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eschaton: Mar 7, 2007; Don't you just hate when you wind up in a store with people who are in a socioeconomic class that is pretty obviously about two levels lower than your own?

I know some folks who wrote a userspace NFS server in Python

that was exciting

# ? Feb 8, 2020 08:10

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# ? Apr 26, 2024 03:47

Notorious b.s.d.: Jan 25, 2003; by Reene

pram posted:

oh yeah the oracle database also has a NFS client built in for maximum insanity

https://docs.oracle.com/en/database/oracle/oracle-database/12.2/ladbi/about-direct-nfs-client-mounts-to-nfs-storage-devices.html

maybe that is how they got reasonable performance :q:

# ? Feb 8, 2020 08:17

Notorious b.s.d.: Jan 25, 2003; by Reene

eschaton posted:

I�m anticipating hilarity when I try to netboot SunOS on my Sun 3/60 from NetBSD 8.1 on an RPi3

it supposedly serves compatible NFS�compatible enough for boot ROMs to use anyway�but what that really means to true-blue original Sun NFS is anyone�s guess

I have net booted a lot of weird stuff, including suns, off FreeBSD, often when Linux would fail for inscrutable reasons

I would expect it to work

# ? Feb 8, 2020 08:19

Nomnom Cookie: Aug 30, 2009

its extremely weird reading what mayor pete has to say about nfs and old unixes

# ? Feb 8, 2020 08:47

Poopernickel: Oct 28, 2005; electricity bad; Fun Shoe

eschaton posted:

I know some folks who wrote a userspace NFS server in Python

that was exciting

did they get it stable? any github or anything?

# ? Feb 8, 2020 08:56

Notorious b.s.d.: Jan 25, 2003; by Reene

Poopernickel posted:

did they get it stable? any github or anything?

lol at this optimism

user or kernel space, it will still be nfs. the problem domain is fundamentally intractable. you can�t make a good distributed system with posix semantics

# ? Feb 8, 2020 08:57

eschaton: Mar 7, 2007; Don't you just hate when you wind up in a store with people who are in a socioeconomic class that is pretty obviously about two levels lower than your own?

Poopernickel posted:

did they get it stable? any github or anything?

LOL if you think Github existed when this was a thing

# ? Feb 8, 2020 09:22

Captain Foo: May 11, 2004; we vibin'
we slidin'
we breathin'
we dyin'

Notorious b.s.d. posted:

The problem with Ubuntu isn't a matter of taste. It's not that I don't like Unity, or I have bad feelings about Shuttleworth, or that the logo doesn't agree with me. It's much more fundamental: The Ubuntu model for development is broken.

Ubuntu periodically forks Debian's "Unstable" tree (Debian's rolling release). Canonical, inc. works from that snapshot for six months, and then publishes a Ubuntu release.

Inside that Ubuntu release, there is a core of Canonical-supported packages. Canonical accepts bug reports for these packages. These packages receive updates for the supported lifetime of the release. Ubuntu's "core" is supported much the way that Debian or CentOS is.

The problem is that this core is only a fraction of the packages on the system. Ubuntu 14.04, the latest "long term support" release, contains 44378 packages. Only 8751 of them are in the supported part. The rest of the packages go into a separate repository, "Universe."

The packages in Universe, the missing 35 thousand packages, are six months old on release day. They've gone six months without updates or security patches. By the end of the release cycle, they're five and a half years out of date.

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Shadowhawk will doubtlessly point out that a legion of unpaid, untrained, unorganized volunteers can "maintain" packages in universe. But it's completely optional. Any given package might be untouched (bad), get backported security updates (good), be updated religiously from upstream (really bad), or replaced with something completely different from debian (really, really bad).

There's no release management process. There are no guarantees about what you find in Universe. It's totally up to the kindness of individual strangers.

Universe and Launchpad.net are sources of "works on my machine" issues and security holes. And that is all I have to say about that.

