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Cojawfee
May 31, 2006
I think the US is dumb for not using Celsius

LifeSunDeath posted:

proper kerning takes extreme calculations

Hope you know how to do integration by parts.

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ryonguy
Jun 27, 2013

SneezeOfTheDecade posted:

PYF Weird Browser Behavior

I still would love to know why Firefox, on Ubuntu 18.04/Gnome, pegs all my cores and eats all available RAM when I install a font.

Normal and cool software behavior.



It totally makes sense to run multiple instances of your program to "improve stability" instead of not writing poo poo code.

Arivia
Mar 17, 2011

LifeSunDeath posted:

that case is awesome. I really like cube cases.

Cooling chat: I know one of my friends tried this at one point funneling air from the A/C vent, not sure how well it worked



How is it, being friends with Linus Sebastian?

Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012

BREADS

ryonguy posted:

Normal and cool software behavior.



It totally makes sense to run multiple instances of your program

This but unironically.

rndmnmbr
Jul 3, 2012

Frankly, I'm not blaming Firefox, I'm blaming the lovely coding on the websites we ask it to run.

Wasabi the J
Jan 23, 2008

MOM WAS RIGHT

Buttcoin purse posted:

That's a Core i7-3960x? How was that machine obsolete in 2015, what could it no longer do?

I'm using an i7-4770 which is admittedly the next generation but mostly I just want to increase the RAM up to 32GB from 16GB to deal with my massive number of Firefox tabs :v: Admittedly I'm not trying to play any recent games on here, just sometimes run some older games and/or some virtual machines.

I was bad at overclocking and optimization. I was trying to be on the bleeding edge and my luck with getting the consistency that reviews were getting was impossible to me.

It's perfectly serviceable but I don't PC game much these days and it's not overclocked at all and it still dies randomly.

Groda
Mar 17, 2005

Hair Elf

Buttcoin purse posted:

That's a Core i7-3960x? How was that machine obsolete in 2015, what could it no longer do?

I'm using an i7-4770 which is admittedly the next generation but mostly I just want to increase the RAM up to 32GB from 16GB to deal with my massive number of Firefox tabs :v: Admittedly I'm not trying to play any recent games on here, just sometimes run some older games and/or some virtual machines.

I have an i7-4770 and 32 GB, and I've never once managed to browse my way over 16 GB. Mostly I wanted to turn off virtual memory.

Buttcoin purse
Apr 24, 2014

ryonguy posted:

Normal and cool software behavior.



It totally makes sense to run multiple instances of your program to "improve stability" instead of not writing poo poo code.

It's not a dumb idea. Nobody's code is perfect, but the operating system is probably much better tested than any individual application, and the CPU even more so, and the operating system can provide features like memory isolation between processes by taking advantage of CPU features, and applications generally can't do that. If they can, they'll probably screw it up, and who wants to reinvent the wheel anyway?

Wasabi the J posted:

I was bad at overclocking and optimization. I was trying to be on the bleeding edge and my luck with getting the consistency that reviews were getting was impossible to me.

It's perfectly serviceable but I don't PC game much these days and it's not overclocked at all and it still dies randomly.

Oh, well that sucks. I'd prefer reliable over fast almost any day!

Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012

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Task Manager double‐counts a lot of that memory, by the way

Firefox consumes much less memory than adding up the processes would lead one to believe.

KozmoNaut
Apr 23, 2008

Happiness is a warm
Turbo Plasma Rifle


I wonder what's going on with some people seeing massive memory leaks in Firefox, because I've literally never had that problem, on dozens of different machine/OS combinations, and I've been using the browser since it was called Phoenix.

Do you have tons of add-ons installed or an excessive number of tabs or something?

