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Peters also got an executive-producer credit for Man of Steel but Nolan banned him from the set There's a LOT of stories of him being an absolute scumbag going back many many decades, his metoo moment is well past due
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He's a producer for the latest A Star is Born in name only. For some legal reason he must be credited with any version made from the 1976 version onwards. Similarly you can't make an MIB movie without the producer attached who is credited with ruining the latest film.
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Feb 12, 2020 15:07
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Yeah Peters is a notorious dickbag. Kevin Smith made a lot of waves with his story about all the insane poo poo he claimed Peters said and did. I think a few people later pointed out that Smith spent 11 minutes in his presence but the other poo poo Peters did was so insane nobody ever questioned it. Google isn't turning anything up so it's likely I just read that stuff here.
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Feb 12, 2020 17:09
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Rhyno posted:Yeah Peters is a notorious dickbag. Kevin Smith made a lot of waves with his story about all the insane poo poo he claimed Peters said and did. I think a few people later pointed out that Smith spent 11 minutes in his presence but the other poo poo Peters did was so insane nobody ever questioned it. Google isn't turning anything up so it's likely I just read that stuff here. People have written entire books about the bizarre poo poo that Peters has done https://www.amazon.com/Hit-Run-Nancy-Griffin/dp/0684832666
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Feb 12, 2020 17:32
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Groovelord Neato posted:I figured all these old fat rich guys knew their much more attractive spouses were marrying them for money. Ego is a motherfucker.
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Feb 12, 2020 20:41
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Groovelord Neato posted:I figured all these old fat rich guys knew their much more attractive spouses were marrying them for money. 1. People have always gone to great lengths to ignore evidence that doesn't fit their desired narrative. 2. It's not unheard of or even all that uncommon for women to be attracted to older men.
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Feb 12, 2020 23:43
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Pound for pound Jon Peters is the dumbest idiot in the animal kingdom
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Feb 12, 2020 23:59
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Rhyno posted:Yeah Peters is a notorious dickbag. Kevin Smith made a lot of waves with his story about all the insane poo poo he claimed Peters said and did. I think a few people later pointed out that Smith spent 11 minutes in his presence but the other poo poo Peters did was so insane nobody ever questioned it. Google isn't turning anything up so it's likely I just read that stuff here. I think Kevin Smith is talking about Jon Peters in this clip https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=53hMYw8LX60
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Feb 13, 2020 00:59
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-Blackadder- posted:1. People have always gone to great lengths to ignore evidence that doesn't fit their desired narrative. There's a reason I said old fat rich guys and not just older rich guys.
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Feb 13, 2020 01:03
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pentyne posted:I think Kevin Smith is talking about Jon Peters in this clip That is one of the best shaggy dog stories ever.
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Feb 13, 2020 01:12
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Isn't there proof that the giant spider obsession was real because the failed Sandman movie also had people leaving with complaints abou having to have Dream fight a giant spider?
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Feb 13, 2020 07:40
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Holy loving poo poo was he attached to that
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mycot posted:Isn't there proof that the giant spider obsession was real because the failed Sandman movie also had people leaving with complaints abou having to have Dream fight a giant spider? there's proof that the giant spider obsession was real because nearly every single person who's ever worked with him has some kind of batshit insane horror story about him demanding giant spiders e: he also suggested Sean Penn for Superman. a questionable choice, but not actively wild, right? well, he suggested Sean Penn based on Dead Man Walking, in which Penn plays a serial killer on death row, because Penn had "the eyes of a loving killer" keep in mind how people absolutely lost their loving poo poo at Man of Steel having Superman kill Zod holy poo poo, the nerd firestorm we could have gotten
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Feb 13, 2020 08:06
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It's thanks to that giant spider that Wild Wild West found a place into the collective consciousness at all, so perhaps the lesson is to put a giant spider in every movie, to feed off mankind's primal instinct of "look, big spider".
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Feb 13, 2020 08:27
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Kong: Skull Island had a giant spider and was good. Maybe Peters was on to something.
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Lesson of the day is that it’s not the idea, it’s the execution, and Peters is not the person to execute on any ideas Edit: as fun as this was, maybe we should get back on topic
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Steve Yun posted:Holy loving poo poo was he attached to that The Wikipedia blurb on this is worth reading. quote:Peters was a producer for a planned adaptation of the Sandman comics for Warner Bros., which met with controversy. One draft script commissioned by Peters was reviewed on the Internet at Ain't It Cool News,[12] and was met with scorn. Sandman creator Neil Gaiman called the last screenplay that Warner Bros. would send him "...not only the worst Sandman script I've ever seen, but quite easily the worst script I've ever read."[13] By 2001, the project had become stranded in development hell.