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Of course, all this peril can be avoided if you don't enable the "Universe" repositories. If you restrict yourself to the core and update repos, you should have no problems. In that case, Ubuntu could be just fine.

Now let's try to use it.

I'd like to build a ruby application.
Whoops. There's no bundler. That was part of Universe.

Python?
Oops. No pypi and no virtualenv. Those are also stuck in Universe.

Java?
Sorry. Maven was also part of Universe.

Perl?
Nope, no mod_perl2.

PHP?
Actually, PHP works fine with only core. All the necessary bits are supported. I can say without any trace of sarcasm that Ubuntu is 100% totally suitable to hosting PHP applications.

quoting this because i went looking for it

# ? Feb 11, 2020 02:01

Notorious b.s.d.: Jan 25, 2003; by Reene

Captain Foo posted:

quoting this because i went looking for it

i keep it bookmarked because it keeps coming up

# ? Feb 11, 2020 03:40

theadder: Dec 30, 2011

thats quite a time commitment op

# ? Feb 11, 2020 06:18

eschaton: Mar 7, 2007; Don't you just hate when you wind up in a store with people who are in a socioeconomic class that is pretty obviously about two levels lower than your own?

so should I install SunOS 3.5, 4.0, or 4.1 on this Ferrari

it�s got 16MB of RAM but I�m pretty sure I have enough 1MB 30-pin parity SIMMs to push it up to 24MB

# ? Feb 11, 2020 06:42

Tankakern: Jul 25, 2007

david sterba wrote about the new raid1c3 / raid1c4 mode of btrfs that came with kernel 5.5

https://kdave.github.io/btrfs-hilights-5.5-raid1c34/

# ? Feb 11, 2020 09:51

Notorious b.s.d.: Jan 25, 2003; by Reene

eschaton posted:

so should I install SunOS 3.5, 4.0, or 4.1 on this Ferrari

it�s got 16MB of RAM but I�m pretty sure I have enough 1MB 30-pin parity SIMMs to push it up to 24MB

XKernel

# ? Feb 11, 2020 17:20

Weaponized Autism: Mar 26, 2006; All aboard the Gravy train!; Hair Elf

5.6 is a big release, this will bring Linux to the desktop for sure now

# ? Feb 11, 2020 17:23

pram: Jun 10, 2001

5.6 is finally the kernel where they set the desktop bool to true. exciting times we live in

# ? Feb 11, 2020 18:39

Tankakern: Jul 25, 2007

not meaning to blogspam, but it hasn't quite dawned on me that nvidia's actually started contributing to nouveau

Open-Source Nouveau Extended To Support The GeForce 16 Series With Hardware Acceleration

# ? Feb 12, 2020 11:58

Cybernetic Vermin: Apr 18, 2005

hopefully a sign of the (graphics, gaming, not compute presumably) driver advantage eroding a bit, so all of it can become a bit less secretive in the future. makes a lot less sense to build a huge complex binary lump for linux yourself when it is no longer a critical advantage to be the only one capable of running opengl.

# ? Feb 12, 2020 12:21

Sapozhnik: Jan 2, 2005; Nap Ghost

Tankakern posted:

not meaning to blogspam, but it hasn't quite dawned on me that nvidia's actually started contributing to nouveau

Open-Source Nouveau Extended To Support The GeForce 16 Series With Hardware Acceleration

Where does it say that nv contributed this driver

# ? Feb 12, 2020 14:31

Tankakern: Jul 25, 2007

i think by documentation and with releasing signed firmware specifically for nouveau. better than nothing. maybe they give money to ben skeggs, what do i know

# ? Feb 12, 2020 15:03

Notorious b.s.d.: Jan 25, 2003; by Reene

Tankakern posted:

not meaning to blogspam, but it hasn't quite dawned on me that nvidia's actually started contributing to nouveau

