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hobbesmaster posted:The fallout from bombing all the silos in the dakotas probably would make everyone in Minneapolis wish for death though Business as usual
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Davin Valkri posted:In that case, why "Blue Falcon" and not "Bravo Foxtrot" or something similar? I think it's cause you can say so and so is member of the order of the blue falcon.
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If you refer to someone as "Bravo Foxtrot" it's clear that you're using military initials that stand for something with a "B--- F----" structure, while calling someone a blue falcon makes it a bit more ambiguous.
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Davin Valkri posted:In that case, why "Blue Falcon" and not "Bravo Foxtrot" or something similar? hosed if i know, maybe because that sounds stupid and nato letters get used for actual things?
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Davin Valkri posted:In that case, why "Blue Falcon" and not "Bravo Foxtrot" or something similar? people can and do use bravo foxtrot, it isn't against regs or nothing
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Then what does Dyno Mutt mean?
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bewbies posted:people can and do use bravo foxtrot, it isn't against regs or nothing 1st Sgt just laying into you for using SNAFU wrong
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People sometimes just loudly “cacaw” to denote blue falconry.
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mlmp08 posted:“cacaw” 
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Karenina posted:If the Albanians didn't want to be nuked into the Stone Age, they shouldn't have kept Soviet air-defense radar on their soil. Just dump it into the Adriatic, problem solved, you don't get nuked. Albania built more than 3000 bunkers.
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Arglebargle III posted:Albania built more than 3000 bunkers. A small prize to pay for Soviet air defence radars.
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Arglebargle III posted:Albania built more than 3000 bunkers. Very solid investment 
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david_a posted:While we’re on the topic of nuclear weapon books, Fresh Air had an interview with Fred Kaplan yesterday about his new book The Bomb: Presidents, Generals, and the Secret History of Nuclear War. I don’t know how legit Kaplan is or anything about the book, but it sounded interesting. This is also mentioned in command and control- the moment Soviet Union collapsed the next (last) commander of SAC, General butler, just browsed through SIOP and nixed “75%” of all targets and weapon deployments.
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Arglebargle III posted:Albania built more than 3000 bunkers. How about 173,371 of em!! https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bunkers_in_Albania quote:The concrete bunkers of Albania are a ubiquitous sight in the country, with an average of 5.7 bunkers for every square kilometre (14.7 per square mile). The bunkers (Albanian: bunkerët) were built during the communist government of Enver Hoxha from the 1960s to the 1980s; by 1983 a total of 173,371 concrete bunkers had been constructed around the country.[1][2]
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Arglebargle III posted:That's more than 3,000 You were the closest without going over. Also quote:Some Albanians have taken to using the bunkers for more romantic purposes. In a country where until recently cars were in short supply, they were popular places for lovers to have sex; as travel writer Tony Wheeler puts it, "Albanian virginity is lost in a Hoxha bunker as often as American virginity was once lost in the back seats of cars." Fuckbunkers
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Jan 28, 2020 23:19
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Bunker oil, used for crude purposes.
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Kesper North posted:Bunker oil, used for crude purposes. mods?
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Kesper North posted:Bunker oil, used for crude purposes. 
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Kesper North posted:Bunker oil, used for crude purposes. Beautiful.
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priznat posted:How about 173,371 of em!! wtf I knew that Hoxhaists building bunkers was a meme. I didn’t know it was that bad.
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Hoxa decreed something to the effect that every family had to build a concrete bunker or pay extra tax - for the safety of the motherland of course! He was also paranoid that foreigners were coming to assassinate him if I remember correctly. Basically, Albania had a deranged dictator who created a stalinist bureaucracy that forced everyone to build lovely bunkers. Cold War!
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He was pretty much a deranged Bond villain from what I've read. Like I recall one anecdote that he made the designer of those standard bunkers stay in one as he had a tank drive over it to test the structural integrity of the design. It's funny, growing up my father always said the moment he gave up on campus politics in university was when the main, previously sensible left-wing campus club suddenly switched gears and decided the only acceptable way forward for Canada was Hoxhaism.
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Mr Luxury Yacht posted:He was pretty much a deranged Bond villain from what I've read. Like I recall one anecdote that he made the designer of those standard bunkers stay in one as he had a tank drive over it to test the structural integrity of the design. Did they start digging holes and pouring concrete bunkers in the quad??
