didn't see her at the cantina earlier and I'm not sure how she could've gotten there without us noticing, but let's not dwell on that.  That's gotta be her.   Not really, but she doesn't need to know that.    We wield ultimate power, my friend. To be a Sith is to taste freedom and to know victory. Nothing is as glorious as bending the Force to your will. A lot of the hopefuls here end up dead. That doesn't seem glorious. We make no apologies for the weak. If you cannot clench your fist and know when the moment comes to strike, there is no place for you amongst us. Of those who come to train, those who are weak return home. If they are both weak and foolish, they die... but it was their choice to come. And what about the Jedi? Why would you take a gift as glorious as the Force and squander it? Weaken yourself deliberately and shackle yourself to outdated mores? Our gift has made us superior. It is our rightful place to rule. How can any deny that? Yet the Jedi do so... and call us 'evil' because we do not.I'm pretty sure people call you evil because you destroy planets, not because you have a different philosophy regarding the Force.   That is our way: survival of the fittest. You are always on guard, always lean for the kill. We promote it, for through this the Sith are stronger. You kill each other? If a Sith has proven to be weak... and if the time is right. The Force rewards the cunning and the mighty. Step up to the challenge if you dare... or turn tail and run.   Here we go.  Obviously you are a Jedi. One who is very strong in the Force, it seems. So were you part of the order for very long? Did they train you? That's the truth, at least.  With that kind of power, you could become a great Sith. Perhaps... if I let you. Does that interest you? This is a hard Persuade check. If you don't lie, it's an easy check but you actually earn some dark side points from it. There is also a way to convince Yuthura without persuading her, since otherwise you'd be screwed if you weren't playing a talky character. You do this by obtaining a Sith medallion from some idiot Sith thugs trying to harass civilians and taking that to Yuthura. Once you get the medallion, you can also go and persuade the hopefuls in front of the cantina to either go home or try to prove their mettle by jumping off a cliff or attacking one of the Sith. You actually earn more experience by getting the medallion first, but it doesn't really matter in the long run.  I will take you to the academy and we shall see if you are ready to join the ranks of the Sith. I have only one other question. These... companions of yours? They will not be coming with you, I presume?Oh, right.  Perfect. She'll totally believe us.   No matter. Make sure they don't disturb your training or cause trouble. You are responsible for them. Now... are you ready to go to the academy?Somehow, Yuthura actually DOES believe this obvious lie and completely fails to notice that Juhani is a Jedi. I realize they had to figure out some way to get your companions into the academy with you, but the way they went about it is very, very silly.  In any case, we're ready to head to the academy and begin our illustrious career as a Sith.  Let's go.   That must be the master himself.   Oh, shut up, Shaardan. Go practice your Force lightning.  Err... let's see.  Sure, that'll do.   The Jedi equate the light with goodness and strength and the dark with weakness and evil. That is their tradition and it is truly no surprise that they cling to it for comfort. We, however, do not treat the Force as a burden. We treat it as a gift, a thing to be celebrated. We use it to acquire power over others... and why should we not? Because the Jedi say we should not?That spiel of his almost sounds convincing.  Joining with us means realizing your true potential. It means not stifling yourself solely for the sake of hide-bound shamans and their antiquated notion of order. Be what you were meant to be. What say you, Lashowe? Are you ready to learn the secrets of the dark side? Dare you? Our friends from Dreshdae are all here, because of course they are.   Mekel was the one making all the hopefuls stand at attention in front of the academy entrance.   Shaardan needs no introduction.  And you, young human? Does this interest you? Are you ready to learn more of what I speak?  Ask yourself first what this 'morality' is? How is it created? Who does it benefit? Where do your notions of 'good' and 'evil' come from? You may come to the realization that morality is but an obstacle to overcome... or not. The discovery is yours to make, should you be ready.Whatever you say, Master Uthar.  The one who succeeds will be admitted to the academy as a full Sith. All others must wait until next year and try again... if you survive. My pupil, Yuthura, shall be your teacher and master while you attempt to prove yourselves. Heed her words.Wait a second. Five of us? Zila, Lashowe, Mekel, Shaardan... I'll admit I'm not great at math, but I'm 99% sure that's four. Where's the fifth recruit? (We'll actually meet him next time and if you squint you can see him in this scene as well, Uthar just doesn't address him for whatever reason)  What is an act of worth? You must learn that for yourselves. Remember that you are competitors, here... fight for your destiny, or go home. If you wish to gain a lead over your competitors, the first of you to learn the Code of the Sith and tell me of it will be rewarded.So, the Sith have their own code as well. Makes sense, I suppose. Naturally, we have no idea what that code entails, so first we're gonna have to learn that.  Was this such a great idea after all?  We now have our own Sith passcard, so we can come and go between the academy and Dreshdae as we please.  The footlocker in our quarters contains some medpacs, 150 credits and our very own Dark Jedi Knight Robe. We already stole a couple of those off the Dark Jedi we killed on Tatooine and Kashyyyk, but I suppose it's nice to get our own set of these robes.  If ever, now is the time to put these threads on. After all, if we're gonna be a Sith, we need to look the part! Pay no mind to the fact everyone else is wearing the Sith academy uniform. Gotta say, we pull off the Dark Jedi look quite nicely. Next time, we'll explore the academy and start earning some prestige, and hopefully find Carth's son. DMorbid fucked around with this message at 15:04 on Jan 29, 2020 |
