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Thanks for the help. I just realized I rushed into posting without posting the background info. Sorry  Country USA Usage Really just for gaming, though my friend said in passing he might look into AutoCAD to do a little work at home. Budget $700-800 Quality 1080p 60Hz. High settings, but neither of us needs to max anything out.
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Klyith posted:You will need an AM4 mounting kit for your cooler. Yeah, saw the pcpartpicker warning, doesn't seem to be readily available though. Might try to sell it with the rest of the old rig and buy a new cooler. big crush on Chad OMG posted:What games are you playing where the 4690 isn’t keeping up? I have bad frame drops in FPS's when lots of action happens in close combat, mainly Apex Legends atm. Noticed that a windows process was using a chuck of CPU yesterday due to constant error generation, seems to have been going on for a month or so. Windows refresh seems to have fixed that so its not as bad anymore, might wait with the upgrade. Groen fucked around with this message at 17:52 on Jan 27, 2020 |
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Mu Zeta posted:Are you really going to buy the Meshify C without the glass panel? Never seen someone do that. I did and my next eventual case won't have a window either.
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Shaocaholica posted:80s cable management To be fair, this is still the case in a lot of enterprise servers 
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Scruff McGruff posted:To be fair, this is still the case in a lot of enterprise servers That was a deskptop but sure, enterprise stuff is still miles better than consumer/gamer.
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Sininu posted:I did and my next eventual case won't have a window either. I want to see my beige fans
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What country are you in? USA What are you using the system for? Playing video games, but not anything bleeding edge or at the highest settings - being able to hit Medium/High at 1080p/60 FPS is sufficient; Multimedia server for videos for family What's your budget? 800ish If you’re doing professional work, what software do you need to use? N/A If you're gaming, what is your monitor resolution / refresh rate? Would be hooked up to a 65" Samsung UN65JU6400 TV (3840x2160 resolution, 60 Hz refresh rate) I'm basically looking to build a "Budget 1080p at 60 FPS" machine from the tiered PC build guide post, but it appears that information is out of date. I'm looking to hook it up to the same 65" 4K TV that all my game systems are hooked up to, which I know isn't ideal per se, but is needed for ease of use by my family for gaming and multimedia uses. I care very little about the level of graphics as long as it will run smooth at 60 FPS, Low/Medium/High are perfectly fine. I'm usually a couple of years behind on PC games anyway, so something that can play stuff like The Witcher 3, Return of the Obra Dinn, Final Fantasy XII, West of Loathing, Stardew Valley, Skyrim, etc. is all that is really necessary. I'm moving from a Lenovo Y40 laptop (last desktop I built was 12 years ago) so anything is going to be a big upgrade. PCPartPicker Part List CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 2600 3.4 GHz 6-Core Processor ($119.99 @ Amazon) Motherboard: MSI B450 TOMAHAWK MAX ATX AM4 Motherboard ($114.99 @ B&H) Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V Series 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory ($69.99 @ Newegg) Storage: Western Digital Blue 1 TB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive ($109.99 @ Amazon) Video Card: XFX Radeon RX 580 8 GB GTS XXX ED Video Card ($159.99 @ B&H) Case: Phanteks Eclipse P400A ATX Mid Tower Case ($77.98 @ Newegg) Power Supply: Corsair CX (2017) 550 W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($39.99 @ Newegg) Total: $692.92 Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-01-27 16:05 EST-0500
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Klungar posted:What country are you in? USA You can use the 1600AF instead of the 2600 to save money and get equivalent power, and then you should probably just get an ASRock Pro4 motherboard. There's also a WD Blue NVMe drive less expensive than that SATA version, and then you can put those savings towards a better PSU. For a video card, an RX 580 could be acquired for much cheaper on the used market in 2020. Honestly, though, I might think about getting something like an RX 5700 for your use case; you could run many titles in 1440p on your 4K TV and maybe even get away with 4K native in some less demanding titles. If you're planning on eventually getting a cheap 1080p monitor and want to get something new, though, you could just