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Great writeup. However I do think the other girl, not the one giving AJ a massage, is Rhiannon- I think they are the same actress as the one in the last couple of episodes?Jerusalem posted:This is an incredibly strong and heartbreaking scene, and it's not solely carried by Gandolfini. Robert Iler does an exceptional job here. "First of all, your mother does not find out about this"  Tony's face says it all. He's protecting AJ but he's also protecting himself from her reaction. When I think of her reaction to "poppers and weird sex" I don't even want to envision what the response would be to this, for both of them (AJ for being dumb enough to do that, and Tony for his life of crime peripheral to the family constantly tainting his family). I don't know if this next thing is "real" or not but: I watch the show with the contrast/black level adjusted so I can see every detail. The word PUMA on AJ's jacket fades into nothingness when he's brought through the first door. That door shuts behind him with some finality- this may be already where he has given up. He can probably guess that there's literally no running away if he commits to doing this. But PUMA disappearing may also symbolize the fight going out of him- he was going to strike like a predator on his defenseless great uncle, but failed to muster whatever it was he needed to carry it out. That might be reaching though. Jerusalem posted:At Satriale's the next day, Tony sits outside in unusual silence. This was great too. Totally exasperated and probably thinking about the AJ situation, having to bear it alone and unable to offload the emotional burden to Carmela (or Melfi as far as well know).
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Yeah the 15 year old blowing Hernan is definitely Rhiannon.
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I'll build a ramp up to your rear end...................drive a Lionel up in there
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Suxpool posted:Yeah the 15 year old blowing Hernan is definitely Rhiannon. until she caught him finger-banging her cousin on the ski lift!
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Suxpool posted:Yeah the 15 year old blowing Hernan is definitely Rhiannon. Fucccck  Thanks, I'll fix it. God I hate Hernan so much, the fact he finds out one girl is 15 and the other 18 and specifically and deliberately takes the 15-year-old with him.... ugh.
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Pope Corky the IX posted:The fact that it was smoked turkey is even more galling to Carmela because he's not supposed to be eating stuff like that which is why it's not in the fridge, and she was even proud of using low fat/low sodium salami in his sandwich earlier. Good catch.
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I think the actress who played Rhiannon has been on NCIS for years now.
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Jerusalem posted:Fucccck In another episode or two AJ is going to hang out with Hernan and Tony mentions that he flipped his car and one of the passengers ended up paralyzed, and AJ insists the girl’s parents are just looking for a payday.
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Guys, I don't think this Hernan guy is a good influence on AJ.
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“He has a reading disability” “gently caress that” 
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I knew a few Hernans at that age 
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Season 6, Episode 9 - The RideChristopher Moltisanti posted:I'm gonna start a tradition. A frustrated Christopher is waiting impatiently for his currently girlfriend, Kelli, to get out of the bathroom so they can to the movies. He's watching Saw II on television, perhaps for inspiration for his own terrible film, but the moment she steps out he's ready to move, not wanting to miss the previews. But even he can sense something is wrong as she stands hesitantly in place, though at first he assumes it is for some irrelevant distraction not worth making a fuss over. That all changes when timidly she lets him know why she took so long in the bathroom... she just found out she's pregnant. She starts talking a mile-a-minute, accepting the "blame" for letting him take his condom off during sex, declaring it is her own fault for thinking she knew her menstrual cycle well enough to take the risk. But he shuts her up, standing in silence which she can't bear, so she starts talking against about arranging for an abortion, but he cuts her off again. Instead of shouting or complaining, he quietly approaches and gently cups the side of her face and says the last thing she expected,"Let's get married." She's thrilled, of course, she expected rage or condemnation or accusation and instead he's gentle and caring and loving and offering to make a commitment to her she probably never expected. He suggests they make a day trip down to Atlantic City and make it official there, and places his hands against her belly to remark with wonder,"My baby." Who is Kelli? Where did she come from? We've never seen her before, but that I'd argue is kind of the point. She was the girl Christopher was dating, but the moment she tells him she is pregnant she automatically goes on a pedestal for him: not for any of her own intrinsic value, but because her womb carries his biological son. Was there a future for them before this revelation? Possibly, but more likely he would have dated her for a few months and then moved on without a second thought. Not now though, she has given him something he had stopped thinking he could have: fatherhood. He betrays himself as he chooses this special and touching moment between them to mention his ex couldn't have babies, and Kelli asks if that is the one who ran out on him. Lying as much for his own benefit as hers, he agrees and complains bitterly that she's probably having some other rear end in a top hat's kid now. They embrace, full of love for each other, but Christopher's thoughts are - subconsciously or not - clearly on Adriana. The woman he was going to marry, the woman he indirectly murdered. His first thoughts were of her and how her death negatively affected HIM, even his offer for them to go down to Atlantic City is taken directly from her own desperate plea when she was trying to figure out how to get out from under the FBI.   Paulie and Patsy visit a Church, where Patsy stops to genuflect while Paulie just blunders up to a statue of Saint Elzéar to crack wise at a loud volume, irritating an elderly woman trying to silently pray. They head into the back room to meet with the head of the Neighborhood Association, Mr. Russamano, as well as Father Felix. But the latter isn't there, he's having bypass surgery and has been temporarily replaced by the youthful Father Jose, a Uruguayan American, who initially mistakes Patsy for Paulie. They're here to discuss the upcoming street festival in honor of Elzéar, and Jose would like to hear their plans to celebrate the feast. It's simple enough, Paulie explaining they use a non-profit organization that closes down the streets for 5 days, hire in food vendors, set up amusement rides and stalls etc. Father Jose's part will be to come out and say a blessing on day two, and in return for that and the use of the statue of Elzéar (and the obvious endorsement of the Church this implies) they will pay the Church 10k as per usual. Here is where a smiling Jose reveals he has something different in mind: 50k. They're surprised, and Paulie quickly recognizes a shakedown when he sees one... after all, he's usually the one