Peanut Butler
Jul 25, 2003



I'm still running a Core 2 Duo with sporadic upgrades and a GPU from 2008 as my main desktop and it's not nearly as crippling as a decade-old computer woulda been in p much any other decade of computing

windows 7 dying is probably the second 'well gently caress' moment after not being able to run DX11, and even so it's not rly that bad

KozmoNaut
Apr 23, 2008

Happiness is a warm
Turbo Plasma Rifle


I have no immediate plans to upgrade my 2011-vintage Phenom 2 X6 1100T. I've put in an SSD, maxed the RAM to 16GB and the GPU is a relatively recent RX560.

It runs GTA IV at 1080p on ultra settings, staying around 50fps. Pretty good performance in Metro 2033 Redux, too.

My next PC will probably be a refurbed workstation with an i5 or Ryzen or something and a decent GPU, I can't be bothered buying a brand new PC anymore.

Peanut Butler
Jul 25, 2003



yah it also helps that a lot of games produced after the 2008 recession have been made to be able to run on budget PCs

garry's mod still runs great and that is the only game I rly play where rendering matters; Paradox games are slower than they otherwise would be, but also fast enough to be playable

ryonguy
Jun 27, 2013

KozmoNaut posted:

I have no immediate plans to upgrade my 2011-vintage Phenom 2 X6 1100T. I've put in an SSD, maxed the RAM to 16GB and the GPU is a relatively recent RX560.

It runs GTA IV at 1080p on ultra settings, staying around 50fps. Pretty good performance in Metro 2033 Redux, too.

My next PC will probably be a refurbed workstation with an i5 or Ryzen or something and a decent GPU, I can't be bothered buying a brand new PC anymore.

Same here, SSD plus a GTX750, runs pretty much anything I've wanted to play until recently.

Re: your PC search, good luck finding anything reasonably priced that doesn't have proprietary power supplies. That kept me from upgrading to a new one and now I'm trying to bite the bullet and simply upgrade to 10 on the machine I have.

Cojawfee
May 31, 2006
I think the US is dumb for not using Celsius

Peanut Butler posted:

I'm still running a Core 2 Duo with sporadic upgrades and a GPU from 2008 as my main desktop and it's not nearly as crippling as a decade-old computer woulda been in p much any other decade of computing

windows 7 dying is probably the second 'well gently caress' moment after not being able to run DX11, and even so it's not rly that bad

Jeez, a Core 2 Duo. Trying to play GTAIV was a big factor in me getting off of that and into an i5. That game ran like poo poo if you didn't have a quad core.

future ghost
Dec 5, 2005

:byetankie:
Gun Saliva
I think I've gotten rid of my core2 era equipment, all except for a few CPUs and DDR2 sticks that weren't worth selling which are sat in a box in the closet. SSDs made the core2quads passable to use, but between modern web browsers and the advance of time I can't imagine going back to them unless I had no other option. That said anything from E6xxx and up was incredible at the time compared to earlier chips.

mobby_6kl
Aug 9, 2009

by Fluffdaddy

Cojawfee posted:

Jeez, a Core 2 Duo. Trying to play GTAIV was a big factor in me getting off of that and into an i5. That game ran like poo poo if you didn't have a quad core.

Obviously the right solution to that is an ebay Q6600. Game ran fine on that.

Sweevo
Nov 8, 2007

i sometimes throw cables away

i mean straight into the bin without spending 10+ years in the box of might-come-in-handy-someday first

im a fucking monster

I'm still using an E5430 Xeon (roughly equivalent to a Q9300 or Q9400 Core2Quad) and it's perfectly fine for web browsing. Then again I'm not one of those weirdos who has 200 tabs open and then bitches about the computer being slow...

Sweevo has a new favorite as of 21:59 on Feb 3, 2020

Johnny Aztec
Jan 30, 2005

by Hand Knit
Well, I suppose you don't need much if all you are doing is checking your Yahoo email.

Nocheez
Sep 5, 2000

Can you spare a little cheddar?
Nap Ghost
All the lovely tech in this very thread is why I built something ridiculous: because I could and I always wanted a top of the line machine. Now I just need to sell my kid to travelers and I can game all day!