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Thrawn was cool mainly cause he was a pretty good Evil Emperor without being a murderhobo, unlike every other Empire high-up ever
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Jan 29, 2020 01:08
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I’m betting Carth’s son got zapped by Darthensmirtz’s Sith-inator! Yes, I’ve been watching Phineas & Ferb lately, why do you ask? Slow is a Dark Side power? It’s also the most basic Force Power in Fallen Order. Dang... The Rule of Two is always more of a guideline than a Rule. You can always have a secret apprentice to betray your master with, or your official apprentice. And if Sith need Force using mooks for some reason those are exempt.
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Jan 29, 2020 01:40
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We're far enough in the past that the Rule of Two hasn't been invented yet. You don't need to do deep lore dives to figure that's what Bioware's running with.
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MightyPretenders posted:We're far enough in the past that the Rule of Two hasn't been invented yet. You don't need to do deep lore dives to figure that's what Bioware's running with.
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Jan 29, 2020 02:20
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According to Bane, Kaan's Brotherhood of Darkness are the Old Sith Technically
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Jan 29, 2020 02:28
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It'd have been funny if they'd let you take Bastila with you onto Korriban. It's the last place they'd expect her to be! "What, the one Jedi everybody's hunting for, right here on the Sith homeworld? Ha ha, that's a good one."
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Jan 29, 2020 02:43
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It makes absolutely no difference to the story and is actually probably detrimental from a gameplay perspective given that these jerks all have lightsabers, but I typically brought the droids along to the academy because nobody ever pays attention to a droid.
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Jan 29, 2020 02:59
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Not too surprisingly, Korriban is really fun to play as a dark side character. It almost feels like they wrote the dark side options starting from here and just spun them out from that point.
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Darth Bane? Not even gonna make the token effort, huh? Just roll with the name that sounds like an edgelord self-insert from some garbage fanfic...? Sure, why not. I give credit to Bioware's writers here- Darth Malak, Darth Revan, Darth Bandon, those are all perfectly serviceable and respectable Sith names. They are exactly as (un)subtle as they ought to be, no more and no less.
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Jan 29, 2020 05:42
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I mean, what makes you think it's not an edgelord self-insert from a garbage fanfic? Just because it got published? 
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Jan 29, 2020 06:47
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Darth Sidious, Maul, Tyranus, and Plagueis all sound like edgelord names to me. Darth Vader too, if you know Vader means father in Dutch and he’s Luke’s father. All are canon.
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Jan 29, 2020 07:11
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Doc M posted:
Bastila treats secrets like marinara sauce: she leaves them uncovered.
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Jan 29, 2020 14:44
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Wow, how did I never notice that? The same reason no one at BioWare noticed, I guess.
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Jan 29, 2020 14:57
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Wait, everyone on planet sith recognizes the ship and knows who the previous owner was? Malak definitely knows we escaped on that ship as he picked up the former owner whathisname who tracked us down on tatooine. Bastila thinks she will be recognized here as the sith are actively looking for her. You'd think they'd have time for a short message. Anyway this section reminds me of a part of Jade Empire for some reason.
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achtungnight posted:Darth Sidious, Maul, Tyranus, and Plagueis all sound like edgelord names to me. Darth Vader too, if you know Vader means father in Dutch and he’s Luke’s father. All are canon. Look, Sith pick their names when they're, like, 13, and then are stuck with them. It's like a forty-year-old car salesman whose email is xxsephirothsharinganxx@gmail.com.
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