get a GTX 1660 Super. PCPartPicker Part List Motherboard: *ASRock B450M PRO4 Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard ($74.98 @ Amazon) Memory: G.Skill Aegis 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory ($64.99 @ Newegg) Storage: Western Digital Blue SN550 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive ($99.99 @ Newegg) Video Card: XFX Radeon RX 5700 8 GB DD Ultra Video Card ($309.99 @ Amazon) Case: Phanteks Eclipse P400A ATX Mid Tower Case ($77.98 @ Newegg) Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA G1+ 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply ($96.98 @ Newegg) Custom: AMD Ryzen 5 1600 (12nm) 3.2 GHz 6-Core Processor ($85.00) Total: $809.91 Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available *Lowest price parts chosen from parametric criteria Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-01-27 16:49 EST-0500 Demostrs fucked around with this message at 22:57 on Jan 27, 2020 |
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Demostrs posted:You can use the 1600AF instead of the 2600 to save money and get equivalent power, and then you should probably just get an ASRock Pro4 motherboard. There's also a WD Blue NVMe drive less expensive than that SATA version, and then you can put those savings towards a better PSU. So just to clarify, I can downgrade the CPU/MB because I don’t need bleeding edge graphics, and the benefit of the better video card is to be able to run at a higher native resolution?
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Klungar posted:So just to clarify, I can downgrade the CPU/MB because I don’t need bleeding edge graphics, and the benefit of the better video card is to be able to run at a higher native resolution? CPU has nothing to do with graphics, it just sets a cap on fps as fast as it can handle all the other game code. And the 1600AF is literally a 2600 but cheaper for reasons only AMD knows.
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Klungar posted:So just to clarify, I can downgrade the CPU/MB because I don’t need bleeding edge graphics, and the benefit of the better video card is to be able to run at a higher native resolution? The 1600AF is actually a Zen+ instead of a Zen chip so it really isn't a downgrade as much as it is a way to save money (the Pro4 is also fairly feature equivalent to the Tomahawk), but yeah, getting something more powerful than it only matters for 120hz+ gaming. You only need to clear the threshold of your display's refresh rate, and the 1600AF does that. Therefore, the concern for you is the amount of pixels pushed each frame, which scales with the GPU.
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Klungar posted:So just to clarify, I can downgrade the CPU/MB because I don’t need bleeding edge graphics, and the benefit of the better video card is to be able to run at a higher native resolution? https://www.gamersnexus.net/hwreviews/3547-amd-r5-1600-af-cpu-review-best-cpu-under-100 Here's an article that might help explain the CPU thing to you if you want to read up on it. It's not a downgrade, it's pretty much the exact same chip for less money.
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PCPartPicker Part List CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 3600X 3.8 GHz 6-Core Processor ($209.99 @ Newegg) Motherboard: ASRock Fatal1ty B450 Gaming-ITX/ac Mini ITX AM4 Motherboard ($123.98 @ Newegg) Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory ($74.99 @ Newegg) Total: $408.96 Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-01-27 19:54 EST-0500 I'm swapping out the i5-6600k + Z170 in my current system for this CPU/Mobo listed above. The RAM I listed is the exact kit I currently have and hope to reuse. Should I expect any issues? I see there are CL16 2933 "AMD" versions for sale. It is just a simple set XMP profile and it'll know what to do type thing like on my Intel system? Anything else I might need to know about RAM and Ryzen?
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owls or something posted:PCPartPicker Part List Nah you're fine. Just set XMP and you're good to go.
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owls or something posted:PCPartPicker Part List The 3600 performance is almost identical and is $30 cheaper. The 3600x does have a better cooler but it's not amazing or anything.
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Mu Zeta posted:The 3600 performance is almost identical and is $30 cheaper. The 3600x does have a better cooler but it's not amazing or anything. Yep! I received the 3600X as a gift. I only bought the motherboard and a $7 AM4 mounting bracket for my current Noctua cooler. Strictly just wondering about RAM compatibility, but thanks!
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owls or something posted:Yep! Usually you just set XMP, yes.