instigating them! Jose sells it on his end with a charming smile as he calls the kickback a "donation" and points out all the wonderful charitable works the Church is doing despite decreased funding from the Federal Government. Paulie and Patsy counter with reminders that they need to pay out of their end for fuel, sanitation, electricity, security etc. But Jose, despite claiming to be new to the environment, pours cold water all over that argument by noting that as far as he can tell they just pay $18 for a city permit to shut down the street, CHARGE the vendors thousands of dollars to lease out land they DON'T own, and keep the bulk of the money for themselves. Paulie attempts to just force his way past the priest's calm protest, insisting this is the way things have always been done and always will be. He declares somebody will be coming by in a few days to collect the statue and the gold hat, and that'll be an end to that. But Father Jose is not intimidated in the slightest, calmly noting the significance of the statue to the descendants who came here 100 years ago, something Patsy admits openly to when he talks with pride of his own grandfather. The golden hat held in a display case behind them was forged from the wedding rings of the working poor and Italian Immigrants and has been entrusted to the care of the Church for a century. He simply does not feel safe handing it over this year, because of a "possible criminal element" involved that could endanger a "precious piece of local history". In spite of his own irritation, Paulie can't help but smirk, game recognizes game after all and Father Jose has demonstrated remarkable backbone and played his hand expertly. He asks if Jose would feel less troubled if they paid the 50k and Jose nods that it would demonstrate Paulie's commitment and dedication to the festival. They shake hands and part as equals, but the moment they're out of the office Paulie snarls,"gently caress the hat!" and Patsy nods in agreement. Paulie objects on the grounds of not wanting to pay any more than he has to even in spite of naked profiteering that will come from it. Patsy, less volatile, probably just agrees in principle that you don't capitulate in a situation like this because it creates a power imbalance. In either case... Elzéar isn't getting his hat this year!   At the Bada Bing, Silvio is counting money at the bar as Tony complains to Paulie and Patsy about a business associate in Pennsylvania trying to raise the tipping fees for dumping off garbage from New Jersey. Christopher arrives and Tony tells him he'll be coming along as back up, which he smilingly agrees to when Paulie explains he's "needed" to run the festival. Finally it occurs to Tony he hasn't seen his nephew in awhile and asks where he's been, at which point a beaming Christopher shows off the ring on his finger. They're all shocked but pleased (well, Paulie is probably pitying him), moreso when he tells them Kelli is pregnant. For these men this isn't a "oh so you were trapped into marriage" situation but a,"Oh you're fertile!" one, and they congratulate him even as they break his balls a little. Tony gets a little uncomfortable when Christopher kisses his rear end to talk about what a great role model he has been for how Christopher will raise his own kids (AJ just tried and failed to murder his own Uncle!), but they all nod in agreement when Christopher says that kids and family are what are important. "Yeah, that's what it's all about, kid" Silvio nods sagely as his topless employees gyrate on the stage only a few feet away from him. Paulie gets a call as they pour Cristal for everybody and just water for Christopher, who claims his son (He's already decided on the gender) will be his strength. It's the doctor's office, Paulie forgot to attend an appointment, and he grunts that he doesn't pay for missed appointments and hangs up after telling THEM to sort it out with the doctor. He's got more important things on his mind, proving Father Jose's assessment correct when he notes to Patsy that a local business is gonna have to pay out the rear end if it wants to sponsor the Cannoli Eating Contest this year. Tony's trip to Pennsylvania goes fine on the trip up. Christopher is at his side at he meets with a fat man called Eddie Lind where they have thrashed out the deal to get out of having to pay the increased tipping fees, using Lind's man at the weigh station to presumably under-report their loads. Christopher assures Eddie he has directions printed out from MapBlast (oh the days before GPS), and he and Tony start heading back to New Jersey. But when they see a sign for Pittsburgh they realize they're going the wrong way, and an irritated Tony stops in a parking lot so he can get out to take a piss. As he urinates out onto the bank, he happens to turn and notes down an alleyway behind a row of businesses a couple of rough looking men loading up an unmarked van full of boxes of wine. Christopher has spotted it two, familiar enough with crime to know this isn't some ordinary collection, especially not this late at night. Quietly they back the car up to the wooden crates while the two biker-looking types are back inside, and barely stifling giggles they load up their own car full of boxes of the expensive looking wine. Suddenly the two bikers emerge from the broken into business, struggling to carry a small ATM, and Christopher pulls his gun on them, warning them not to move. On their knees, one of the bikers warns them they're loving with "The Vipers", causing Tony and Christopher to openly laugh at this being any kind of threat. Christopher shoots out one of their tires and he and Tony cheese it, Christopher shooting back at a pursuing biker and squealing with delight when he hits (and kills?) him. They drive on down the street, flush with exhilaration and adrenaline, howling with laughter. They pull up to a hotel/restaurant, exclaiming that opportunity knocked and they kicked the door in, Christopher declaring it was "Old School poo poo". Even Tony realizing belatedly he sprained his ankle doesn't dent his good humor, and the two are on exactly the same page as they breath in the autumn air and talk happily about the memories of perfect childhood it generates. Tony opens one of the crates and reviews the wine with pleasure, they're bottles of Chateau Pichon-Longueville from 1986, and decides to take two inside with him to the restaurant. They settle in at the table and to begin with all remains good, as they laugh happily, enjoy their meal and relentlessly mock the big fish in a small pond criminals they clowned on... never once making the leap that this is how much of the world would view them, too.   