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They didn't, that's why he quit.
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Mr Luxury Yacht posted:He was pretty much a deranged Bond villain from what I've read. Like I recall one anecdote that he made the designer of those standard bunkers stay in one as he had a tank drive over it to test the structural integrity of the design. Given the way the RCMP was (and is) infiltrating revolutionary groups I wonder how much of the push for irrational extremism in leftist political clubs has come from Agent Provocateurs. There's a book on RCMP activities on campus during the cold war that might answer that but 1. I don't have it and 2. What is available of it on google seems a bit dry.
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The Sausages posted:Given the way the RCMP was (and is) infiltrating revolutionary groups I wonder how much of the push for irrational extremism in leftist political clubs has come from Agent Provocateurs. There's a book on RCMP activities on campus during the cold war that might answer that but 1. I don't have it and 2. What is available of it on google seems a bit dry. OTOH considering how the red left generally behaves probably the only provocation they needed to do was leave some Hoxhaist propaganda lying around...
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Yeah, true. I get the feeling the history of cold war espionage from all sides within Western educational institutions, both among the students and the faculty, as well as among public servants is pretty dry for the most part with a few spicy sections and a sprinkling of WTF moments. Speaking of which ,whether or not it's true, lol: https://twitter.com/ianshaw91/status/1222313367320387584/photo/1 Also this is amazing: Softface posted:I spent this week TDY at Idaho National Labs doing some
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and when one of our hosts mentioned the engines for a nuclear-powered bomber I perked right up and asked if I could take a picture of the "flying crime against humanity." Luckily it was part of the tour anyway (along with a really good ice cream store).
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How would you even get this as a deep cover mole? Just padded envelope in the mail from NOT KGB COVER ORG, LLC? This would be a cool premise for a story: https://www.rand.org/pubs/research_reports/RR2797.html quote:Insights from a wargame involving AI and autonomous systems Maybe some opposing black box algorithms tripping each other off due to accidental runaway feedback from some esoteric variables and the humans trying to figure out why there's all this shooting suddenly
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Strong cold war (and dolphin) vibes. https://twitter.com/nukestrat/status/1222510655586152449?s=21
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Your funny DoD acronym of the day: Elements of national power: Military, Information, Diplomatic, Financial, Intelligence, Economic, Legal, and Development, or MIDFIELD my favorite MIDFIELD was probably zidane, with gerrard a close second
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Undersecretary of Defense for Policy John Rood even told reporters that the W76-2 would be “very stabilizing” and in no way supports U.S. early use of nuclear weapons, even though the Nuclear Posture Review explicitly stated the warhead was needed for “prompt response” strike options against Russian early use of nuclear weapons. “Prompt response” means that strategic Trident submarines in a W76-2 scenario would be used as tactical nuclear weapons, potentially in a first use scenario or immediately after Russia escalated, thus forming the United States’ own “escalate-to-deescalate” capability. The United States has refused to rule out first use of nuclear weapons.
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"even if he was a spy/informant he was still a great grandpa to me though"
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I’ve always thought no first use policies are the political equivalent of patting yourself on the back
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What other countries have no-first-use policies besides China
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zoux posted:What other countries have no-first-use policies besides China The Soviet Union did. Or at least that was their claim.
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Well I assume no-first-use policies are highly conditional on whether or not they find out later they want to use them first.
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aphid_licker posted:How would you even get this as a deep cover mole? Just padded envelope in the mail from NOT KGB COVER ORG, LLC? Presumably from his handler and he was motivated by ideological reasons. If the tweet/reddit are real, which they probably aren’t, and giving medals to people permanently in the US seems much too sloppy for the KGB besides.
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Phanatic posted:The Soviet Union did. Or at least that was their claim. I mean strategic I guess but weren't they planning to throw tactical nukes left and right as part of any invasion of western Europe? I just recall seeing some map comparing Warsaw Pact and NATO WW3 plans and they both seemed to come down to "Nuke the hell out of Poland".
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Top Hats Monthly posted:I’ve always thought no first use policies are the political equivalent of patting yourself on the back It matters for China though because only they can ostensibly use conventional ICBMs in a conflict without prompting a response.
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