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Arrhythmia posted:My computer sucks. I want a better computer. Update on this: a plane ticket I was planning on purchasing cost, well, noticeably less than expected, bumping my budget to $1000 CAD.
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Arrhythmia posted:Update on this: a plane ticket I was planning on purchasing cost, well, noticeably less than expected, bumping my budget to $1000 CAD. Hmm, with not needing a new case either, the obvious places to spend extra money on are gonna be the GPU and storage. PCPartPicker Part List CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 2600X 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor ($164.99 @ Amazon Canada) Motherboard: *ASRock B450M PRO4 Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard ($79.50 @ Vuugo) Memory: G.Skill Aegis 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory ($91.99 @ Newegg Canada) Storage: HP EX920 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive ($157.50 @ Vuugo) Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 1660 Super 6 GB OC Video Card ($308.93 @ Mike's Computer Shop) Power Supply: Corsair RMx (2018) 550 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply ($89.99 @ Memory Express) Total: $892.90 Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available *Lowest price parts chosen from parametric criteria Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-01-27 22:30 EST-0500 This will be good for 1200p60, but I might consider buying a card with more VRAM too like the RX 5700 so you can max out textures. Have to drop down to a SATA drive to make it fit closer to the budget, but that's not a significant change for games. Alternate Parts Storage: Crucial MX500 1 TB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($134.99 @ Amazon Canada) Video Card: XFX Radeon RX 5700 8 GB DD Ultra Video Card ($443.03 @ Amazon Canada) Total: $1004.49 Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-01-27 22:35 EST-0500
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This is to replace an old Dell XPS from 2011 that spent the last 6 months forcing reboots with random video artifacts and finally poo poo the bed a couple days ago. It'll be a jack of all trades - some gaming, some video, some audio, some VMs. Probably the only thing I'm keeping is the old Microsoft mouse (because I love it). PCPartPicker Part List CPU: Intel Core i7-9700K 3.6 GHz 8-Core Processor ($389.99 @ B&H) CPU Cooler: be quiet! Dark Rock Pro 4 50.5 CFM CPU Cooler ($89.90 @ B&H) Motherboard: Gigabyte Z390 AORUS PRO WIFI ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($183.98 @ Newegg) Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V Series 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory ($129.99 @ Amazon) Storage: Samsung 970 Evo Plus 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive ($199.99 @ Adorama) Storage: Intel 660p Series 2.048 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive ($249.00 @ Amazon) Storage: Seagate BarraCuda 4 TB 3.5" 5400RPM Internal Hard Drive ($86.94 @ Amazon) Storage: Seagate BarraCuda 4 TB 3.5" 5400RPM Internal Hard Drive ($86.94 @ Amazon) Video Card: NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2060 SUPER 8 GB Video Card ($399.99 @ Best Buy) Case: Fractal Design Define R5 (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case ($129.99 @ Amazon) Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA G3 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply ($112.98 @ Newegg) Total: $2204.63 The last time I built a computer from bits and pieces was back when Windows 2000 was the latest and greatest. What am I missing?