But as Tony drinks his wine with clear pleasure, Christopher's longing becomes apparent and Tony proves to be anything but a role model. When Christopher admits he misses wine, instead of supporting him and helping him stay strong, Tony outright tells him he should at least have a toast to his wedding and kid. Christopher resists at first, shrugging and saying that he has to maintain his discipline and set limits for himself. So how does Tony, who almost never disciplines himself and reacts like a petulant child when he does, react to this? He just loving ignores it, pours Christopher a glass and instructs him that on "the other side" (Italy) they consider wine food. Christopher's already paper-thin self-control dissolves and he knocks back a swig of the wine. But even now he's at least not gone hog-wild. When dinner ends, Christopher is still in control of his faculties as he and Tony leave the restaurant. But Tony isn't done, he wants a "nightcap" and an unsettled Christopher realizes he has no choice in the matter, and they go and settle down on the brick wall alongside the parking lot with another bottle of wine. Christopher tries to reminisce but Tony just knocks back wine from the bottle and passes it to him to do the same. It isn't till Christopher - without prompting - drinks from it too that Tony opens up as well. They admit they've been through tough times, that they didn't always see eye-to-eye, and both offer assurances to the other that they understand/forgive them for any time they crossed the other. After all, Christopher notes, through it all Tony always had his back, even on THAT day. What follows is a flashback to a never-before-seen scene. Originally shot in Long Term Parking but wisely left out of the final edit, we see the moment that Christopher first admitting to Tony that Adriana had been working for the FBI. It's raw and emotional: the burned out Christopher retreating to his Uncle a broken man to tell him the truth; Tony's initial disbelief turning to rage and suspicion before becoming coldly focused on "solving" the problem; and Christopher's breakdown at the thought that he might be the one asked to murder Adriana. He'd already betrayed her to certain death by coming to Tony, but he doesn't want to be asked to actually do the deed himself... though there's a better than even chance he would have had it come down to it. As already shown in that episode when he saw the white trash couple and realized that was probably his fate, his self-interest comes long before his love for Adriana. But Tony sees just coming here has taken everything out of his nephew, so he hugs him, promises him it will be taken care of, then orders him to make sure he leaves without being seen, especially by Carmela. Back in the present, the two monstrous men declare their love for each other and hug. They share the bottle of stolen wine, looking forward to a happy future of domestic bliss for the young addict who left the great love of his life rotting in the undergrowth for the unforgivable crime of trusting him.  A hungover Tony stands in his kitchen the next morning waiting in a daze for his cappuccino maker to finish, while a more energized Christopher takes Kelli house-hunting. He's enthusiastic and excited, overly so, declaring to the pleased realtor that they'll take the enormous four-bedroom house without even seeing the interior. Kelli laughs that they need to see inside first, but Christopher is determined, he's going in whole hog on this whole marriage thing in a way he dragged his feet on for far too long with Adriana. Kelli of course is in 7th Heaven, she's married AND she's pregnant and her husband's got plenty of money and is just as eager and excited about the domestic side of things as she is. As far as she's concerned life can't possibly get any better than this, which of course neglects to consider the fact that this means things can only get worse. The Festival begins and Father Jose was right, vendors have lined the closed-down street for a large, enthusiastic crowd happy to spend more as they enjoy the festivities, and Paulie is making bank from it. One vendor selling CDs however has made the mistake of thinking of this as a legitimate operation and has only paid out Paulie for the first couple of days, pointing out that if it rains he could miss out on three days of sales: the Ohio State Fair offer rebates for bad weather! Paulie points out they don't live in Ohio and demands the full five days paid in advance. Phil Leotardo is present as well, happily buying a bag of Zeppoles before rejoining Albie Cianflone and Gerry Torciano who have also come along to enjoy the Festival. They greet Tony, Silvio and Perry Annunziata when they approach, Phil noting Tony's limp and cracking a joke... but all in good nature, for once Phil isn't seething over something or trying to make demands, and Tony is actually happy to see him. He asks to speak with him alone for a moment, and reveals that he knows a couple of Lebanese associations who have hijacked a truck full of Centrum multi-vitamins. Phil is impressed, there is good money to be made from those, and that is why Tony wanted to talk to him: he wants to know if Phil wants in on the deal. It's not out of the kindness of his heart, state troopers are on the lookout so the vitamins need to be offloaded tonight, and Tony was thinking Long Island would be a good place to do it, but that's outside of his immediate influence. Phil considers and asks what his cut will be, and Tony doesn't mince words negotiating, offering a straight 50-50 split. That suits Phil just fine, though he can't help but push just a little bit by noting "casually" that given the time constraints it would be best not to bother Johnny Sack with the details. Tony hesitates only a moment before he lets his own greed get the better of him, and in spite of decades of friendship with Johnny AND a healthy concern over Phil's ambition, he agrees it would be for the best to not add on to Johnny's stress levels. With a smile the two shake their hands and Albie makes the call for Phil, who is clearly not the only person getting comfortable with the idea of himself being in charge of the Lupertazzi Family. As the call is being made, Tony looks over at one of the rides and is delighted to see Julianna Skiff riding one with a friend, having a great time. He starts to wave hello but thinks better of it before he can get her attention, belatedly remembering his hurried leaving without explanation as they were about to have sex when his guilt over betraying Carmela proved too much for him for once in his life. Carmela, unaware of all this, leaves the Church after praying and joins Meadow and Finn at another food stand, where she gently chides Meadow for not joining her to say a prayer thanking God for Tony's recovery. But they're soon distracted when they spot somebody else, Adriana's mother is just across the street at another stall and she spots them looking. Morbidly fascinated by how awful Liz La Cerva (who always dressed 20 years younger than she was) looks, Carmela states that she is obligated to go and say hello since Liz saw her, though it is clearly a conversation she is dreading. She has no idea just how much she should be though, as she approaches Liz with a forced smile to say hello that becomes more natural when Liz asks after Meadow... only for it to drop in shock when Liz declares flatly,"Well mine is dead." Carmela is horrified, asking in shock when it happened, and an incredulous Liz grows that her piece of poo poo nephew Christopher murdered her. Carmela feels on safer ground now, almost rolling her eyes as she reminds Liz that Christopher and Adriana broke up and that was that. But Liz insists, her daughter hasn't called her in over two years, hasn't sent a letter or a card even on birthdays or at Christmas. Carmela again tries to remind her that they had a long history of arguments and blow-ups, but Liz is having none of it, revealing that the FBI came to see her and told her they suspected Christopher of killing Adriana. Carmela finds the whole thing ludicrous, and rather condescendingly tells Liz she's talking crazy because she's drunk. Liz offers back a look of pure contempt: drunk? It's called depression, she hasn't touched alcohol in years. She leaves affronted but with a measure of her dignity in place, leaving behind a bewildered and disbelieving Carmela who for the first time consciously is pondering just how strange it is that Adriana COMPLETELY disappeared from their lives one day.   