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Fabricated posted:As far as Twitter goes the reaction is bad enough that I'm guessing that if there wasn't a Superbowl, dnc primary, and other bullshit going on it would probably be trending. Like uh, it's not good. Lots of Korean artists are deleting their stuff and even the fujo lady who is nuts over the series thinks it should be addressed. Did I miss something about the hanafuda earrings?
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Rodenthar Drothman posted:Did I miss something about the hanafuda earrings? The sun insignia on them resembles the imperial Japanese flag, and the series takes place shortly before Japan becomes imperial Japan. It was even censored in the Korean version of the anime.
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Feb 3, 2020 00:29
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Just looked up Maruta and...that's a hell of a thing to reference in your comic book for teenage boys. I could have really gone without the reminder that the bastards who performed those experiments got away with all of it. Tasteless name aside, I find Shiga being Quirkless to be a very interesting detail, given his line of work. I can see him being like Izuku if he went all in on his Quirk studies, but didn't have a code of ethics to temper his pursuit of knowledge, though he may end up being a different beast altogether.
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Feb 3, 2020 01:00
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So if this was a western comic this would be the equivalent to naming him Mengele Verminkiller?
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Feb 3, 2020 01:52
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Funky Valentine posted:So if this was a western comic this would be the equivalent to naming him Mengele Verminkiller?
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Feb 3, 2020 02:04
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Yeah, understanding the context, its an extremely  creative decision that Horikoshi probably shouldn't have made, but given his past record and the fact that it's honestly kinda in keeping with how the American comics genre he's a ping would name that kind of villain, I feel like it probably didn't have any actual malice behind it and a quick apology would clear things up.
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Feb 3, 2020 02:11
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As low a bar as it is, atleast this time the Japanese author casually references war crimes thing is related to a through and through bad guy who we are not meant to sympathise with at all rather then the usual brand of atrocity references
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Feb 3, 2020 02:11
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Funky Valentine posted:So if this was a western comic this would be the equivalent to naming him Mengele Verminkiller? Babysitter Super Sleuth posted:Yeah, understanding the context, its an extremely I mean it's not just as if a Western comic doing a Hitler/Nazi thing, it's a comic made in the very same nation that committed those war crimes.
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Feb 3, 2020 02:14
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It's not like a Marvel comic having Captain America beat up Hitler or some poo poo like that. I mean I realize that the Doc is objectively a terrible person and a clear-cut villain (who doesn't hesitate to experiment on his own grandson and has probably turned a baby into a Noumu given his warping Noumu's size) but there was the very real option of, you know, not using that as a name.
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Feb 3, 2020 02:16
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Funky Valentine posted:So if this was a western comic this would be the equivalent to naming him Mengele Verminkiller? No, because victims of his actions weren't nicknamed Mengele as a euphemism. The closest would probably be like Dr Jude or something similar, and even that's kinda missing the same vibe really. Him being named something akin to Mengele would be the way to keep this reference, as intended, without it having the unfortunate misfire in its execution. By naming him after someone involved in the project, you keep the reference to Unit 731 and their hosed up human experimentation. And that way you don't also name him after the victims of that same experiment by accident. Lotus Aura fucked around with this message at 02:27 on Feb 3, 2020 |
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Feb 3, 2020 02:23
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On one hand I agree on the other hand acting like Americans don't regularly lionize their own war criminals, slave owners, rapists, and other horrific people is pretty ridiculous, let alone using them in negative fashion.
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Feb 3, 2020 02:25
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Seriously, the most obvious call here is to name him Ishii instead.ImpAtom posted:On one hand I agree on the other hand acting like Americans don't regularly lionize their own war criminals, slave owners, rapists, and other horrific people is pretty ridiculous, let alone using them in negative fashion. 1) Horikoshi is drawing criticism from Chinese and Korean fans for this. 2) The whole "uwu America does bad things too so Americans can't criticise bad things anyone else does" shtick is extremely tiresome.
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Feb 3, 2020 02:26
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Flesnolk posted:1) Horikoshi is drawing criticism from Chinese and Korean fans for this. No, but when the Americans are wringing their hands and wondering how such a thing could happen and it's not at ALL like America then it becomes dumb.
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Feb 3, 2020 02:27
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ImpAtom posted:No, but when the Americans are wringing their hands and wondering how such a thing could happen and it's not at ALL like America then it becomes dumb. What the gently caress does this matter.
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Feb 3, 2020 02:29
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Well, I'm not an American.
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Feb 3, 2020 02:31
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Funky Valentine posted:What the gently caress does this matter. Because trying to act like it's not an ongoing and serious issue with superhero comics that they make incredibly tasteless references to real-world atrocities (many of those committed by America) is weird, as is trying to defend it by going "no see it's different from (x)" is ridiculous. It was an extremely bad decision that is entirely in-tone with the things MHA is based on. The fact that both of those things can be true is relevant to discussing what the problem is and why it may have happened beyond 'welp, turns out the author is actually a war criminal apologist.' It is, in fact, a lot like superhero comics where we loved (and still love) to go to real world things as easy markers for villainhood. These range from serial killers to genuine atrocities and it is genuinely pretty lovely. This deserves serious criticism and any fans who are angry enough to drop the series over it are completely justified, but let's not pretend like it's different from American comics in any way.