Cojawfee
May 31, 2006
I think the US is dumb for not using Celsius

future ghost posted:

I think I've gotten rid of my core2 era equipment, all except for a few CPUs and DDR2 sticks that weren't worth selling which are sat in a box in the closet. SSDs made the core2quads passable to use, but between modern web browsers and the advance of time I can't imagine going back to them unless I had no other option. That said anything from E6xxx and up was incredible at the time compared to earlier chips.

I had an E8400 and it ran and overclocked like a champ.

Erulisse
Feb 12, 2019

A bad poster trying to get better.
Xeon masterrace here, E5-1650v2 with 32gb reg-ecc ram and a 1080. Runs anything great, sometimes at high instead of ultra just for temp (noise) reasons. I like my pc quieter than my kb :v:

3D Megadoodoo
Nov 25, 2010

I have no idea what you kids are on about.

Rev. Bleech_
Oct 19, 2004

~OKAY, WE'LL DRINK TO OUR LEGS!~

i5-4690 with 16GB of RAM here. Other than adding first a regular SSD, then an m.2 SSD, and swapping in a GeForce GTX 960 it's been mostly untouched hardware-wise since 2015. I've never had a PC I've used for a full 5 years, but it still runs everything I want to and even heavier poo poo like Battlefield V runs perfectly fine.

future ghost
Dec 5, 2005

:byetankie:
Gun Saliva

Cojawfee posted:

I had an E8400 and it ran and overclocked like a champ.
Coming from a 3.9ghz Pentium-D 940 I wasn't overly impressed when I got a E6600. It was definitely faster, but it didn't really translate into anything noticeable on the desktop. However jumping from the E6600 to a G0-revision Q6600 was (pre-SSDs) very much a 'this is the future' moment.

mobby_6kl
Aug 9, 2009

by Fluffdaddy

future ghost posted:

Coming from a 3.9ghz Pentium-D 940 I wasn't overly impressed when I got a E6600. It was definitely faster, but it didn't really translate into anything noticeable on the desktop. However jumping from the E6600 to a G0-revision Q6600 was (pre-SSDs) very much a 'this is the future' moment.

I went from a single core, single thread Northwood 2.66GHz P4 stragiht to the Q6600 that I mentioned. It was pretty much just like this:



Right now that system is just standing unused as I had to pull the power supply for another PC but with an SSD it'd be perfectly usable which is crazy for a 13 year old computer.

mobby_6kl has a new favorite as of 00:26 on Feb 4, 2020

twistedmentat
Nov 21, 2003

Its my party
and I'll die if
I want to
I remember going from 486 to Pentium made a lot of games completely unplayable because their speed was tied to clock speed so that jump made everything go too fast.

And that's why we have the turbo button!

3D Megadoodoo
Nov 25, 2010

There was always Alleycat

Krispy Wafer
Jul 26, 2002

I shouted out "Free the exposed 67"
But they stood on my hair and told me I was fat

Grimey Drawer
What’s with the Core2Duo hate? Buying one of those was probably the single biggest performance leap I’ve ever experienced. Holy crap video rendered fast.

It’s slow now and Apple probably shouldn’t have sold them in some way, shape, or form for 4 loving years, but it was still banging for its day.

Peanut Butler
Jul 25, 2003



Cojawfee posted:

Jeez, a Core 2 Duo. Trying to play GTAIV was a big factor in me getting off of that and into an i5. That game ran like poo poo if you didn't have a quad core.

It ran OK if you tweaked parameters and are used to ~25fps but I had a 360 back then so yah I mostly played on that
I sold the Xbox when it turned out I only used it to play GTA4 and Uno

gta5 is unplayable due to input lag measured in seconds

Dick Trauma
Nov 30, 2007

God damn it, you've got to be kind.
Back in the old days when the Mac IIfx came out they had to patch the OS because scrolling windows were flying by at Mach 1.

LifeSunDeath
Jan 4, 2007

still gay rights and smoke weed every day

twistedmentat posted:

I remember going from 486 to Pentium made a lot of games completely unplayable because their speed was tied to clock speed so that jump made everything go too fast.