Christopher meets with Corky Caporale to pay him the last of his money for his part in organizing the hit on Rusty Millio. Christopher is in a talkative mood, still on a different kind of high from his house-shopping and the immediate thrill of being a newlywed and soon-to-be father. Corky, clearly desperate to get high and trying to keep it together long enough to get his money so he can take off and score, listens nervously as Christopher uses this meeting as an impromptu therapy session. He complains about how his mother never cleaned up the house, that his friend Ronnie would come over to play and go home with filthy hands and knees from the unwashed linoleum floor, to the point that Ronnie's mother stopped him from going over. Christopher is determined things will be different, unlike his own single-parent upbringing he and Kelli are going to be a dedicated family unit living in a spotless house his son (he's still adamant on the gender) will be proud of. Corky can't bear it much longer and "casually" brings up that he heard the Rusty Millio "thing" happened, and Christopher gives him a minor attaboy by noting it was a "good job" and hands over an envelope of cash. Except it's not ALL there, he admits there is less cash than promised... but there is also a bonus for Corky. Barely believing his luck, Corky removes a baggy of heroin, which is exactly what the money was going to go on in any case. It's raining outside and he asks carefully if Christopher minds him fixing inside the car, and Christopher's nonchalant affirmative is a clear indication that he's anything but nonchalant. His eyes are fixed on the heroin as Corky starts prepping to shoot up, and he pulls his gaze away and starts talking more about his new place, how beautiful it's going to be. Corky is distracted and barely listening, and Christopher's constant looks over in his direction means he is distracted as well. Laughably, he notes that Corky will probably come over to visit at some point, maybe on Christmas or Christmas Eve!?! Finally he offers Corky words the junkie has probably heard a million times, that he needs to get help getting off of H. Corky is quick to agree but doesn't even pause momentarily as he prepares to heat up the heroin so he can get it in the needle. Christopher is fixated on the needle itself, more talking to himself as he ponders why that spike "whets my whistle". Corky doesn't know, but he does know somebody jonesing when he sees it, and asks Christopher if he wants to shoot up too? Of course not, Christopher insists.... but maybe he could snort some? That'd be okay, right? What could possibly go wrong!?! So Christopher, who has fallen off the wagon plenty of times but has largely managed to avoid heroin, snorts some H while continuing to insist to a long-past listening Corky that he really needs to go get some help for his addiction. Corky shoots up, Christopher watching with clear desire, particular as he sees the sheer relief on Corky's face as his addiction is finally fed what it has been looking for. A striking song begins to play as Christopher, of course, shoots up with a needle as he was always inevitably going to do the moment he allowed himself "only" a "toot" of the stuff. He vomits out the side of the car, then travels to the festival, laying down on a park bench to smoke and contemplate nothing in a heroin-daze, staring up at the lights festooning the street and the moon far above. A stray dog appears in the background looking through the garbage, and soon Christopher has befriended it, the confused dog expecting hopefully food as Christopher sits against an iron fence in such a stupor that he's not even making contact with the dog's head as he pats the air an inch or so above it. He's fascinated by the ferris wheel and other amusement rides, actually managing to make his way inside the event and buying some food that he fails to eat, dozing off while patting the dog in a side alley as it chows down on the meal he can barely hold in his hand. Finally the festival finishes up for the night and the crowds depart, the maintenance men sweep up, and Christopher remains completely out of it, sleeping sitting up on a crate, a junkie back on his "fix". That he fell so far so fast after what should have been a moment where he turned his life around via marriage and a child is depressing. But it also was seemingly inevitable considering both the company he keeps and his own utter guilt and self-loathing. The marriage to Kelli, the impending birth of a child, all they are doing are reminding him of what he gave up. As unfair as that may be to Kelly and the unborn child, it's clear to me at least that he has never truly gotten over Adriana, and that on some level in spite of every justification he makes he knows that he and only he is to blame for her death. As an example of how a heroin addict can fool themselves into thinking everything is going oh so right and perfect with this one perfect high in spite of their lives falling apart, this segment really is something quite spectacular, both visually and via the pitch perfect music: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7A7ew3_V_E
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The next day, the statue of Saint Elzéar is carried out and paraded down the street, parishioners eagerly calling out their love and requests for the Saint to help sick mothers or other woes... before noticing and commenting on the fact that his gold hat is nowhere to be seen. Paulie observes from a car as money is pinned to the statue's cloak under Father Jose's beaming but watchful eye. A member of the neighborhood approaches to greet Paulie and introduce him to his nephew, wearing an army uniform, who has just returned from his second tour of Iraq. Beaming with patriotic pride even as he takes advantage of a religious festival to make huge amounts of money, Paulie declares how proud he is of the young man and shakes his hand. At home, a bored Tony admits to Carmela he's just looking in the fridge for anything to eat without actually knowing what he wants. She suggests things he could eat but reminds him tofu would please his doctor. Tony gives up and joins Carmela at the table, where he notices that though she is asking all the right questions and making small talk/reminding him of little jobs that needed doing (that he's actually done for once) she is distracted. He asks her about it and after a brief hesitation she decides to just get it all out, and tells him about her encounter with Liz La Cerva. Tony's guard was immediately up when Carmela said she's been debating whether to bring this up, but he laughs when she explains Liz's accusation, saying its ludicrous. She agrees... but then reminds him that Christopher does have a history of being "free with his hands" (a very polite way of saying he beat Adriana up), indicating that she's at least willing to consider the concept. This alarms Tony, because the last thing he wants is Carmela starting to poke or prod at the story about Adriana just up and leaving one day. So he gets up, pours himself a glass of the wine he stole along with Christopher who possibly killed a man in the process, before explaining why Christopher couldn't be a killer. He insists that he is going to "school" Carmela on domestic violence (never say that to a woman, fellas, I beg you) and explains that according to his cop buddies 99 out of 100 cases happen in the kitchen or bedroom. There would be "fibers" everywhere that the forensic people would find etc, if Christopher killed Adriana in some spur of the moment argument there would be no way he'd be able to successfully hide it. You know, unless she got tricked into getting into a car with somebody she trusted to go see a fiance she thought had attempted suicide. Despite themselves, Carmela