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Feb 3, 2020 02:49
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If Horikoshi apologizes, I'll be fine. If he changes Murata's name, I'll also be fine.
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Feb 3, 2020 02:54
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Change his name to Gerald Robotnik. Everyone wins.
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Feb 3, 2020 03:13
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Next chapter he reveals that it he was using a fake name for his public life and reveal his true name(which will also be a reference to a war criminal).
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Feb 3, 2020 03:19
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As mentioned it's basically like naming the guy Dr Holocaust.
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Rhonne posted:Next chapter he reveals that it he was using a fake name for his public life and reveal his true name(which will also be a reference to a war criminal). Hideki Fumimaro Ultrahitler Ishii IV
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Feb 3, 2020 04:11
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MonsterEnvy posted:As mentioned it's basically like naming the guy Dr Holocaust. Dr. Shoah might be a more accurate version in that it's instantly picked up by the families and descendants of the victims while not necessarily being as recognizable to others.
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Feb 3, 2020 04:39
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MonsterEnvy posted:Dr Holocaust. I smell a new frank miller comic in the works.
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Feb 3, 2020 05:44
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As far as specifically American atrocities go, DC introduced villain named Agent Orange a while ago, though as he transitioned towards lovable scamp instead, they mostly called him by his name Larfleeze instead.
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Feb 3, 2020 06:08
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They're changing the name apparently.
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Feb 3, 2020 12:30
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Junpei posted:If Horikoshi apologizes, I'll be fine. If he changes Murata's name, I'll also be fine.
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Feb 3, 2020 13:27
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Fabricated posted:They're changing the name apparently.
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Feb 3, 2020 13:34
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https://twitter.com/horikoshiko/status/1224295830389055488?s=19 Basically just saying the intent wasn't to reference historical events and that they're changing the name.
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Feb 3, 2020 13:41
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Google Search has told me that, while there is no Captain Holocaust, there is a Captain Nazi as well as some villains named "Holocaust" in DC and Marvel.
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Feb 3, 2020 13:46
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While it's just as likely to be a cover-up story for damage control, it is possible that Horikoshi genuinely didn't mean to reference that guy. Maruta is the problematic term but it is also a common word and an anagram for Daruma which is the name he uses when interacting with the League. Either way it's getting changed so it doesn't matter, but hopefully it doesn't turn the hordes against Horikoshi if he genuinely didn't mean to be insensitive.
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Feb 3, 2020 13:48
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Cipher Pol 9 posted:While it's just as likely to be a cover-up story for damage control, it is possible that Horikoshi genuinely didn't mean to reference that guy. Maruta is the problematic term but it is also a common word and an anagram for Daruma which is the name he uses when interacting with the League. Either way it's getting changed so it doesn't matter, but hopefully it doesn't turn the hordes against Horikoshi if he genuinely didn't mean to be insensitive. It's not even on the radar elsewhere.
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Feb 3, 2020 13:52
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It´s kind of a dumb name to use. Like he knows they are searching for him. He's extremely careful. Why would you use an obvious name like that? Surely they will never find me and discover my horrible inhuman experiments if I use an alias referring to horrible inhuman experiments!
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Mulderman posted:It´s kind of a dumb name to use. His real name IS inhuman experiments. His alias is daruma
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Feb 3, 2020 14:18
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Oh wow you're right. Makes more sense, but yeah. Glad he's changing it.
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Feb 3, 2020 14:22
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MonsterEnvy posted:As mentioned it's basically like naming the guy Dr Holocaust. cough cough Granted, Marvel changed that, too, eventually
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Feb 3, 2020 14:35
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The key difference here, for me at least, is that the ones making Doctor Holocaust and Captain Nazi or whatnot are not the people from the country responsible for that poo poo. Marvel's not from Germany. Neither is DC.
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Feb 3, 2020 14:39
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I know the discussion topic is kinda serious right now, but I just wanna say that the little nomu in his little shoes is very adorable.
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Feb 3, 2020 14:43
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tweet my meat posted:I know the discussion topic is kinda serious right now, but I just wanna say that the little nomu in his little shoes is very adorable. I thought it was horrifying!
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tweet my meat posted:I know the discussion topic is kinda serious right now, but I just wanna say that the little nomu in his little shoes is very adorable. It was probably made using an adorable baby. kidcoelacanth posted:I thought it was horrifying! It was probably made using a horrifying baby.
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I'm not saying it's not ethically horrifying, because it certainly is, but look at that little guy with his big ol' smile and his fancy shoes.
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