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Feb 14, 2020 00:02
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Jon Peters is like "what if Robert Evans but more malicious and way stupider"
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Inspector Gesicht posted:He's a producer for the latest A Star is Born in name only. For some legal reason he must be credited with any version made from the 1976 version onwards. Hollywood has a real weird relationship with EP credits. For example when the Bryan Singer stuff came out Noah Hawley fought to get his (Singer's) name removed from the TV show Legion. Hawley later said that he and Singer had like one conversation early in pre-production and they used none of Singer's ideas. Yet somehow just because it was X-Men related at Fox Singer got an EP credit.
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Good for Noah there!
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The other Fox X-Men TV show, The Gifted, also tried to get Singer removed as EP but apparently since Singer directed the pilot there were union rules about credits that meant they couldn't do it.
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Lovely Joe Stalin posted:A complete lack of nuance, a belief in narrative where there needs to be a goodies and baddies, and old fashioned bias. I'm curious: how exactly would you defend this poo poo opinion in the face of actual evidence? Note that by ignoring evidence and reflexively reaching a conclusion based on what appears to be first principles, you are absolutely guilty of everything you're accusing others of. For example, assuming that a man can't be abused and that a woman is automatically the victim. People in abusive relationships do end up being lovely, and the only solution is to leave. If you dont realize that it isn't so simple, though, you end up with what amounts to a blanket condemnation of all adult abuse victims. Hodgepodge fucked around with this message at 10:53 on Feb 15, 2020 |
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Ultimately the deal with the Amber Heard/Johnny Depp thing is that when people thought it was all Depp they were happy to get vocal about it. Once the situation becomes way more murkier and that narrative gets challenged people don't know what to do because now a woman is the abuser. At a cursory glance I did a quick search on AVCLUB (I know it's gone down the toilet) and Jezebel. Both posted numerous stories about how terrible Depp is...and that's it. In fact, doing a general search anyway doesn't throw up much reporting about it at all. I'm not standing up for Depp in this at all, but I think it sends a pretty clear message that people were happy to talk and report endlessly about it when they thought it was all Depp and sit on their hands when for example Heard is mocking Depp on tape and telling him that no one is going to believe him anyway. You know, like an abuser would.
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I also think there was just an element of a lot of people were kind of sick of Depp's whole thing, and it wasn't hard to convince them he was an rear end in a top hat.
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That's true, he'd been excessively painted as an rear end in a top hat and mild sociopath. It wasn't hard to make the leap that he was an abusive prick.
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SunshineDanceParty posted:I also think there was just an element of a lot of people were kind of sick of Depp's whole thing, and it wasn't hard to convince them he was an rear end in a top hat. After that Willy Wonka role, it's not hard to see why people would be primed for him to get #meetooed.
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Remember how Harvey Weinstein's attorney said she'd never been raped because "she never went home with strangers." In addition to being incredibly dumb and insensitive to actual victims of sexual violence, the interview was also done in violation of the judge's gag rule. https://twitter.com/rcallimachi/status/1229220033752072194?s=20
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Skwirl posted:Remember how Harvey Weinstein's attorney said she'd never been raped because "she never went home with strangers." In addition to being incredibly dumb and insensitive to actual victims of sexual violence, the interview was also done in violation of the judge's gag rule. 
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Kinda related but there's a pretty good WTF episode with Ronan Farrow. It's generally about his life but they get into some of the stuff about Woody Allen, Weinstein and others.
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DrVenkman posted:Ultimately the deal with the Amber Heard/Johnny Depp thing is that when people thought it was all Depp they were happy to get vocal about it. Once the situation becomes way more murkier and that narrative gets challenged people don't know what to do because now a woman is the abuser. ...is really the key point here and it's interesting because it reminds me a lot of how broke brained people used to be (and still are) about the Israel/Palestine Conflict. I remember a solid 15 years ago having a screaming match with my uncle who was otherwise so far to the left he makes Bernie look like Ross Perot, yet not only was he still defending Israel, it was clear from what he was saying that his knowledge and understanding of the history and nuances of the situation were so poor that he actually thought he was taking the leftist position. A history of antisemitism makes people hesitant to criticize a Jewish country no matter how blatantly racist it is. It's like people can only think in binary and since the American education system does nothing if not jerk itself off to WWII and teach lot's of interesting stuff about middle-eastern terrorism everyone's cognitive heuristic filing system just flags "Jews = Victims" and "Arabs = Villains". Subsequently any evidence that conflicts with these truth values literally does not compute and Kahneman continues to be right about everything. -Blackadder- fucked around with this message at 23:59 on Feb 17, 2020 |
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There seems to be a bit of a thread in *some* online expressions of feminism that systemically women are unable to be anything but victims by virtue of patriarchy and sexism. Even if a woman is found to be the aggressor or have agency in one circumstance, the overall experience of being a woman in the society we live in cancels this out and they are still overall a victim.