and Tony are arguing about this despite both being on the same side. Tony doesn't want her to believe it, SHE doesn't want to believe it herself, but she's found herself arguing for Liz by proxy somehow. She brings up the FBI coming to visit Liz, Tony brings up that the FBI would have immediately arrested him if they actually had anything. He claims Liz has sour grapes because he dumped Adriana and is now married with a kid on the way, and she reminds him that he told her Adriana dumped Christopher. He agrees, saying it's the same point regardless, and finally hits her with something that she can grasp onto: they were toxic together. Unlike the few times he has discussed Adriana with Christopher, Tony doesn't speak with malice and contempt for the "oval office". Instead he notes that Adriana was a sweet girl but her and Christopher brought out the worst in each other. Carmela can accept that, as well as accepting that Christopher appears (they didn't see him last night) to have his poo poo together at last and making real progress they don't want to sabotage because Liz La Cerva is upset. Carmela nods and leaves, neither one of them entirely satisfied with the conversation but at least feeling the issue has been settled... for now. Because even if Carmela no longer suspects Christopher might have done it, she's still left with the niggling question: why hasn't Adriana been in contact since she disappeared? Tony meanwhile is left concerned, because he knows his wife well enough to know she not entirely mollified by an explanation he wasn't expecting to have to give. At the festival, Paulie gets a phone-call from his doctor who informs him he has the results of his bloodwork. He doesn't think there is anything to worry about, but the numbers are a "little" higher than he'd like. He thinks it is likely like just a simple inflammation like prostatitis but he'd like to schedule a biopsy just to be sure. "Biopsy" gets Paulie's alarm bells ringing, especially after the doctor asks if he has a history of prostate cancer in his family, particularly on his father's side. Now knowing who his father is, a horrified Paulie is thinking the worst.   Janice is forcing Bobby Jr to get onto the teacup rides with her, claiming that barely toddler Domenica wants to go on a ride with her big brother. Bobby Jr is at the age where anything clearly aimed at kids is mortifyingly embarrassing to him and sulks and moans, but while Janice agrees he can do whatever he wants once Bobby and Sophia get back from the bathroom she is adamant that he's going on this ride. The teacups circle, Bobby Jr pouting in his own cup while Janice giggles and coos to a howling, weeping Domenica. But the ride gets a lot more exciting when a bolt slips and the whole thing jams up, tilting on its side so that sparks begin to fly before it slams to a halt. One child's face is slammed against the edge of his teacup and he loses some teeth. His mother races to his side in a panic as the operator quickly shuts the whole thing down, as Bobby and Sophia arrive, the latter frantic to make sure Janice, Domenica and Bobby Jr are okay. At home that evening, Paulie is watching TV when he gets a call from Little Paulie to let him know about the accident. The ride was shut down, people were hurt and the owner is currently talking to the cops. Paulie is confused, what the hell can he do about any of this? He complains he has his biopsy in the morning so Little Paulie says he'll take care of things. Paulie hangs up and goes back to what he was doing that was more important than dealing with this: watching the Home Shopping Network. At Sunday dinner at the Soprano home, the failed ride is the subject of conversation, Janice reveling in the attention as she talks about how terrifying it all was. Tony, really not wanting to encourage her, grunts that they should all be thankful they're okay, and she snaps back that her baby could have been killed. "God forbid" mumbles Bobby without taking his eyes off his plate, and thankfully that seems to be an end to that as they all go back to quietly eating. Which is when Kelli speaks. We know NOTHING about her, but we get a sense now as she smirks and notes sarcastically that all the "locals" will be parading in with their lawsuits. "El mucho pesos!" laughs Christopher, and Carmela eyes him and Kelli up critically, probably torn between wanting to think the worst of her cousin but also noting how well he and his new wife get on in opposition to the often "rough ride" he and Adriana went through. Bobby laughs openly over the racist joke as well, while Janice - having heard the word lawsuit - is suddenly noticing that she's got a pain in her neck she never noticed before the word lawsuit was spoken. Tony sees this and quietly, grumpily insists "Just leave it alone, Janice", seeing a nightmare ready to explode if he doesn't nip this in the bud. Meadow doesn't help though as she, perhaps in defense of the minorities Kelli just so happily mocked that Meadow sees firsthand at the Law Center, points out that people do have a right to compensation if they're hurt due to negligence. Tony tries to divert things with some casual racism of his own, complaining that then "they" will have another excuse not to have to work. Tony, I remind you, spends most of his days hanging out at a pork store or a strip club drinking, eating and doing nothing. Janice retreads an old favorite as she reminds everybody again about how much she loves her baby and how much it would have devastated her if she'd lost her. She coos over Domenica, while Bobby adds in he really should have kicked the rear end of the scumbag hillbilly who owns the ride. That immediately shifts Janice from loving mother to hardfaced wife, as she glares at him and agrees that he should have... but he did nothing. He complains back that he was taking Sophia to the bathroom, and the room falls into another uncomfortable silence. Kelli breaks it with a non-racist comment this time, complimenting Tony on the wine. But he admits that for some reason (the lack of adrenaline that accompanied the initial theft) he feels like it has lost something. The next day Bobby speeds his car into the lot of a motel in a rage. Janice sits in the back seat next to Domenica, wearing a neckbrace now (of course she is!) and he storms out and up to the door of the room used by the owner of the teacups ride. Containing himself momentarily, he knocks and calls out that he's the manager and the man needs to move his car. Irritated, the man opens the door and immediately Bobby is through and looming over him, and the guy is carnie enough to know what this is leading to. He grabs at a lamp to try and defend himself but Bobby whacks him with a blackjack with all his power behind it, sending him crashing to the ground. Bobby, so often mocked for being fat or soft, towers over the fallen man and calls him a redneck gently caress, furious because Janice woke up this morning unable to move her neck (oh Janice), so Bobby wants 25k from him in compensation. The carnie explains frantically that he told the man who hired him that his ride needed a whole repair crew working all night to make sure the ride was up to scratch, but he refused to pay for any of it. Bobby's rage increases with his confusion... Paulie wouldn't cover the cost? Not only that, the carnie insists, but Paulie wouldn't pay the higher fee to get the A crew to run the place, so he leased that down to the Sorghum Festival in Atlanta and brought up a less experienced B crew to do it instead. DiSorbo's apparently got their envelope to Paulie on time, because they've been given naming rights to judge the Cannoli Eating Contest as they desired. As they get everything up and running for the appreciative crowd, however, a cry of,"COCKSUCKER!" gets everybody's attention. Bobby, giant and in a rage, rushes at Paulie accusing him of being a cheap gently caress who scrimped on safety and put HIS baby daughter at risk. Paulie is astonished at the lack of respect and loud, public accusations being made at him, but quickly grows angry himself as various people hold the two mobsters apart and a shocked crowd of onlookers watch on. He warns Bobby to mind his own business and talking poo poo about Janice and Domenica, while Bobby hurls insults and insists that Paulie has to pay for his negligence. It's an awful public display that is exactly the wrong look for what the Mob are trying to accomplish, and after Bobby is finally convinced to leave, an unsettled Paulie yells at the DiSorbo's judge to get the Cannoli Eating Contest up and running again, trying desperately to keep everything on track.   