And that's why we have the turbo button!

When I had my last car, I really wanted to do this mod, but with a turbo button

twistedmentat
Nov 21, 2003

Its my party
and I'll die if
I want to

LifeSunDeath posted:

When I had my last car, I really wanted to do this mod, but with a turbo button


It would need a lock on it to for that perfect 90s computer case feel.

future ghost
Dec 5, 2005

:byetankie:
Gun Saliva

Krispy Wafer posted:

What’s with the Core2Duo hate? Buying one of those was probably the single biggest performance leap I’ve ever experienced. Holy crap video rendered fast.
It's not really hate. They were good in 2007-2009, just not so much in 2019 2020. Also any motherboard still running them is definitely past-EOL. I almost kept mine through the first-gen i-series with no problems, only interrupting for an ill-advised i7-920 that made mother Earth cry when overclocked.

Core2duos instantly obsoleted everything older overnight. They're only overshadowed in retrospect by Sandybridge which is still reasonably fast almost a decade later, especially if you got a 2600k early-on.

future ghost has a new favorite as of 02:41 on Feb 4, 2020

Peanut Butler
Jul 25, 2003



yeah and they're insanely overclockable; mines been overclocked with a stock fan that I really don't clean as much as I should given the weed I'm smoking, and it's never been unstable in the decade+ I've used it

thought about getting a cheap used Q6600 but I might just save my pennies for an I-series setup

mostlygray
Nov 1, 2012

BURY ME AS I LIVED, A FREE MAN ON THE CLUTCH
I just remembered that, back in the 90's, my buddy was staying in the dorms during summer break. The summer dorms were not air conditioned and it was a very hot summer. He had an AMD CPU overclocked to hell. I want to say it was a K6 clocked to around 600 MHz. He had to tweak the hell out of it and it never ran stable.

It was so hot in his room, he created a water cooler with two peltier junctions in series, connected to a home-grown intercooler that he built running regular antifreeze through an old VW radiator using a Mountain Dew bottle as a burp tank and a bunch of 5" muffin fans for airflow through the radiator using a spare 12v power supply.

As I recall, it didn't work well, but the idea was sound. He did burn the poo poo out of himself on the hot side of the peltier but that's how you learn.

Not sure why I completely forgot about it until now. The nice thing was that, in the 90's, there was always a Radio Shack around where you could get any part you wanted at any time. For whatever nefarious purposes you intended.

Kwyndig
Sep 23, 2006

Heeeeeey


Yeah I miss Radio Shack, best obsolete technology.

Shai-Hulud
Jul 10, 2008

But it feels so right!
Lipstick Apathy
I only replaced my 4690k because the mainboard poo poo the bed and im using a Mini-ITX System. Finding a good Mini-ITX mainboard with a socket 1150 is pretty much impossible or even the crappy used ones are priced like new current boards.
I replaced it with a Ryzen 5 2600X which has two more cores, 8 more threads and cost like 120€.
Decent CPUs are cheap as hell and stay decent for quite some time now. Now GPUs! Thats where you can spend some goddamn money!

Cojawfee
May 31, 2006
I think the US is dumb for not using Celsius

Krispy Wafer posted:

What’s with the Core2Duo hate? Buying one of those was probably the single biggest performance leap I’ve ever experienced. Holy crap video rendered fast.

It’s slow now and Apple probably shouldn’t have sold them in some way, shape, or form for 4 loving years, but it was still banging for its day.

I don't hate the Core2Duo, I loved mine. When I think back on the processors I've owned, I think of that E8400 and I think it was an Athlon 64 FX or Athlon X2 or something. That thing loved to overclock too. Nothing has really wowed me as much as those two did.

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Humphreys
Jan 26, 2013

We conceived a way to use my mother as a porn mule


twistedmentat posted:

It would need a lock on it to for that perfect 90s computer case feel.

Ah, the first lock I ever picked

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