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isaboo
Nov 11, 2002

Muay Buok
ขอให้โชคดี
I haven't seen Honey Boy but Shia is great in The Peanut Butter Falcon and so is Zach as the titular character. As someone else said his Hot Ones episode is one of the best. Some of the stories he's told on late night talk shows are good ways to pass the time on YouTube too. The guy is seriously loving funny.

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precision
May 7, 2006

by VideoGames
Shia "the boof" had the worst segment of Nymphomaniac tho

Teriyaki Hairpiece
Dec 29, 2006

I'm nae the voice o' the darkened thistle, but th' darkened thistle cannae bear the sight o' our Bonnie Prince Bernie nae mair.
I feel like it was really cool to hate Shia LaBoeuf not too long ago, maybe the mid-late 2000's? I don't really get why that was though. A Guide to Recognizing Your Saints was 2006.

sand maggot
Jan 3, 2020

Teriyaki Hairpiece posted:

I feel like it was really cool to hate Shia LaBoeuf not too long ago, maybe the mid-late 2000's? I don't really get why that was though. A Guide to Recognizing Your Saints was 2006.

Have you heard of this film franchise called Transformers?

Deadite
Aug 30, 2003

A fat guy, a watermelon, and a stack of magazines?
Family.
He was doing a lot of weird poo poo like wearing a paper bag on his head and having an apology written in the sky because he ripped off someone’s work. It seemed like he just really wanted attention for being weird rather than acting.

Steve Yun
Aug 7, 2003
I'm a parasitic landlord that needs to get a job instead of stealing worker's money. Make sure to remind me when I post.
Soiled Meat
I think he’s got a great crisis management person because whoever advised him to do the random “just do it” green screen meme, the Actual Cannibal stage show and Honey Boy was a genius at turning his image around

JBP
Feb 16, 2017

You've got to know, to understand,
Baby, take me by my hand,
I'll lead you to the promised land.
I am 100% team Shia now.

That Works
Jul 22, 2006

Every revolution evaporates and leaves behind only the slime of a new bureaucracy


Deadite posted:

He was doing a lot of weird poo poo like wearing a paper bag on his head and having an apology written in the sky because he ripped off someone’s work. It seemed like he just really wanted attention for being weird rather than acting.

Yeah he had that and a couple of other cringeworthy things online etc that were just really weird and not funny etc.

beanieson
Sep 25, 2008

I had the opportunity to change literally anything about the world and I used it to get a new av

JBP posted:

I am 100% team Shia now.

I even like transformers 1

The MSJ
May 17, 2010

There are people who wants Paramount and Hasbro to bring him back for Transformers 6 or whatever. With current Shia that would be very interesting.

What I am saying is he should play a Quintesson judge, the guys with 5 faces.

Field Mousepad
Mar 21, 2010
BAE
Season 4 of Better Call Saul is up on Netflix :woop:

veni veni veni
Jun 5, 2005


Field Mousepad posted:

Season 4 of Better Call Saul is up on Netflix :woop:

Oh hell yeah

precision
May 7, 2006

by VideoGames

Field Mousepad posted:

Season 4 of Better Call Saul is up on Netflix :woop:

Ze Germans!

tweet my meat
Oct 2, 2013

yospos
The new Picard show on CBS All Access doesn't feel very much like star trek, but it is quite good despite that.

Groovelord Neato
Dec 6, 2014


I'd love to ask the writers how a Fox News analogue would arise in a post-scarcity socialist utopia.

IShallRiseAgain
Sep 12, 2008

Well ain't that precious?

Groovelord Neato posted:

I'd love to ask the writers how a Fox News analogue would arise in a post-scarcity socialist utopia.

Fox News is basically state run media for the Republican party, so I could see it being a thing.

Groovelord Neato
Dec 6, 2014


There wouldn't be a profit motive (which is why both Fox News and the GOP exist) in a post-scarcity socialist utopia.

IShallRiseAgain
Sep 12, 2008

Well ain't that precious?

Groovelord Neato posted:

There wouldn't be a profit motive (which is why both Fox News and the GOP exist) in a post-scarcity socialist utopia.

Profit motive isn't the only reason that someone would want to manipulate the opinions of the masses. Money is just the most tangible and easily measured form of power, but people still have desires for other forms of power.

SuperMechagodzilla
Jun 9, 2007

NEWT REBORN

Groovelord Neato posted:

I'd love to ask the writers how a Fox News analogue would arise in a post-scarcity socialist utopia.

Star Trek doesn’t depict a post-scarcity socialist utopia.

