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The real mistake is making Freddy a wisecracker in the first place. In the first movie he's a scary guy, but by the end of the series he was a farce. And yes I know the irony of my av right now
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Making Freddy innocent but also the monster murdering innocents feels like an unnecessary exercise done just for the sake of the swerve. The remake explored the idea and I thought it just felt weird. Like the vigilante murder is wrong and that's built into the consequence of him coming back for revenge, but what makes Freddy truly monstrous is that he's not really doing it for revenge. He's doing it because he likes it. Is Nightmare on Elm Street really one we need to "fix"?
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Feb 10, 2020 18:39
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Related: I got another email from a Kickstarter from 4 years ago that apparently is finally happening with "My Gay Nightmare," a documentary by Mark Patton about his experience on NoES 2 and being a closeted gay man in the 80s.
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Shrecknet posted:Related: I got another email from a Kickstarter from 4 years ago that apparently is finally happening with "My Gay Nightmare," a documentary by Mark Patton about his experience on NoES 2 and being a closeted gay man in the 80s. I thought this was called Scream Queen and I thought it was already made?
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OpenSourceBurger posted:Here's a question: What is a bad horror film that you think with a little work could be amazing? Event Horizon. It's not actually a bad movie, in fact I like it. But conceptually it's just much cooler than the slightly better than a Sci Fi original quality of the film. I feel with some better production values and direction it would be a classic. I've been saying for years it could use a remake. Which is something I rarely want from any film.
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Shrecknet posted:Related: I got another email from a Kickstarter from 4 years ago that apparently is finally happening with "My Gay Nightmare," a documentary by Mark Patton about his experience on NoES 2 and being a closeted gay man in the 80s. had no idea that was a thing. i had the luck of meeting him at a showing of NoES2 when Peaches Christ was doing a drag show showing of it at the Castro theater. They had a whole performance before the screening of a whole lotta drag queens re-enacting the movie in 15 minutes. It was pretty spectacular. Nice dude.
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Feb 10, 2020 19:23
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Drunkboxer posted:I thought this was called Scream Queen and I thought it was already made? You're right on the title; it was already made but they're finally sending out digital/disc versions to backers.
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Shrecknet posted:You're right on the title; it was already made but they're finally sending out digital/disc versions to backers. Yeah I was confused for a second because I read reviews of it months ago. Hopefully it finds a home somewhere on a streaming service soon.
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STAC Goat posted:Making Freddy innocent but also the monster murdering innocents feels like an unnecessary exercise done just for the sake of the swerve. The remake explored the idea and I thought it just felt weird. Like the vigilante murder is wrong and that's built into the consequence of him coming back for revenge, but what makes Freddy truly monstrous is that he's not really doing it for revenge. He's doing it because he likes it. The remake played with the idea but then doubled down on him being guilty and made the child molestation/murder way more explicit than the originals. Which is the worst of all possible worlds. If Freddy maybe being innocent is something you're going to bring up, IMO once you've brought it up you have to make him actually innocent. That does make him a different character from the original Freddy, but that's not necessarily a bad thing. It makes him a more root-for-able villain if you're going to go the goofy slapstick Freddy route.
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Yeah, but the remake lost me BEFORE they doubled down. I just didn't know what it was expecting me to feel. Was I supposed to be rooting for the kids to set Freddy's tortured soul free or something? Were the kids supposed to deserve to die for lying? Was the vile murdering monster supposed to get sympathetic as he murdered teenagers who didn't even remember something they'd done as children? It was weird. Like... if you want to make Freddy some vengeful spirit then those he's seeking justified vengeance on shouldn't be literal children. The idea just doesn't work with the basic premise of Freddy/Nightmare on Elm Street, IMO. I mean, that movie had other problems but that was a big one. STAC Goat fucked around with this message at 20:07 on Feb 10, 2020 |
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Feb 10, 2020 20:05
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the point isn't so much to redeem Freddie as to establish that the enemy is the entire environment you live in and Freddie is incidental, that the parents are literally killing their children with their own selfishness, fear, and need for control ideally Freddie would still be a gross, bitter old man even if he never killed anyone. there's a logical reason he's the scapegoat, maybe he even wishes he WERE a vengeful ghost, but at the end of the day he had nothing to do with it
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Freddy being innocent I think does neuter the overall idea of the movie, which should be that mob justice is inherently flawed and just because the person is dead doesn't mean the trauma they caused all the sudden ceases to exist. If Freddy is innocent then the whole issue becomes a lot simpler because it's easy to look at a situation where an innocent man was killed and say yea that was wrong. But the more interesting issue is whether it's right or wrong when the man is guilty.