Tony attends therapy and tells Melfi about being at the Feast of Elzéar, and she happily recounts her childhood memories of attending the same event. He tells her about the teacup ride accident and she's immediately worried about the people who were on it, while Tony just cracks jokes about Elzéar being too busy getting money pinned to his rear end to fill in for an absent God. Getting at last that he's not just passing the time with chat about the festival and is trying to make a point, she lets him talk and he goes on about all the people lined up to eat and take rides and almost puke. He thinks they do it because they're bored, and she hits the nail on the head when she asks if he isn't just projecting: is HE bored? Tony answers by not answering, noting about how he survived a life-threatening situation and came out both physically AND mentally fine, without any of the expected brain damage. The implication is how could he be so ungrateful as to be bored, but he still doesn't say he ISN'T bored. Instead he notes once again that every day is a gift, but only a few episodes after he expressed the same thought to Janice with such conviction and wonder, the words are already hollow to him. "Do they have to be socks?" he jokes about these "gifts", but Melfi doesn't laugh, refusing to let him duck out of actually addressing his feelings. She simply sits in silence and lets him break it by talking, and while he still doesn't explicitly admit he is bored (which in his hosed up way of thinking would be a sin in a way his exhilerating theft of the wine was not) he circles around it by shrugging that this is the human condition. "What is?" she challenged him, and he admits he doesn't actually know. Paulie calls the doctor's office wanting the result of his biopsy, but the results aren't in and the woman he is speaking with can't change that no matter how much he demands to know if he has cancer or not. Hanging up, he grumpily orders an espresso from a vendor. Turning away, he is shocked to see Nucci Gaultieri standing there with a smile, and he asks what she's doing here. It's a Green Grove outing, and he expresses surprise she is still there (so either Jason Barone couldn't put together the cash or Paulie just kept it for himself?). She claims that Green Grove are being "very nice" while Paulie's brother (he doesn't correct her despite insisting she isn't his mother) is trying to sort out some way to keep paying her bills. For once not making matters worse by talking, Paulie starts to leave, but Nucci snaps him back to attention when she asks if what all the people are saying is true. Apparently word has been spreading about Paulie's failure to adequately run the event, his tightfistedness not only indirectly causing the accident but extending so far as to let Saint Elzéar go without his hat, and all that has gone wrong since is probably God's punishment. "gently caress that voodoo!" sneers Paulie, refusing to let himself be guilted by what he has determined is a scam operation: the Church. He declares that both his biological mother and Nucci herself deserve what they get for abandoning/lying to him respectively, blaming them bringing him up as a fake for all his issues. He strides away without a backwards look, leaving behind a weeping Nucci and a confused teenaged attendant wandering why the man didn't take his espresso. Larry Boy Barese has once again violated his house arrest to attend a bachelor party for Christopher Moltisanti, where he leads a toast making fun of the fact Christopher is doing his entire marriage backwards. Everybody laughs and joins in a toast to Christopher who is once again drinking water and being the sober, disciplined and responsible new husband and father-to-be. They're eating at Vesuvio's, Benny in attendance but any lingering bad blood between him and Artie apparently finally exorcised. Benny is the one who actually calls Artie in, and Artie is his usual garrulous self and good host as he lists the specials and laughs at a bad joke by Paulie. The only actual tension in the room doesn't come from Benny/Artie, but Paulie/Bobby. Paulie is a late arrival and soon after he takes a seat, a fed-up Bobby stands and declares he has to go because of the kids, and wishes Christopher well before going. All of this, of course, does not go unnoticed by Tony. In the bathroom, Paulie is washing up when Tony enters and declares to him in no uncertain terms that the beef with Bobby has to be squashed IMMEDIATELY and he will brook no disagreement. Paulie, his own cash threatened, of course tries to disagree anyway, and a furious and controlled Tony cuts him off to point out that he endangered the lives of kids. That matters to Tony of course, but he couches it also in terms Paulie can understand: they don't need negative press with all the competition they face for the entertainment dollar, the feast needs to be a safe place for people to come so they can make money off of them. Paulie complains here too, making the same bullshit argument that the Church and the vendors are the ones ripping HIM off, that in Johnny Boy's day it was a cash cow but now Paulie is making almost zero profit (he's making gigantic profit) and it would have been worse if he'd paid for the A Crew for the ride. But what he isn't expecting is Tony, cleaning his tie in the mirror, to nonchalantly reply that if the Feast isn't making them any money then they might as well just dump it. Paulie, who of course is raking in the cash, jumps to complain that a lot of the money is going into Tony's pocket which is why Paulie's own is empty, and immediately regrets saying it. Tony, the Boss of the Family to whom payments are supposed to be given with love and respect, turns to glare at Paulie who apologizes unreservedly, explaining he has a lot on his mind. He doesn't have the worst excuse to throw out when Tony asks exactly what, either, as he admits he had a biopsy and is scared he might have prostate cancer. That gets Tony's attention immediately. Now he's gone from mad at Paulie to concerned for him. Having had this experience himself, he reassures him that usually they come back clean. Paulie is worried though, admitting he's had headaches recently and fears his cancer has already metastasized. Tony warns him off working himself up for no reason, reminding him he's a germophobe and prone to making things out to be worse than they turn out to be. Paulie admits that he would rather face 10 guys with shivs than anything (like germs) he can't see, and Tony recalls how he let himself get so agitated by Christopher's vision of hell and his memorable encounter with the psychic. It's just a biopsy, he needs to get himself under control. Softer now, Tony repeats his earlier demand that Paulie sort something out with Bobby, not making it an ultimatum now, just something he needs to get done. He adds on that Eddie Lind is coming down from Pennsylvania with an envelope, he wants Paulie to call him and set up a time to meet him at the Bada Bing to collect it. With that he's gone, leaving a slightly shaken Paulie behind, having just gotten clear in spite of endangering his Boss' sister and niece and getting into it with his brother-in-law, AND accusing the Boss himself of loving over his profit margin.   