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ozmunkeh posted:This is to replace an old Dell XPS from 2011 that spent the last 6 months forcing reboots with random video artifacts and finally poo poo the bed a couple days ago. Go with something from AMD, it will perform better for cheaper. PCPartPicker Part List CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 3700X 3.6 GHz 8-Core Processor ($324.99 @ B&H) CPU Cooler: be quiet! Dark Rock Pro 4 50.5 CFM CPU Cooler ($89.90 @ B&H) Motherboard: Asus TUF GAMING X570-PLUS (WI-FI) ATX AM4 Motherboard ($189.99 @ Amazon) Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V Series 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory ($129.99 @ Amazon) Storage: Sabrent Rocket 4.0 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive ($179.98 @ Amazon) Storage: Crucial MX500 2 TB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($201.99 @ Amazon) Storage: Seagate BarraCuda 4 TB 3.5" 5400RPM Internal Hard Drive ($86.94 @ Amazon) Storage: Seagate BarraCuda 4 TB 3.5" 5400RPM Internal Hard Drive ($86.94 @ Amazon) Video Card: EVGA GeForce RTX 2060 SUPER 8 GB SC ULTRA GAMING Video Card ($379.99 @ Newegg) Case: Fractal Design Meshify C ATX Mid Tower Case ($84.99 @ Amazon) Power Supply: Corsair RM (2019) 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply ($109.99 @ Best Buy) Total: $1865.69 Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-01-28 00:54 EST-0500 There's a few notes for this list: -The motherboard is on G.Skill's QVL as being tested at the rated speeds, but ASUS doesn't have it tested on their QVL. You could consider swapping it for this Corsair kit that is on it. -Nowadays stock thermal paste is good enough and Arctic Silver is a very old formula for paste in 2020. If you'd like to pick up a tube regardless, buy Thermal Grizzly Kryonaut. -Getting a PCIe 4.0 SSD is probably overkill for what you are doing, but so is the 970 Evo Plus and it is cheaper and better in most cases. I also think using NVMes for mass SSD storage is an insane prospect, but maybe if you're finding a way to use the speeds of the faster drive... -The Meshify C will have better airflow than the Define R5, but there's also only two 3.5" drive bays, so you would be maxed out on your internal hard drive situation. If that's not good for you, I'd spend an extra ~$10 on an R6 instead. -I don't know what resolution you're gaming at so a GPU recommendation is kinda hard, but the 2060 Super is a good card so long as you don't get the reference card with the overly complicated disassembly process. -Buy Windows 10 from SA Mart and save yourself a good hundo  E: With a regular NVMe drive you can drop down to a B450 board as well to save money, you should receive something with the right BIOS out of the box by now (I'd be more concerned about potentially being limited in adding storage by the chipset like with the case) and can flash it if worst comes to worst: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/bvYLwh Demostrs fucked around with this message at 08:15 on Jan 28, 2020 |
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I built my PC almost exactly 5 years ago, and the CPU/RAM are getting pretty long in tooth - I primarily use my PC for gaming at 1440p, general use, and programming, but I've noticed heavy resourcing playing games like FF14 and Classic WoW (espeically my 8GB of RAM), and I'm hoping to get somewhat ready for the slate of games coming out this year and, as I understand it, it's a good time to buy. PCPartPicker Part List CPU: Intel Core i5-4590 3.3 GHz Quad-Core Processor Motherboard: ASRock H97M PRO4 Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard Memory: G.Skill Ares Series 8 GB (2 x 4 GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($64.00 @ Amazon) Storage: Samsung 840 EVO 250 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($149.99 @ Amazon) Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 500 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($44.99 @ Adorama) Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 1070 8 GB GAMING Video Card ($519.99 @ Amazon) Case: Nanoxia Deep Silence 4 MicroATX Mini Tower Case Power Supply: Rosewill Capstone 450 W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply Total: $778.97 Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-01-27 23:13 EST-0500 (The EVO850 and 1070 were upgrades over the years, with the 1070 replacing a 970) I was thinking of making the jump to a Ryzen 3600(x), with at least 16GB of RAM, and a new motherboard. I'm hoping for a mobo with integrated WiFi (Bluetooth would be great, but I understand that's pretty rare amongst mobos?) with m.2 slots if possible for future expansion, or maybe even full on replacement of my SATA drives. I'm also interested in a new case - I'd like to keep it in the MiniATX form factor, similar dimensions to my existing one, with decent cabling options, and no glass/plastic sides, and adequate ventilation. Someone earlier talked about doing something similar which inspired this post: owls or something posted:CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 3600X 3.8 GHz 6-Core Processor ($209.99 @ Newegg) Is this a pretty good shopping list for upgrading everything but the case? Any good case suggestions? I'm looking to spend around 500-600 USD total. Pardon any inconsistencies or bad assumptions, I haven't really given much thought to my CPU internals in a few years.