Groovelord Neato
Dec 6, 2014


SuperMechagodzilla posted:

Star Trek doesn’t depict a post-scarcity socialist utopia.

Why did I even have to check who posted this.

IShallRiseAgain posted:

Profit motive isn't the only reason that someone would want to manipulate the opinions of the masses. Money is just the most tangible and easily measured form of power, but people still have desires for other forms of power.

Why would there be an internal power imbalance in a post-scarcity society? There are no rich on top that need to get a portion of the population that isn't ultrarich on their side to work against their material interests.

IShallRiseAgain
Sep 12, 2008

Well ain't that precious?

Groovelord Neato posted:

Why did I even have to check who posted this.


Why would there be an internal power imbalance in a post-scarcity society? There are no rich on top that need to get a portion of the population that isn't ultrarich on their side to work against their material interests.

There is always someone that wants to be in charge, and in control. Human resources will always be a finite resource. Ideological interests are also a thing.

Miching Mallecho
May 24, 2010

:yeshaha:
I’m watching The Report on Prime video and I’m liking it. I wish this movie got more buzz and marketing because it should’ve gotten some more award love.

After this I’m watching Honey Boy:cheers:

Alkabob
May 31, 2011
I would like to speak to the manager about the socialists, please

Tim Whatley posted:

McMillions, the docuseries on HBO about the McDonald's Monopoly scam, loving rules.

You mean the Doug Matthews Awesome Happy Fun Time Extravaganza?

Enos Cabell
Nov 3, 2004


Scooter_McCabe posted:

You mean the Doug Matthews Awesome Happy Fun Time Extravaganza?

The "wanna drink a beer with that guy" reading on Doug is off the charts.

Sock The Great
Oct 1, 2006

It's Lonely At The Top. But It's Comforting To Look Down Upon Everyone At The Bottom
Grimey Drawer

Scooter_McCabe posted:

You mean the Doug Matthews Awesome Happy Fun Time Extravaganza?

How the hell is this going to be six parts? I think the subject is super interesting, but there’s no way this story couldn’t be told in 2 hours.

nate fisher
Mar 3, 2004

We've Got To Go Back
I am not a fan of this trend of documentaries being turned into a miniseries. There is no reason why it can’t be a 2 to 3 hour movie. I just don’t the time, so good chance I will not watch it.

Sir Kodiak
May 14, 2007


Groovelord Neato posted:

I'd love to ask the writers how a Fox News analogue would arise in a post-scarcity socialist utopia.

The third episode literally features someone complaining that she lives in a self-described "hovel" while Picard lives on his vineyard estate tended by a pair of helpers and a team of robots. There are blatantly resources that people desire that are scarce.

precision
May 7, 2006

by VideoGames

Enos Cabell posted:

The "wanna drink a beer with that guy" reading on Doug is off the charts.

Yeah, he's so great. I legit think he should become an actor

veni veni veni
Jun 5, 2005


Howard and Kim are low key one of the best things about Better Call Saul.

precision
May 7, 2006

by VideoGames

veni veni veni posted:

Howard and Kim are low key one of the best things about Better Call Saul.

Absolutely. I love Howard lol.

ONE YEAR LATER
Apr 13, 2004

Fry old buddy, it's me, Bender!
Oven Wrangler

Sir Kodiak posted:

The third episode literally features someone complaining that she lives in a self-described "hovel" while Picard lives on his vineyard estate tended by a pair of helpers and a team of robots. There are blatantly resources that people desire that are scarce.

Isn't the point of the replicator technology that you can turn literal poo poo into whatever is needed? I know very little about Star Trek in general outside of watching some of the movies and reruns of TNG and Voyager, so forgive me if I'm incorrect.

fenix down
Jan 12, 2005

For Sama is on Prime and it is absolutely gut-wrenching in its portrayal of conflict in the Middle East.

If you can stomach the unfiltered violence, it is definitely worth a watch.

Sir Kodiak
May 14, 2007


ONE YEAR LATER posted:

Isn't the point of the replicator technology that you can turn literal poo poo into whatever is needed? I know very little about Star Trek in general outside of watching some of the movies and reruns of TNG and Voyager, so forgive me if I'm incorrect.

Nah, they talk about how it needs to be stocked with particular precursor compounds that it uses to build stuff, and there's limits on what it can make. There's plotlines about people flying around interstellar freighters, running out of spare parts, etc., which wouldn't make sense if replicators could do it all.

SuperMechagodzilla
Jun 9, 2007

NEWT REBORN

Sir Kodiak posted:

The third episode literally features someone complaining that she lives in a self-described "hovel" while Picard lives on his vineyard estate tended by a pair of helpers and a team of robots. There are blatantly resources that people desire that are scarce.

