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Mr. Humalong posted:so binus, steak, and sal are all scum Nice meltdown
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Lumpen posted:A recap. Bolds and sirens added by me. Obviously no and no for me. Hence why I'm voting him. Plus my day 2 case on steak.
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Jan 31, 2020 22:21
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##vote mr steak
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Jan 31, 2020 22:26
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Alright, lets loving play content game then: I get cuddled and flip town (which is what will happen) how does that change your reads?
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Jan 31, 2020 22:31
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b-minus1 posted:I will try to get some casework done over the next day. Deadline isn’t until tomorrow night thankfully. some actual case work from you would be grouse. aside from lucking out on day 1 (or bussing as hal coined it) you've probably said just as much about who you won't vote (sal and steak) as those you will.
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Jan 31, 2020 22:35
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charms posted:If you're considering both of them to be scum, it'd make more sense as a townie to stay on SalTheBard instead of switching to Mr. Steak. If you're right and Sal flipped scum, it would pretty much confirm the jail targets on N1 and N2, as well as cast a ton of light on the D2 lynch, and deprive the Allies of a power role. Mr. Steak's power is useless now (unless there is someone who really needs to not die tonight), but that goes both ways, and I'm not sure what information we'd gain from a Steak scum flip but it probably wouldn't be as decisive as in Sal's case. this I don't understand? haven't we had confirmation from the jailed players and the people who targeted the jailed players on both nights? how would flipping sal give us any more information?
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Jan 31, 2020 23:07
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One thing that makes me hmmm and worry. DEAD: 2P - France - target Castille DEAD: IS - Austria - target Hungary DEAD: AA - Russia - target Poland DEAD: ETR - Burgundy - target England DEAD: CPig - Ottomans - target Byzantium ALIVE: Steak - ?? - claimed target one of france / austria / russia None of the dead people were targetting another dead player. So we have 4 other living players with upgraded powers and a good chance 1-2 scum have upgraded powers at this point. This is kind of scary. I don't think this is a reason to claim upgrades or anything, but i feel like we're in a position where we could get really surprising / bad night actions out of nowhere.
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Jan 31, 2020 23:46
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hambeet posted:this I don't understand? haven't we had confirmation from the jailed players and the people who targeted the jailed players on both nights? It wouldn't. Just a lazy case.
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Jan 31, 2020 23:53
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Mr. Humalong posted:I strongly disagree with this. Making him post just makes him dig his hole even deeper with bullshit. idk watching charms start up what looks like a counter campaign on sal to steer us off steak is interesting.
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Feb 1, 2020 01:01
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right now i'm weighing the pros and cons of letting myself get killed today. it's probably leaning toward "get killed". 1) i barely have a useful ability anymore. 2) flipping me will clear up a lot of bullshit and confirm my night results as true. and forcing y'all to actually engage with my HUGE clue about 2 blocked nightkills will benefit town a lot. 3) it'll make this post REALLY useful Hal Incandenza posted:2 - Harder to say, prior to the claim I had a neutral/town read on Steak, and he definitely enjoys gambits regardless of alignment. That being said... I think he's probably scum with the claim, and the way the claim info has dripped out in a non-helpful way. I am not even sure the math works out... The two extra killers cannot be Sal, hum, the messenger, me (I can basically prove this if need be), steak himself, the scum who did the nightkill... there may be more I am missing. I guess that still leaves at least 2 people to be the other killers but now the odds that those people both targeted steak seem slim. of course i'll only self-vote to avoid a no-lunch, because other people voting me means more content. but i'm okay with dying to finalize my contributions to town this game. i'll be happy just to have blocked 2 kills and provided a lot of good information starting on d3. as for lumpen's problem with this: "revealing this will make scum less likely to attack the people i target" i was lying lmao. i tried to emphasize that results would be combined, so that scum would be less afraid of attacking someone who's 1/3 of my watch, and tried reverse-psychology to make them want to target them. apparently it worked, too!! so there.
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Feb 1, 2020 01:09
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i'd also like for someone, right now BEFORE my flip, please claim that your update target is Denmark (which is me).
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Feb 1, 2020 01:11
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Mr. Steak posted:i'd also like for someone, right now BEFORE my flip, please claim that your update target is Denmark (which is me). lmao how fitting
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Feb 1, 2020 01:12
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We're at the point where even if steak is town, he's caused too much confusion and killing him will give us more info than keeping him alive will. It's why you have to be careful lying as town and be, like, good at it. Though he's probably not town anyways, too many moving parts for this one.
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Feb 1, 2020 01:13
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Retro Futurist posted:We're at the point where even if steak is town, he's caused too much confusion and killing him will give us more info than keeping him alive will. It's why you have to be careful lying as town and be, like, good at it. i agree. so kill me. also, i WAS good at it. i caused 2 kills to be blocked!
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Feb 1, 2020 01:14
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just so this is on the record now and not buried earlier in the day: most of my stuff will be confirmed in my flip, but my n2 results won't. so here is me re-claiming that result. this is 100% factual. you'll know this after i flip, because lying right before death as town is purposeless. I LOST 2 VOTES ON NIGHT 2. please don't forget that tomorrow. also the people with guard effects on them were: myself (presumably) lumpen hambeet
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Feb 1, 2020 01:17
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Humalong is absolutely scum
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Feb 1, 2020 01:34
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Mr. Steak posted:just so this is on the record now and not buried earlier in the day: could you at least try voting on 3 people in a row without unvoting to see what happens first?
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Feb 1, 2020 01:50
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xiw posted:could you at least try voting on 3 people in a row without unvoting to see what happens first? sure, but i doubt that would clear anything up anyway, since amni's inaction could be construed as because i didnt use the "extravote" command. but whatever ##vote sal ##vote binus ##vote hum
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Feb 1, 2020 01:53
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Steak, would you make a List? Present your best case on somebody else?