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A B450 board and 3600 is a pretty bog standard & budget friendly recommendation that's hard to argue against unless you have some specific use cases beyond gaming and web browsing. RAM is RAM generally, figure out the speed you need in a 16GB 8x2 kit, filter for that and sort by price. Can't go wrong with Corsair LPX, but you can save a few bucks with something from G.Skill or Crucial. As for a case recommendation... I don't have one really. That's generally a user preference kind of thing. It sounds like Fractal Design might be up your alley if you like plain/windowless monolithy type aesthetics. Bluetooth seems pretty standard on any board that includes wifi as they're usually on the same card. owls or something fucked around with this message at 15:05 on Jan 28, 2020 |
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Corsair LPX is fine for general purpose RAM, Crucial Ballistix Sport LT is another great (IMO slightly superior) alternative for cheap low profile RAM. It should be around the same price, but comes with Micron E-die memory chips that can be overclocked very well if you want to do that (and isn't any worse if you just want to run them at XMP speeds). They're refreshing the product line but the new Ballistix modules should continue to use E-die. Don't get a Ryzen 5 3600X, it uses a much higher TDP (translates to higher power draw and heat) to get a laughable 1-2% increase in performance over the regular 3600 (and you can still set a 3600 to achieve the same if you wanted to). I consider it strictly worse.
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Shaocaholica posted:80s cable management Haha wow I didn't know Lego Duplo made heatsinks in the 80s. Klungar posted:Is the Ryzen 5 1600 the same thing as the aforementioned 1600AF? No, the 1600 sans the "AF" is the earlier Zen architecture. You want the one with the AF suffix.
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Klungar posted:Is the Ryzen 5 1600 the same thing as the aforementioned 1600AF? There are two product numbers both called Ryzen 5 1600, one is YD1600BBAE, the other YD1600BBAF. The former is the original part, while the later is the new one that's a 2600 by a different name. Amazon has separate pages for them, not sure about other retailers, it's also inscribed on the heat spreader.
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Ok, just a few more questions before I pull the trigger: 1) The System Builder says the estimated system wattage is 264W. What is the reason to upgrade to a 650W power supply over a 550W? 2) What's the benefit with going with a 5700 XT over a 5700, and is it something I need to worry about? 3) Is there a different case I should be looking at or that is a favorite around here? I only have the current one selected because that was in the original guide. 4) Anything egregious with the wireless adapter/keyboard/mouse selections? 5) Just wanted to confirm this build will transmit sound to my TV over HDMI, and that I would need to do something special in that regard. PCPartPicker Part List Motherboard: *ASRock B450M PRO4 Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard ($74.98 @ Amazon) Memory: G.Skill Aegis 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory ($64.99 @ Newegg) Storage: Western Digital Blue SN550 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive ($99.99 @ Newegg) Video Card: XFX Radeon RX 5700 8 GB DD Ultra Video Card ($299.98 @ Amazon) Case: Phanteks Eclipse P400A ATX Mid Tower Case ($77.98 @ Newegg) Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA G1+ 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply ($98.99 @ Amazon) Wireless Network Adapter: Asus PCE-AC55BT B1 PCIe x1 802.11a/b/g/n/ac Wi-Fi Adapter ($31.31 @ Amazon) Keyboard: Logitech MK320 Wireless Standard Keyboard With Optical Mouse ($23.99 @ Dell) Custom: AMD Ryzen 5 1600 (12nm) 3.2 GHz 6-Core Processor ($85.00) Total: $857.21 Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available *Lowest price parts chosen from parametric criteria Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-01-28 13:17 EST-0500
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orcane posted:Don't get a Ryzen 5 3600X, it uses a much higher TDP (translates to higher power draw and heat) to get a laughable 1-2% increase in performance over the regular 3600 (and you can still set a 3600 to achieve the same if you wanted to). I consider it strictly worse. While the argument that the 3600x is not worth it price/performance wise vs. the regular 3600 is sound (unless it's a near price parity or only 1-2% more expensive), the only reason the listed TDP is 95W on the 3600x is the different cooler. The wraith stealth (3600 cooler) is a 65w part while the wraith spire (3600x) is a 95w part. The 3600x CPU itself has the same TDP as the 3600.
