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Kaiser Schnitzel posted:I am way behind the times and am just now reading about the DD(X)/Zumwalt fiasco and lol they don't have any ammunition for the guns because each round was going to cost as much as a Tomahawk?! Is there any effort being made to make conventional ammunition for the Advanced Gun System, or is that just throwing good money after bad since I'm not sure how useful shore bombardment really is? I guess a shell is probably harder to shoot down than a missile, but don't the Israeli's or someone have stuff for shooting down mortars etc? Do they have any actually useful armament or are they just floating piles of sensors that are hard to detect? I guess a sneaky spy ship is sort of useful, but they seem mighty expensive for just being a toothless sneaky ship. yes, the AGS is a total dumpster fire, but they've still got 80 VLS cells; i'd hardly call that toothless. edit: to expand on that, a lot of the technological innovations on the class are proving themselves right now, like the advanced powerplants and electrical distribution, hullform, battle management systems, etc, and will filter down to production fleet hulls, just like Seawolf did for the Virginias, despite the small procurement. a classic death-spiral procurement case, but not totally useless like, say, LCS. anyways, the best shore bombardment the US has ever had will always be the SSGN converted Ohios brains fucked around with this message at 04:45 on Feb 11, 2020 |
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That gives excellent ability to shoot missiles and then leave and hope no one sees you.
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Blistex posted:I'm surprised that they didn't rig up some sort of big conveyor elevator. Trebuchets hurling bags of cement or something
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Feb 11, 2020 04:49
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They have the same problem as all the procurements from that era: f35, Ford, LCS. They crammed every bit of high tech next gen into the platform as they could and like and behold some of it was wonky and needs more work so they’re troubleshooting ten almost-prototype technologies at once in a full production vehicle rather than individual test beds Concurrent design is so, so loving stupid.
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Blistex posted:I'm surprised that they didn't rig up some sort of big conveyor elevator. Swinging a square peg at a round hole with sufficient force is the Soviet way god drat it.
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Dumb armchair clancychat thought, if you kept the well decks on the hypothetical San Antonio CG(X)'s, could you use that to somehow UNREP VLS missiles? drive a boat with missiles up the ramp?
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Feb 11, 2020 06:22
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RIP any Korean Air, Malaysian Air, or Ukrainian Air 737
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I wonder when Canada is going to retire our P-3 (CP-140M Aurora) variants for something newer hahahah never!!
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even New Zealand is going to beat you to having P-8's
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We'll probably end up buying Bombardier Challenger jets that are somehow less capable and more expensive than P-8s in the final tally
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priznat posted:We'll probably end up buying Bombardier Challenger jets that are somehow less capable and more expensive than P-8s in the final tally You're going to get ex- SAfrican Shackletons.
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Hauldren Collider posted:Dumb armchair clancychat thought, if you kept the well decks on the hypothetical San Antonio CG(X)'s, could you use that to somehow UNREP VLS missiles? drive a boat with missiles up the ramp? You can’t load the tubes from below so you’d need a good way to get them to the deck and loaded from above. Basically their own dedicated elevator and crane near the VLS, with a pretty large surface to service 96+ tubes (or duplicated if the VLS are dispersed). It might be possible but probably a lot more effort than it’s worth. The strike length canisters (Tonahawk, SM-6) are very long. Mazz fucked around with this message at 13:16 on Feb 11, 2020 |
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Blistex posted:I'm surprised that they didn't rig up some sort of big conveyor elevator. Perhaps 80s Soviet farming technology hadn't yet discovered the Archimedes screw.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h64Vi506aEk That would e a lot of sand/dust to deal with.
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Hauldren Collider posted:Dumb armchair clancychat thought, if you kept the well decks on the hypothetical San Antonio CG(X)'s, could you use that to somehow UNREP VLS missiles? drive a boat with missiles up the ramp? Turn half the well deck into a VLS bank? Yes please lol! The cranes on the LSD would be perfect. They have access to the well deck, plenty of vertical clearance too. I bet you could put 100+ vls on a refit LSD.
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LibCrusher posted:The lasers you would use to heat things up would be infra-red lasers invisible to the human eye. sensors to detect IR are both incredibly common and trivially inexpensive
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priznat posted:We'll probably end up buying Bombardier Challenger jets that are somehow less capable and more expensive than P-8s in the final tally Don't despair, I hear the RAF has a fixer-upper they want to sell large hands posted:Anybody got a pickup and room in their garage? An RAF base is offering their gate-guard Victor for free to a loving home. One of the coolest looking cold war jets imo, has that British post war Buck Rogers look turned up to 11.
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Cyrano4747 posted:Don't despair, I hear the RAF has a fixer-upper they want to sell Lmao. Victors are way too cool though. The aforementioned shackletons seem more on point except they can’t give bombardier a bunch of no bid business then.
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Cyrano4747 posted:Don't despair, I hear the RAF has a fixer-upper they want to sell The price is right, but my HOA would probably complain. But then I'd tell them that unless they can contest the airspace, well they can shut the gently caress up. Shout out to the dude who bought a sherman and parked it on the street in front of his house in an expensive neighborhood in Houston and told his neighbors to tow it if they had such a big problem with it
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zoux posted:The price is right, but my HOA would probably complain. But then I'd tell them that unless they can contest the airspace, well they can shut the gently caress up. I drove by his house (since he was in the area) hoping to get a picture or two, but decide to abort because there were already a couple dozen people who had the same idea and I didn’t want to crowd the overly stuffed street. However, in defense of neighbors asking him to move the tank, it toke up almost 2/3rd of the street and was tight squeeze even for my small Corolla.