The next day, Christopher comes to meet Tony in the basement of his home. Tony is stacking up the stolen wine on his racks, and Christopher happily reports he sold his five cases for $300 which seems... low? Tony nods and goes back to stacking, and there's an awkward moment before Christopher remembers something to talk about and lets him know he put in a heater in the Bloomfield Wire Room because guys were complaining. Tony compliments the decision, but the uncomfortable silence continues as Tony goes back to stacking and Christopher simply stands, watching. He asks Tony what is new and Tony just shrugs and keeps stacking, and the silence grows and grows... until Tony suddenly reenacts his,"WE'RE WITH THE VIPERS!" mockery. The two roar with laughter and for a few moments everything is fine as they recapture the happy moment, but they're simply going back through the same moments again. The moment their re-enactment ends the uncomfortable silence falls again. There's not much for the two men to discuss, closer now alike than ever before - both married, both fathers (or soon-to-be) - but somehow further apart. Mostly because, hanging over them like a cloud is the unspoken, unspeakable fact neither can allow themselves to face up to: this room, this space, this is where Tony and Christopher made the decision to murder Adriana La Cerva. This act did not bring the two closer together, no matter what Christopher might protest. The opposite, in fact, even if only subconsciously the two resent each other for their respective parts in the tragedy of her death. Paulie wakes at 3am, the time Christopher warned him off in his vision of hell. He can't sleep, fear of his biopsy results won't let him. He calls his Doctor's service and insists it is an emergency, but when the operator informs him his usual doctor is out of town but they can get him a different one, he grunts it isn't an emergency after all and hangs up. Instead he heads to the Bing, his meeting with Eddie Lind coming up. As he walks, an odd reflection in the wall mirror catches out eye while the thing reflecting it catches Paulie's. Confused, he turns and looks up on the stage where women dance and gyrate topless for the pleasure of men, and there on stage: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWsCK7RE0Xg&t=9s It's a shocking moment, one that should be funny but is somehow utterly terrifying (to me at least). The Virgin Mary floats above the stage, rock music blasting, and then she's just... gone. She was never there. Paulie, sleep deprived, guilt-ridden, subconscious battling a lifetime of Catholic guilt mixed with his criminal life and his sense of betrayal by his mother, sees the Blessed Mother of Jesus Christ in the same place where women dance naked for the pleasure of men. An almost literal Madonna/Whore complex. He sits in the back room, morose, until Eddie Lind comes knocking. He lets him in, the overweight man hobbling in and asking eagerly if any of the girls are working yet. Paulie doesn't answer, he sure as hell doesn't want to tell him about the one woman he saw on the stage earlier. Tony and Carmela have joined Bobby, Janice and the kids for the last day of the Feast of Elzéar, though Bobby reminds Carmela that the Feast of Saint Anthony is only a couple weeks away. Tony grin and nods, though it probably fits in with his earlier statement to Melfi that people are constantly looking for a way to alleviate the boredom. Domenica is crying and Janice is trying to calm her, realizing from the way she looks and reacts that she wants to go on the teacup ride again. They explain to the far-too-young to understand child that the ride is closed, and Janice asks her to show off her ability to walk. Domenica does, toddling along immediately... straight to the fence closing off the teacup ride. Bobby walks over to offer her candy while a clearly frustrated Janice just gives up with a sigh. But Tony comes to the rescue, approaching his niece with outstretched arms and scooping her up. He spins in a circle, throwing her up and making whooping noises as she giggles and laughs. Carmela beams happily at her husband and their baby niece, while Tony feels a momentary joy to replace the restless boredom he's suffered since the high of the wine robbery wore off. Because children are easy, children are something that Tony can understand and work with, and who won't judge or second-guess him or see anything past the surface level love and happiness he brings. Small children won't show up in your basement an emotional wreck to tell you their fiance is working with the FBI. Small children won't undermine you or disappoint you or fail to live up to your expectations. They're simple, they take you at face value, and they love you unconditionally. And of course, speaking of unconditional love.... a mother's. That night Nucci sits up watching old episodes of The Lawrence Welk Show when there is a knock at the door. She answers it and of course it's Paulie. She warns him she doesn't want to argue, but without a word he just slowly enters the room and stands staring at the television. He sits on the couch and just stares after she tells him what she was watching, and quietly shakes his head when she asks if he wants some cookies. She settles on the couch beside him and they sit in silence watching the television. Mother and son, reunited without a word, no apologies or explanations. An upset and lonely man, he needed his mother and whatever his protests about biology, Nucci IS his mother. The fact that she just sits and watches with him is all the proof of that you need. Home after all, is where, when you get there, they have to take you in.  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I always liked how sad it was that the only thing Tony and Chrissy had to fall back on was the 'We're with the Vipers!' bit when other people might have expanded on the fact they were having a Moment.
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Feb 11, 2020 15:20
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Excellent recap as always. The strong undertone of Catholicism is always pretent in the show but this episode focuses on that and really contrasts with the criminal lifestyle the characters lead. Ultimately though there are lot of parallels too, like with the Priest shaking down Paulie (and getting one over him!), their "Boss" is just God, an authority even over anything Paulie can call on.
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Feb 11, 2020 17:46
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Thank you for referring to them as their proper name of "zeppole" and not the incorrect "fried dough"
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Feb 11, 2020 19:05
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It's the lovely little replacement TV, yeah?
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Feb 11, 2020 22:15
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Matt Zerella posted:Thank you for referring to them as their proper name of "zeppole" and not the incorrect "fried dough" It could have been worse. He could have called them funnel cakes.