Right: the popular misconception that Star Trek depicts a socialist or even communist society is working backwards from the conclusion that it is a utopia.

Like, nobody’s starving (onscreen) because they have access to a ‘replicator’. That’s good, and communism’s good, therefore it must be communism. But Star Trek is actually super-cagey about how its ‘New World Economy’ actually works.

It’s something I’ve been meaning to go into in detail.

ONE YEAR LATER
Apr 13, 2004

Fry old buddy, it's me, Bender!
Oven Wrangler

Sir Kodiak posted:

Nah, they talk about how it needs to be stocked with particular precursor compounds that it uses to build stuff, and there's limits on what it can make. There's plotlines about people flying around interstellar freighters, running out of spare parts, etc., which wouldn't make sense if replicators could do it all.

K that makes sense, thanks for the info.

feedmyleg
Dec 25, 2004

SuperMechagodzilla posted:

Right: the popular misconception that Star Trek depicts a socialist or even communist society is working backwards from the conclusion that it is a utopia.

Like, nobody’s starving (onscreen) because they have access to a ‘replicator’. That’s good, and communism’s good, therefore it must be communism. But Star Trek is actually super-cagey about how its ‘New World Economy’ actually works.

It’s something I’ve been meaning to go into in detail.

I, despite not being a big Star Trek guy, watch a decent number of lore videos on YouTube for some reason. This one popped up the other day:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DnfzPn7drHs

e: Do not get turned off by the poorly-lit dweeb, it's actually pretty solid.

feedmyleg fucked around with this message at 17:00 on Feb 10, 2020

K. Waste
Feb 27, 2014

MORAL:
To the vector belong the spoils.
Watch The Body Rememberers When the World Broke Open on Netflix.

Field Mousepad
Mar 21, 2010
BAE

veni veni veni posted:

Howard and Kim are low key one of the best things about Better Call Saul.

Kim should be the blueprint of how to write an awesome female lead character.

SuperMechagodzilla
Jun 9, 2007

NEWT REBORN

feedmyleg posted:

I, despite not being a big Star Trek guy, watch a decent number of lore videos on YouTube for some reason. This one popped up the other day:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DnfzPn7drHs

e: Do not get turned off by the poorly-lit dweeb, it's actually pretty solid.

That's the popular view I was talking about as, while he gets a lot right, the dude makes the same basic mistake:

“The acquisition of wealth is no longer the driving force of our lives.”

Characters in "next generation" Star Trek continually refer to overcoming the personal need to accumulate wealth in the form of objects, being instead motivated by a "philosophy of self-enhancement". While it's true we don't see too much along the lines of conspicuous consumption, that is absolutely not the same thing as the abolition of private property. Likewise, the continual reference to there being no money in the future is not the same thing as anticapitalism.

(Additionally, his wikipedia sources say that governments in the Federation share resources between eachother. There is next to nothing about the people.)

What the shows actually depict is a sort of moneyless/cashless capitalism transformed by the invention of the "replicator" technology that allows any matter to be transformed into energy and vice-versa (a process that must be immensely wasteful, as it happens). And again, the series is extremely cagey about where all the power is actually coming from. There are oblique references to mining companies, whose operations - especially concerning the potent fuel source 'dilithium' - are constantly going on in the background. It appears that workers in the Federation are paid in credits that can be exchanged for just raw power and 'recipes' for replicatable goods.

Here we should note that the Federation evidently has extremely strict intellectual property laws. While recipes for some generic things (like Hot Earl Grey Tea) may be open-source, others may be prohibitively expensive. The same is true of holodeck programs.

(And that's all leaving aside the fact that there is still trade in non-replicated goods.)

We can get most concrete in how the series deals with the topic of equality, as it comes up constantly with each new alien and/or robot - and it is basically never addressed in economic terms. Only in terms of, like, multicultural tolerance.

SuperMechagodzilla fucked around with this message at 18:51 on Feb 10, 2020

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Simplex
Jun 29, 2003

The series is a gigantic clusterfuck of ideas at this point, so there really is no unified vision of how the economy works.

Some of the earlier Trek is a little more explicit in stating that modern economic theories of capitalism or socialism are outright irrelevant in the Star Trek future.

To use your energy example, energy is so free and prevalent that it is functionally post- scarcity at the consumer level. There is far more clean energy available than any single user is capable of consuming.

The federation credits are used to trade with entities outside the federation, and most often are depicted as betting kind of worthless. Probably because they have no value within the Fed.

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