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Hal Incandenza posted:Steaks thing sounds... Unlikely regardless of whether my self-guard counted, the indisputable fact is two separate kills were blocked last night on one or more of the people i voted
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Mr. Steak posted:im not targeting myself. yeah you unvoted, my bad.
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Jan 30, 2020 13:18
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My information involves entirely different people than Steaks and is nothing concrete due to the weakness in the power currently. There are enough holes in my information that I can't even call people out based on it. Might be time to go back to vote patterns again.
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Jan 30, 2020 14:34
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I'm going to plant myself in the "steak's stuff sounds like it's made up" camp for now
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Jan 30, 2020 16:00
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Yeah... I'm staying to feel that way as well
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Jan 30, 2020 16:08
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SalTheBard posted:Yeah... I'm starting to feel that way as well
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Jan 30, 2020 16:16
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Mr. Steak posted:regardless of whether my self-guard counted, the indisputable fact is two separate kills were blocked last night on one or more of the people i voted Indisputable to you I guess but since the rest of us have nothing but your word to go on that's pretty worthless info right now
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Jan 30, 2020 16:27
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And let's be honest steak your word carries very little value based on history
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Jan 30, 2020 16:28
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You claimed watcher correct? I find it even more unlikely that two separate people tried to kill someone who was watched
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Jan 30, 2020 16:30
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Hal Incandenza posted:You claimed watcher correct? I find it even more unlikely that two separate people tried to kill someone who was watched Oh wait you said you somehow bodyguard yourself I forgot so I guess everyone could be trying to kill you except for the third killer we also have
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Jan 30, 2020 16:32
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Hal Incandenza posted:You claimed watcher correct? I find it even more unlikely that two separate people tried to kill someone who was watched it happened, so im trying to figure out what went on. there are already 2 kills accounted for now that we have cpig's flip, so the only mysteries are: -what's the 3rd kill? -which one killed cpig? -who got cpig's 1-shot vig?
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Jan 30, 2020 16:34
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i know i make poo poo up in mafia, but this would be a huge step up from even my most outrageous lies. for one, it'd necessitate me sacrificing whatever my real ability is, to keep up the charade that i lost the extra votes. for two, if the cpig vig targeted someone besides the 3 i guarded, they could counter my claim, with 0 risk because they dont even have the vig anymore. these are things i'd consider before lying
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Jan 30, 2020 16:38
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I am just making sure I understand this right, Originally you had an 2 extra votes power, that got upgraded to what you said was 3 votes plus watching them, and that was a lie, and it is actually 3 votes plus bodyguarding them, and you can decide to use 1 of the 3 to bodyguard yourself so that once we get down to 4 or so people, you can freeze everything in place at night? Am I understanding that right?
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Jan 30, 2020 16:40
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Leith Maclaine posted:I am just making sure I understand this right, thats exactly right, though i never confirmed with the mod if i can self-guard. i just self-voted and assumed it would work because in the text of my upgrade it would. idk if that was a possibility amni overlooked or if he'd allow it. i never asked. however, that has little bearing on my 2 lost votes. that's not a guess. i was informed that they're gone, and according to the text of my ability update, the only way to lose them is a bodyguard effect being "spent"
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Jan 30, 2020 16:44
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Mr. Steak posted:for two, if the cpig vig targeted someone besides the 3 i guarded, they could counter my claim, with 0 risk because they dont even have the vig anymore. I'm having trouble with this one. If CapitalistPig gave the vig to someone, and that got ironically turned around on them... what exactly does that give the shooter on you?
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Jan 30, 2020 16:47
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charms posted:I'm having trouble with this one. If CapitalistPig gave the vig to someone, and that got ironically turned around on them... what exactly does that give the shooter on you? i mean, thats possible. theres a 1 in 3 chance i suppose. but if i wanted to make a lie capitalizing on the assumption that cpig's gifted vig was used and blocked, i'd just claim one popped guard, not two. i mean, geez. does nobody want to claim that 1-shot vig? if not i'll have to assume scum got it
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Jan 30, 2020 16:51
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Hal Incandenza posted:And let's be honest steak your word carries very little value based on history i'd like to be clear that my "history" is made up of improbably frequent scum games. so of course this would be true
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Jan 30, 2020 16:54
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Mr. Steak posted:i'd like to be clear that my "history" is made up of improbably frequent scum games. so of course this would be true Let's not forget survivor cop
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Jan 30, 2020 16:57
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Hal Incandenza posted:Let's not forget survivor cop that doesnt count cuz i helped town win by tricking scum with a gambit. hmmMMMM sound familiar? lol
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Jan 30, 2020 17:04
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I think it's highly "convenient* that when there is a way to demonstrate Mr. Steak's claim (he should have been able to identify the messenger if he watched), suddenly that claim was a lie and a new claim is created, but also he won't demonstrate that the extravotes are gone. Both claims also very self-serving as far as manipulating power roles and providing an excuse for Steak not being dead the next day. Maybe CPig gave Steak (or another of the SAAPs) the Vig, and Steak went all through D2 creating a gambit setting them up to use it as an extra Secret Alliance nightkill? If that was the case then one kill did get stopped, they would not both target CPig. If Sal is Town and his claim of Jailer is true, then he may have jailed a killer or a victim. Since he already claimed Jailer he should probably claim his N2 target. Mr. Steak, if you are telling the truth, please ask the mod if you can demonstrate your extravotes are gone. I am inclined to 'Liminate All Liars.