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Klungar posted:PCPartPicker Part List Get this motherboard and save around 20USD by not having to get the wifi adapter. I was going to point out you dont need micro atx in that ATX case, but the only cheap mobo with integrated wifi shows as micro atx on pcpartpicker, so might as well go with that form.
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Does anyone have any 4 or 8 gb ddr3 sodimms they are looking to get rid of? I've expanded my "fix old computers up for people that can't afford one" thing and I'm trying to rehab a t420 that someone pulled all the ram and HDD out of before I got it. PM me if so. I'm checking here first before I start a thread in SA Mart.
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Shaocaholica posted:USB sound doesn't really take that much CPU time on a modern system right? Nah, and even sound card audio processor chips do most of their work on the CPU these days afaik. Until someone does raytracing for sound, all sound stuff is pretty trivial for CPU load. Absorbs Smaller Goons posted:While the argument that the 3600x is not worth it price/performance wise vs. the regular 3600 is sound (unless it's a near price parity or only 1-2% more expensive), the only reason the listed TDP is 95W on the 3600x is the different cooler. The wraith stealth (3600 cooler) is a 65w part while the wraith spire (3600x) is a 95w part. The 3600x CPU itself has the same TDP as the 3600. Yeah given equal coolers and motherboards, with PBO turned on, they will probably clock relatively the same and output the same heat. Supposedly the 3600X would have higher guaranteed single-core boost clocking, but AMD has been awfully sketchy on that with the 3000 series and it seems like many 3600X chips only hit the advertised 4.4 ghz for fractions of a second. I don't know if AMD is actually binning the X part.
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Klungar posted:Ok, just a few more questions before I pull the trigger: 1) The System Builder says the estimated system wattage is 264W. What is the reason to upgrade to a 650W power supply over a 550W? Unless the 650w is offering a more efficient certification level, modular cabling, or some other non-wattage feature there probably isn't a reason to go for it. In general the further below the PSU's top output you operate the more efficient it'll run. 2) What's the benefit with going with a 5700 XT over a 5700, and is it something I need to worry about? The XT will have higher clocks - The reference blower cards have the 5700 XT offering about ~10% more performance over the plain 5700 for $50ish more. However you should avoid buying a card with a blower cooler if possible since just about every other custom cooling solution (maybe barring the XFX THICC cards) is going to perform better and more quietly. However such custom cards tend to command minor price premiums and as a result shift the value proposition around. Either the plain 5700 or XT will work fine for what you're doing so I'd keep an eye out for a good deal on known good cards like PowerColor Red Dragons or Red Devils, or Sapphire Pulses which are available as XT and non-XT types. You can also go the route of getting a plain 5700 and try to flash it into an XT but I'm not familiar with the ins and outs of doing so. Edit: To clarify the card you selected is fine and is not a blower setup or XFX's maligned "THICC" model. Whether or not you want the XT version comes down to how much extra you're willing to pay for about 10% more oomph. 3) Is there a different case I should be looking at or that is a favorite around here? I only have the current one selected because that was in the original guide. It seems to be a well regarded case. 4) Anything egregious with the wireless adapter/keyboard/mouse selections? Nope. 5) Just wanted to confirm this build will transmit sound to my TV over HDMI, and that I would need to do something special in that regard. Any AMD or nVidia card from the last decade or so should pipe audio over HDMI just fine. That includes the 5700, 5700XT, and equivalent GeForce cards. Fabulousity fucked around with this message at 20:14 on Jan 28, 2020 |
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Fabulousity posted:You can also go the route of getting a plain 5700 and try to flash it into an XT but I'm not familiar with the ins and outs of doing so. If Klungar is curious, here's a guide on that: https://www.techpowerup.com/review/flashing-amd-radeon-rx-5700-with-xt-bios-performance-guide/
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Klungar posted:Ok, just a few more questions before I pull the trigger: The power draw of the CPU isn’t being factored in because it is a custom part; the max power draw is going to be closer to 330W. I like aiming for double the max wattage, but you could still buy a 550W PSU and have it work fine, just get a good model.
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