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Feb 1, 2020 02:00
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I’m 99% sure that humalong scumslipped
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Feb 1, 2020 02:15
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Was my statement that Lumpen will most likely be killed early if he’s not scum the scum slip? Because just lol if so
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Feb 1, 2020 02:25
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Lumpen posted:Steak, would you make a List? it wouldnt be nearly as helpful as the other things i've done. im pretty sure you'd agree that the reads of flipped town don't mean poo poo. especially compared to reads from a flipped scum. what's valuable here is the information i've provided being confirmed by my flip
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Feb 1, 2020 11:28
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also, i really don't know how to interpret my results on my own. i would have liked to pool resources and suss out the killers with everyone else's input today, but since discussion ultimately just revolved around everyone doubting me, and will surely keep going that way if i survive, i'd much rather die so that tomorrow can be spend on solving my n2 results, hopefully
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Feb 1, 2020 11:30
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also, just to clear up the weirdness that hal mentioned further back about my 3rd claim (the true one): yeah, i should have checked my confessional for results before posting, but since my role isnt actually one that even gets a "your action was successful" or otherwise, it wasnt an automatic check. and when saw somebody died, i immediately assumed none of my guards were hit. then, we all know what happened when i eventually checked
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Feb 1, 2020 11:33
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one last thing before im either dead or someone asks me something: while i know i do make quote silly mistakes, saying stuff like this Hal Incandenza posted:steak play better if you are town
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Feb 1, 2020 11:44
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*quite
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Feb 1, 2020 11:44
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so i guess this is the extent of the "case" work so far?b-minus1 posted:Cpig quoted some leith posts: i thought your ranking had me as most scummiest, so why did you "case" hum first?
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Feb 1, 2020 13:06
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b-minus1 posted:quoting for reference. it is interesting that beet didn't vote a single person on d1. not even during jokephase oh wait unless this was it?
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Feb 1, 2020 13:07
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Mr. Steak posted:
But if you were Town, this response from you would be absolutely rotten. I have no idea about your "actual reads" because you've spent the game hiding behind fake voting crap. On D1 you argued against voting 2Penny, and on D2 you made up a lie so you could say you were voting for people you thought were Town. Now you're further excusing yourself from leaving behind any reads. If you were Town, your reads and your votes *against* Secret Alliance are the source of your value. Not coming up with lies and clumsy gambits "to be helpful". You are not even faking being Town well, and you haven't at any point in the game. You are an easy catch. So,  Mr. Steak posted:if sal is scum tho, gently caress me because that'd make 2 scum that i argued against voting. lol
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Feb 1, 2020 13:32
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i was helpful by blocking 2 nightkills and, after my flip, some really intriguing info for town to chew on. thats certainly more than can be said about you, so please start preheating the over for when you have to eat your words.
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Feb 1, 2020 13:50
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*oven lol my sick burn was ruined by a typo
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Feb 1, 2020 13:51
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anyway, about the lies and supposedly clumsy gambit that totally worked in town's favor: did my initial lie cause any confusion for town's decision-making? maybe it disincentivized a couple town from visiting my targets? but i seriously doubt even that. when i lie as town i make drat sure that believing me is only a bad thing for scum. and it WAS. i seriously cant wait until i flip so lumpen stops criticizing my good play as "rotten"
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Feb 1, 2020 13:54
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besides that you think im scum, theres no reason for me to make cases right now. when i flip (as town) they will be completely irrelevant. i want to keep attention focused on the useful things that myflip will confirm, so that my death won't be in vain
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Feb 1, 2020 13:57
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and if you think i believe i'm going to survive right now, you're insane. if this was me trying to weasel my way out of a lunch, do you think i'd be essentially begging you to kill me? i mean geez
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Feb 1, 2020 14:03
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and if i were scum in this situation, i'd be either scumclaiming, or not posting anything anymore. those who've played with me a lot know this is true. that's not to say i want to survive today. i want to be the lunch. as much as i'd love everyone to categorically believe my ability and my n2 results,'that simply wont happen unless i flip. so killing me now is inarguably best for town. im not even sure what's left to discuss today, so are y'all really going to drag this out to deadline?
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Feb 1, 2020 14:06
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"You are not even faking being Town well, and you haven't at any point in the game." this is especially hilarious considering you had me in your towniest slot on lists all game until i revealed my lie
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Feb 1, 2020 14:09
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hambeet posted:so i guess this is the extent of the "case" work so far? I don’t see why thst matters. I’m attempting to get back in the game and saw some humalong posts that made me  . Since we are on the topic, what is your take on humalong?
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Feb 1, 2020 14:13
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so, my main thinking on the blocked kills is this: we know one person had a vig from cpig. his flip specifically said "the following night" so depending on action resolution order, someone still has one for tonight. just something to keep in mind. We also know that whoever used the vig on n2 has yet to claim. as town that's questionable because that would have been able to confirm part of my claim, so i'm 90% sure a scum got it. in other words, scum had control of 2 kills last night. i think that accounts for why 2 of my guard targets were targeted. they tried to kill me so i couldnt give watch results, while simultaneously killing one of the people with a now-useless watch. now considering that hal has narrowed down the list of suspects considerably, i think scum may have a hard time avoiding the night-action bingo that'll result from this. please kill me quickly and do that. i think this is a shoe-in town victory (thanks to me, gently caress u lumpen)
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Feb 1, 2020 14:30
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b-minus1 posted:I don’t see why thst matters. I’m attempting to get back in the game and saw some humalong posts that made me that they're pretty light on in engagement. their two longest posts are literally two sentences each, one casing leith on day 1, one on hal day 2 (i think)
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it makes me go hmmm for sure
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