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Feb 12, 2020 00:34
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BrotherJayne posted:It's the lovely little replacement TV, yeah? Yeah, I actually wondered if initially the reason Paulie looks out the window is because he remembers and feels guilty for throwing the other television out. But then I thought that writing about that would be a distraction from the more important reunion of mother and son. I think if anything the episode has demonstrated that Paulie doesn't accept responsibility or guilt for the the bad things he has done but does fully believe that he is being punished for them in any case. His Catholic upbringing has really done a number on him, he's a hardened criminal and has come to the angry conclusion that the Church is just another scam, but he can't escape decades of conditioning that makes him manifest his upset over his personal situation in terms of being persecuted/judged. He doesn't apologize to his mother, he only makes things right with Bobby (off-screen, I assume) because he was told to, he blames the Church and the vendors and Tony for being a cheap-rear end etc but he also clearly wants somebody to be there for him, and allows his mother to be his mother again because he needs her to be. I'm really fascinated by Paulie and Tony's dealings with the Church. Paulie wants to be aware and inside and acknowledged as not just another rube, but he's on some deeper level still a believer. Tony meanwhile clearly (to me) doesn't truly believe in God despite paying lip service to it (usually when it benefits him) and really, really wants somebody else to agree with him that it's all nothing but make-believe. But nobody in his circle either family, criminal or professional wise are going to do that and he is upset that he has to keep up the pretence.
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Feb 12, 2020 01:18
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Paulie looking out the window as the wind is blowing through the trees is a reference to the Ojibwe saying "Sometimes I go about in pity for myself, and all the while, a great wind carries me across the sky" that keeps coming up.
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Feb 12, 2020 01:56
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 I should have seen that, I'd been so focused on Tony butchering it (and his dull, empty recital of "every day's a gift" in therapy) in recent episodes but the wind absolutely matches up with those shots of Tony sitting outside enjoying the wind too.
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Feb 12, 2020 02:05
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There are actually a lot of scenes where the wind is at least on the soundtrack if not visually obvious for the rest of the series. And no need to get upset you beautiful bastard. EDIT: It's such a wonderful little scene. You immediately understand that this is the way he'd spend at least one night a week with Nucci when he was younger, regardless of what other poo poo he was up to. Just sitting on the couch watching the Lawrence Welk program, having cookies with evening tea. Tony Sirico does some of the best acting in his entire time on the show in that scene without saying a word. Pope Corky the IX fucked around with this message at 02:14 on Feb 12, 2020 |
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Feb 12, 2020 02:07
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I work in a retirement community, and there is a little old lady who 100% does the "Livia Soprano dismissive hand wave" thing all the time She is nothing like Livia Soprano in any other way, but she definitely does it.
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Feb 12, 2020 02:56
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I don't know why but, as an addict, something about that conversation with Corky just rings true as Chris looks for any reason to use and pretend that he and that junkie have some sort of domestic future together. To be clear, I've never used heroin but... "You'll come ovah..." "He's gonna be proud of his house" It just rings true. The kinda poo poo someone talks when they're attempting to rationalize. I dunno. Makes me think of Hank Hill and "Christmas with the NEIFCOS"
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Feb 12, 2020 03:16
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The Vosgian Beast posted:I work in a retirement community, and there is a little old lady who 100% does the "Livia Soprano dismissive hand wave" thing all the time That entered our... lexicon is the wrong word, but certainly it became a popular move amongst my friends who have seen the show.
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Feb 12, 2020 04:34
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The Virgin Mary just floating there for half a second, barely but perceptibly moving, really hit me hard when I first saw the episode. Especially since Paulie didn't even have the courage to throw a chair or otherwise relieve the tension.
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Feb 12, 2020 07:22
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I like how you see the reflection of the Virgin Mary first which is almost impossible to register on a first watch. Also it's showing her outside Paulie's first person perspective which makes it way creepier.
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Feb 12, 2020 07:44
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The blast of music that coincides with us seeing her for the first time is incredibly effective as well, visually and audibly it's like getting slapped in the face.
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Feb 12, 2020 10:32
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Someone create some kind of edit right now of Paulie doing the "loving QUEERS!" but throwing the chair at the virgin mary
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Feb 12, 2020 13:58
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Just crossposting from the Star Trek thread in the Star Wars RSF to point out that Father Jose is Hugh.
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Feb 13, 2020 00:13
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The music that Paulie hears when he sees the Virgin Mary is the same song that's playing in the Bing when Chris charges in with an empty gun in Irregular Around The Margins
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Feb 13, 2020 02:54
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codo27 posted:Someone create some kind of edit right now of Paulie doing the "loving QUEERS!" but throwing the chair at the virgin mary I hope someone with actual editing skill tackles the concept, but I threw this together: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dd3NZ6eKhKg
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Feb 14, 2020 00:40
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Just got done our rewatch a few weeks ago, and I got the Sopranos Sessions for Valentines. Looking forward to getting through it
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Feb 14, 2020 12:58
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codo27 posted:Just got done our rewatch a few weeks ago, and I got the Sopranos Sessions for Valentines. Looking forward to getting through it It's all right. I think Jerusalem's write ups are way better though.
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Feb 14, 2020 14:30
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Sopranos Sessions is good but there's some weird errors in it. Like in the S1 finale, after Mikey is killed they talk about his wife being interviewed, sobbing and saying that his last words to her were that he loved her. They take this at face value, showing that even these horrible people have people who love them. Except we saw that his last words to her were "go take a Midol!" They either forgot this happened or blacked out for it.
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Feb 14, 2020 15:41
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zakharov posted:Sopranos Sessions is good but there's some weird errors in it. I mean, couples fight no matter who they are or what they do for a living. What's she honestly going to say when the cameras are running? "Yeah gently caress him, he treated me like poo poo" or you put on a sympathetic face and try to garner support. When Tony is in his coma, Carmela is accutely aware of the media and tells AJ not to talk to them. I think both "family" member and family members know what a camera means for them in all situations.
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Feb 14, 2020 15:56
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Matt Zerella posted:I mean, couples fight no matter who they are or what they do for a living. The authors say that those actually were his last words, which is wrong.
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Feb 14, 2020 16:39
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Jerusalem posted:up the stolen wine on his racks, and Christopher happily reports he sold his five cases for $300 which seems... low? Tony nods and Really low. Each bottle goes for like $150. Also lol at him storing it next to his washing machine
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Feb 14, 2020 17:08
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I always got a weird vibe from Mikey and his wife. Like, yea, they argue all the time but they both seem to enjoy it?
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Imagine if she'd gotten her hooks into Bobby before Janice. She would have been so frustrated with him being a big softy 
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