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Tuxedo Catfish posted:the point isn't so much to redeem Freddie as to establish that the enemy is the entire environment you live in and Freddie is incidental, that the parents are literally killing their children with their own selfishness, fear, and need for control It’s Freddy
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Feb 10, 2020 20:56
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We already have a movie of ‘what if Freddy was originally innocent?’ They made it ages ago and called it Candyman.
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Underwater is a few tweaks from greatness. step the gas on some of the gore, give us a little more pacing and boom. modern genre classic
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Feb 10, 2020 21:20
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alf_pogs posted:the gas on some of the gore this needs to be increased in every movie
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Kvlt! posted:this needs to be increased in every movie hey kvlt! wanna make a movie together? it'll be filmed entirely in back alleys and everyone will just be crying and smoking and lots of people will die with absurd amounts of gore, and there will be a very stark and dissonant soundtrack, and no happy ending.
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yeah we can make a documentary about my life if you want
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Feb 10, 2020 21:44
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Kvlt! posted:this needs to be increased in every movie Absolutely.
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Kvlt! posted:yeah we can make a documentary about my life if you want ok fine who's gonna play you though
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Adam Scott
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Powerman 5000 ain’t busy, get Spider One.
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Kvlt! posted:this needs to be increased in every movie Little Women definitely could’ve used some more head explosions
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aware of dog posted:Little Women definitely could’ve used some more head explosions Sounds like someone didn’t stay for the post-credits scene.
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Xenomrph posted:Sounds like someone didn’t stay for the post-credits scene. when Meg and Amy finish putting together their iron man-esque armor and reveal themselves to the town, whew. cant wait for the sequel.
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Darthemed posted:Powerman 5000 ain’t busy, get Spider One. A less approachable-looking Guy Fieri?
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CelticPredator posted:It’s Freddy i got too used to writing about the other one  King of Bleh posted:We already have a movie of ‘what if Freddy was originally innocent?’ They made it ages ago and called it Candyman. Candyman owns but there's a pretty crucial difference between the economic / cultural pressures on black neighborhoods producing a monstrous incarnation of anxiety and terror vs. a similar manifestation in suburbia Tuxedo Catfish fucked around with this message at 22:13 on Feb 10, 2020 |
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the actual "we already have a movie where Freddy's innocent" is Edward Scissorhands but it's so-so at best
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COOL CORN posted:ok fine who's gonna play you though in 6 foot 6 and 149 lbs the only option is one of the skeletons from tomb of the blind dead
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Feb 10, 2020 22:24
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Kvlt! posted:in 6 foot 6 and 149 lbs the only option is one of the skeletons from tomb of the blind dead You will be played by Stephen Merchant. I'm sorry, but there's nothing you can do about it
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https://twitter.com/PhilNobileJr/status/1226864025402793985?s=20
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Id award him a free lifetime subscription for that
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Feb 10, 2020 22:54
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alf_pogs posted:Id award him a free lifetime subscription for that just get a dumpster truck full of Fangoria mags featuring stuff like Jennifers Body, Teeth, It Follows and Ginger Snaps and dump them on their front lawn. problem not solved, but hilarious nonetheless.
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Does anyone have an opinion on The Lodge? I know it’s on a very limited release rn, but I figure someone might have seen it.
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Feb 10, 2020 23:35
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I liked The Lodge a lot! The desolation and the loneliness of the setting are captured very well, and I thought the performances of the three main actors were engaging and complex. It's less gruesome or psychological than Hello, Mommy was, but it has the same moral scrutiny of the relationship between children and their parents. It's more of a thriller than a horror movie in that the physical threat of their situation is deemphasized in favor of focusing on the increasing interpersonal tension.
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I'd like to see a version of Insidious where Jim Henson didn't do the creature design.
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What am I looking at here? Is the guy who posted this someone working at Fangoria, and am I reading that letter right that they are cancelling their subscription because they believe Fangoria is a left-leaning horror magazine?
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Yes, the notorious leftist magazine.... fangoria...
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I'm a little surprised that the alt-right is even interested in conventional horror movies and it's publications. I figure they'd use documentaries about immigrants to put themselves into that sweet "fight or flight" mode.
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ruddiger posted:What am I looking at here? Is the guy who posted this someone working at Fangoria, and am I reading that letter right that they are cancelling their subscription because they believe Fangoria is a left-leaning horror magazine? Yes and yes.
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