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Jan 30, 2020 17:07
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I was probably right with my first instincts on D1 and I won't take the chance of being punked by an admitted liar. ##vote Mr. Steak
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Jan 30, 2020 17:12
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Sal, who did you jail n2
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Jan 30, 2020 17:14
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Lumpen posted:I am inclined to 'Liminate All Liars. that's very fair. tbh, as much as i'd like to clear up the ambiguity around my votes, i'd feel extremely weird asking the mod permission to use an action that would do nothing. i feel like part of the spirit of the rule "don't fake day actions" is to prevent people from submitting actions that do nothing, to mod-confirm some fact about their role. call my stubbornness suspicious, but im a huge honkin stickler for mafia rules. im not into pushing the envelope to put the mod in a strange position of deciding whether or not to confirm a player's role. that's not the point of mafia. you'll have to just believe me based on the other facts.
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Jan 30, 2020 17:15
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b-minus1 posted:Sal, who did you jail n2 Hum.
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Jan 30, 2020 17:17
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Lumpen posted:I think it's highly "convenient* that when there is a way to demonstrate Mr. Steak's claim (he should have been able to identify the messenger if he watched), suddenly that claim was a lie and a new claim is created, but also he won't demonstrate that the extravotes are gone. I hate to say it but this is a very good catch.
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Jan 30, 2020 17:52
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Lumpen posted:I think it's highly "convenient* that when there is a way to demonstrate Mr. Steak's claim (he should have been able to identify the messenger if he watched), suddenly that claim was a lie and a new claim is created, but also he won't demonstrate that the extravotes are gone. Retro Futurist posted:I hate to say it but this is a very good catch. i wouldnt say the progression of the discussion points to this being my thinking. first, i respond to lumpen perpetuating my investigative-role claim while dodging his question. yes, that is oddly convenient. and now we know why. but why then, as a gambit, would i suddenly change my mind about the lie with literally zero prompting, pull a complete 180 on what im claiming while also ratcheting it up to 11...? i know somebody is going to answer something like "nothing's out of the question for you, steak" but contrary to popular belief i do have logic in my behaviors.
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Jan 30, 2020 18:01
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SalTheBard posted:Hum. Uhhh, why? I couldn't find any alignment call about him by you at all. Sal's only utterance about Humalong in the entire game was early on D1: SalTheBard posted:<3 Mr Scumalong! At the end of D2, Sal's stayed suspects were ETR and xiw. SalTheBard posted:I'm going to go ahead and vote for Xiw (yes I'm aware that I quote ETR's post) SalTheBard posted:I feel ETR's poo poo posting speaks for itself. Xiw I'm still going to watch you but like I think the evidence at this point is overwhelming ##vote ETR So the claimed choice of Humalong to Jail makes no sense in the context of Sal's purported reads. If he really thought xiw was Secret Alliance, why not Jail him to try and prevent a kill?
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Jan 30, 2020 18:07
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Mr. Steak posted:i know somebody is going to answer something like "nothing's out of the question for you, steak" but contrary to popular belief i do have logic in my behaviors. Highly illogical.
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Jan 30, 2020 18:12
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Lumpen posted:Counterpoint, in a recent game, Steak voluntarily and without pressure revealed himself as the third Mason in an Unconfirmed Masonry after the two other Mason's had been NKed' N1 and N2 and both flipped Town. He was immediately voted out as the Informed Minority Mason. i was actually voted out because people just didnt believe i was a mason at all haha
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Jan 30, 2020 18:27
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Hum was coming at me pretty hard on the end of D2 so that was pretty much the reason. In hindsight I think Xiw would've made the most sense, but yeah.
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Jan 30, 2020 18:28
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Steak remind me who you targeted last night
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Jan 30, 2020 18:30
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Retro Futurist posted:Steak remind me who you targeted last night myself, lumpen, hambeet
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Jan 30, 2020 18:30
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Lumpen posted:Counterpoint, in a recent game, Steak voluntarily and without pressure revealed himself as the third Mason in an Unconfirmed Masonry after the two other Mason's had been NKed' N1 and N2 and both flipped Town. He was immediately voted out as the Informed Minority Mason. Always wait for Steak to make a mis-steak. 
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Jan 30, 2020 18:33
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Mr. Steak posted:myself, lumpen, hambeet I'm not convinced those gel with your posting. Ham at least you claim a town read on, then Lumpen comes out of nowhere. otoh you seem pretty sure Sal is scum and they've claimed a potentially pro town role, yet you didn't pick them
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Jan 30, 2020 19:08
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SalTheBard posted:Hum. That explains my action failing on beet
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Jan 30, 2020 19:33
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##vote steak
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Jan 30, 2020 19:33
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Retro Futurist posted:I'm not convinced those gel with your posting. Ham at least you claim a town read on, then Lumpen comes out of nowhere. otoh you seem pretty sure Sal is scum and they've claimed a potentially pro town role, yet you didn't pick them i unvoted sal when he was at danger of being lunched. my targets must be voted for at the end of the day by me, so i had to take into account the unintended effect of my vote being on him. and my vote (read: target) on lumpen was there since way early in the day, with me explicitly stating a town read of him. so.. ??
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Jan 30, 2020 19:36
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wait, when do i seem sure sal is scum? lol are you confusing me with someone else?
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Jan 30, 2020 19:37
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i still feel good about my vote on humalong
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Mr. Steak posted:wait, when do i seem sure sal is scum? lol are you confusing me with someone else? Whoops I meant town
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