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:sensors to detect IR are both incredibly common and trivially inexpensive Not in the infrared wavelengths used to heat things up. You need a cryo-cooled MWIR or exotic SWIR to see the spot. Both are very expensive to make. Also, if it’s a narrowband IR laser, there won’t be enough scattering in the atmosphere to show a line. There’s a hundred reasons why submarines won’t be using lasers to shoot down ICBMs, but making an easily visible line back to the sub ain’t one of them, chief.
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Holy loving  Crypto AG, a Swiss cryptographic communications gear company that got its big break building code-making gear for the US Army in World War II, has been a provider of encryption systems for more than 120 countries. And according to a report by The Washington Post and German broadcaster ZDF, the company was owned outright for decades by the Central Intelligence Agency and Germany's intelligence agency, the BND—allowing the CIA, the National Security Agency, and German intelligence to read the most sensitive communications of practically everyone but the Soviets and Chinese. Apparently 80-90% of Iran's communications during the Iran-Iraq war might as well have been in plain text as far as US intelligence was concerned.
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LibCrusher posted:but making an easily visible line back to the sub ain’t one of them, chief. I like how you condescendingly added the last bit. Crushed 'em Still though I wonder if you're right. IDK much about this subject but a little googling suggest that solid state 10kW welding lasers output around 1.03um. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1875389213000655 Makes sense that these would be pretty similar to the shipbourne systems, e.g. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AN/SEQ-3_Laser_Weapon_System Lastly, it seems that a cursory search of digikey will net IR sensors that DO detect in this spectrum, although not at peak performance. Heres a few datasheet snapshots of ~$3 sensors from digikey.   Got some info to back up your claims? EDIT: From Adafruit even https://learn.adafruit.com/ir-sensor CarForumPoster fucked around with this message at 18:47 on Feb 11, 2020 |
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priznat posted:Trebuchets hurling bags of cement or something This ...would actually work I think? Would take welders a few days to build a few upsized trebuchets, and then you can just launch bags 24/7 from ~300m away. Seems like a better idea than helicopters in hindsight.
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Cyrano4747 posted:Holy loving Is the soviet/chinese bit because they used their own gear?
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Saint Celestine posted:This ...would actually work I think? Hell yeah! Pretty lame how the soviets had a gazillion surface to surface missile flavours and couldn’t get it together on that. Sheesh.
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Stravag posted:Is the soviet/chinese bit because they used their own gear? News in 6 months: Soviet bug found in former Crypto AG offices
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I don’t understand why with cryptological functions you would ever rely on a foreign manufacturer that you can’t directly oversee, even if it’s your ally.
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CarForumPoster posted:I like how you condescendingly added the last bit. Crushed 'em That $3 sensor is not an imager. You’re not getting that thing to display anything other than a voltage output indicating the presence of SWIR radiation. You’d need something like this: https://www.oemcameras.com/tau-swir.htm?gclid=CjwKCAiAvonyBRB7EiwAadauqSrtUNMy_3BK2PsPdOXyf8wEuxAmHhNVA6SkU-k7Rzw_r8qtk4VC4BoC6-AQAvD_BwE But again, you’re not going to get enough atmospheric scatter to see the beam. I’ve worked with military laser designators in the 1-2 nanometer range for years and it is fairly easy for a special camera to see the spot, I have never once seen the beam itself.
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Stravag posted:Is the soviet/chinese bit because they used their own gear?
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LibCrusher posted:That $3 sensor is not an imager. You’re not getting that thing to display anything other than a voltage output indicating the presence of SWIR radiation. Fair point
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Top Hats Monthly posted:I don’t understand why with cryptological functions you would ever rely on a foreign manufacturer that you can’t directly oversee, even if it’s your ally. Mostly because once you get to a certain level of sophistication you need to have some heavy duty specialists working on it. Imagine you're Portugal or Jordan. If you try to home brew a cryptography solution using only domestic resources, is it really going to stand up to cracking by the US or USSR? Or do you find what you hope is a trusted outside source and have the best cryptography you can buy, even if you don't have the experts to make it yourself? It's the same basic problem that a lot of countries have with high tech products. Is a Portugese domestic air superiority fighter ever going to be able to go toe to toe with what the French or Brits are making, much less the US or Russia? Is it better to have an inferior domestic version or find a hopefully trustworthy major power to buy some last gen fighters from?
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The Navy wants to retire the first 4 LCS ships already. https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/32148/the-navy-now-wants-to-retire-the-first-four-of-its-troublesome-littoral-combat-ships
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Kaiser Schnitzel posted:The Navy wants to retire the first 4 LCS ships already. SINKEX! *drives a zodiac directly through one* *sells remaining hulls to RCN to be refitted at Irving yards for 2x their original cost*
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priznat posted:*sells remaining hulls to RCN to be refitted at Irving yards for 2x their original cost* 
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To be clear it is Irving making the additional $$ (CAD) not the US govt
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priznat posted:To be clear it is Irving making the additional $$ (CAD) not the US govt Never before has one of our allies so clearly embodied the American Way.
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priznat posted:SINKEX! Nah, we don't generally get hulls from the US because one of the conditions is typically that big work is done in US yards.
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This reminds me of this dude who put a T-34 on an empty plot of land in south London allegedly as a "gently caress you" to a local council. It's actually really cool to see in person. It just stands there, touchable and climbable.
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