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Sloth Life posted:There seems to be a bit of a thread in *some* online expressions of feminism that systemically women are unable to be anything but victims by virtue of patriarchy and sexism. Even if a woman is found to be the aggressor or have agency in one circumstance, the overall experience of being a woman in the society we live in cancels this out and they are still overall a victim. For some reason this same thinking doesn't apply to black people of either gender.
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Skwirl posted:For some reason this same thinking doesn't apply to black people of either gender. er... i'm not really sure where you're going with this, but that's sort of what hoteps are like the people trying to claim that Cosby and R. Kelly were innocent and just got set up by whitey, for example
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LORD OF BOOTY posted:er... i'm not really sure where you're going with this, but that's sort of what hoteps are I was more referring to stuff like not taking poverty and systemic racism into account when condemning young black men to multi decade sentences for admittedly bad stuff like pushing a cashier over and grabbing what they can from the til.
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Sloth Life posted:There seems to be a bit of a thread in *some* online expressions of feminism that systemically women are unable to be anything but victims by virtue of patriarchy and sexism. Even if a woman is found to be the aggressor or have agency in one circumstance, the overall experience of being a woman in the society we live in cancels this out and they are still overall a victim. This kinda got touched on here recently in the UK. Caroline Flack was a TV presenter who beat her boyfriend with a lamp while he was asleep because she thought he was going to leave her. When the police showed up they were both covered in blood and she was still screaming at him while she was being arrested. The boyfriend didn't want it going any further but in cases like that it's not up to them (given the nature of abuse cases) and so she lost her job presenting and had just received a date for her trial. Then on valentines day she killed herself. The stance generally has been 'she was hounded by the media and also you never know what's going on with someone and what might make them act like that'. Despite the fact that an ex was about to testify at trial that she was also abusive to him so this doesn't seem to have been a sudden, one off, occurance. Naturally there's been calls for tougher press regulation and so on, but... there's no way we would be doing this if her name was Chris Flack and he had beaten his girlfriend with a lamp while she slept. It's framed as she was clearly mentally unwell and she acted out and was hounded to her death for it, but that's a lieniency that would never be afforded to a man. I'm guilty of justifying it too (she seemed nice enough, was well liked, women don't do that sort of thing etc) but there seems a hypocrisy there.
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I don't know, it absolutely doesn't excuse what they did, but I think we need to seriously look into how CTE affected Chris Benoit and Aaron Hernandez and have a discussion about it as a society. And also the British tabloid press was invented to make all other forms of news media look good by comparison. A woman literally just decided to no longer be a princess because of how loving terrible and abusive they are.
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Skwirl posted:I don't know, it absolutely doesn't excuse what they did, but I think we need to seriously look into how CTE affected Chris Benoit and Aaron Hernandez and have a discussion about it as a society. Bad as the press are, I'd put the blame for that closer to the throne personally. As to Benoit, I think the attitude among wrestling fans at least is that it was almost certainly CTE and he was probably a victim as much as his family. Without making excuses.
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Lovely Joe Stalin posted:Bad as the press are, I'd put the blame for that closer to the throne personally. Yeah, though I don't think it's anything definitive, it was supposedly noted that his brain was like that of a dementia sufferer (William Regal tells a story of Benoit inviting him over to watch Japanese wrestling tapes, only to angrily insist he did no such thing when Regal showed up the next day). Its used as a reductive crutch because we like things to make sense for us, which is why it's easier to look at Benoit and say ah CTE, even though in reality it's a variety of factors like living in pain and addiction to medication, steroid abuse and a near pathological pursuit of being the best to the point that he would punish himself if a match didn't meet some arbitrary standard.
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-Blackadder- posted:What I'm really getting a kick out off, especially from reading that other crazy rear end gaming or whatever forum, is people in the year 2020 having these light bulb moments over Johnny loving Depp of all people, about how just maybe blanket condemnation and rush to judgement aren't literally the greatest ideas ever, while using phrases like "witchunt", "in the town square", "mob", and the like, which are common references to all the dumb medieval and colonialist blanket condemnation/rush to judgement poo poo people used to do literally hundreds of years ago, that lead to the creation of the progressive modern justice system in the first place. This reminds me of certain conversations I've seen in the last couple years about what the proper way men should behave around women to avoid sexual harassment and the like, and the way some of these developed sounded like they were approaching a kind of proto-chivalry and while that may not necessarily a bad thing depending on where it goes, it amused me to think that this might have been how all that chivalrous mindset and more formalized courtship rituals of the past got started in the first place!
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