Open-Source Nouveau Extended To Support The GeForce 16 Series With Hardware Acceleration

if by "contributing" you mean "handing over binary firmware blobs," sure

# ? Feb 12, 2020 19:12

The_Franz: Aug 8, 2003

nvidia throws just enough to nouveau to get barebones functionality, but that's it

i don't understand what kind of person would intentionally buy nvidia hardware if they are allergic to proprietary drivers

# ? Feb 12, 2020 19:46

psiox: Oct 15, 2001; Babylon 5 Street Team

hooray re: nouveau, i can't wait to actually be able to try wayland

want that pretty desktop without tearing

# ? Feb 12, 2020 19:49

Notorious b.s.d.: Jan 25, 2003; by Reene

The_Franz posted:

nvidia throws just enough to nouveau to get barebones functionality, but that's it

i don't understand what kind of person would intentionally buy nvidia hardware if they are allergic to proprietary drivers

i'm not sure what kind of person would even bother with 3d on linux if they are allergic to proprietary drivers

the nvidia stack is the only one that actually works

# ? Feb 12, 2020 19:51

The_Franz: Aug 8, 2003

attn mods: posts from 2008 are somehow being mixed in with current ones please look into it

# ? Feb 12, 2020 19:54

Tankakern: Jul 25, 2007

The_Franz posted:

attn mods: posts from 2008 are somehow being mixed in with current ones please look into it

# ? Feb 12, 2020 20:06

Captain Foo: May 11, 2004; we vibin'
we slidin'
we breathin'
we dyin'

it's the year of Linux on the desktop, WONTFIX

# ? Feb 12, 2020 21:55

psiox: Oct 15, 2001; Babylon 5 Street Team

good news, nerds, linux finally has a great desktop window manager https://github.com/trunkmaster/nextspace

# ? Feb 12, 2020 22:04

Cybernetic Vermin: Apr 18, 2005

this is a really good shellscript: https://github.com/rupa/z/

# ? Feb 12, 2020 22:09

spankmeister: Jun 15, 2008

Cybernetic Vermin posted:

this is a really good shellscript: https://github.com/rupa/z/

how frecently do you use it?

# ? Feb 12, 2020 22:20

Truga: May 4, 2014; Lipstick Apathy

psiox posted:

good news, nerds, linux finally has a great desktop window manager https://github.com/trunkmaster/nextspace

i unironically wish i could still use windowmaker as my desktop environment, but there's so many tiny things where dock apps just don't exit, and the alternatives don't work so well due to lack of a system tray.

e: lol in the install instructions:
5. Disable SELinux.

# ? Feb 12, 2020 22:21

Notorious b.s.d.: Jan 25, 2003; by Reene

Truga posted:

e: lol in the install instructions:
5. Disable SELinux.

lol i feel like i know so much about the authors now

# ? Feb 12, 2020 22:58

BobHoward: Feb 13, 2012; The only thing white people deserve is a bullet to their empty skull

disabling selinux, which breaks all kinds of things out of the box, is cool and good

# ? Feb 12, 2020 23:04

BobHoward: Feb 13, 2012; The only thing white people deserve is a bullet to their empty skull

selinux is a good idea implemented incredibly poorly

# ? Feb 12, 2020 23:05

Notorious b.s.d.: Jan 25, 2003; by Reene

BobHoward posted:

disabling selinux, which breaks all kinds of things out of the box, is cool and good

and now we found the target user for the world's most broken window manager

# ? Feb 12, 2020 23:09

CRIP EATIN BREAD: Jun 24, 2002; Hey stop worrying bout my acting bitch, and worry about your WACK ass music. In the mean time... Eat a hot bowl of Dicks! Ice T; Soiled Meat

selinux works fine you're just an idiot

# ? Feb 12, 2020 23:12

hobbesmaster: Jan 28, 2008

BobHoward posted:

disabling selinux, which breaks all kinds of things out of the box, is cool and good

yes, it breaks things because if you want to do things properly you have to set things up properly

that said, there are times when you need to disable them. even in "production". for an unrelated example anything involving say disabling ssh fingerprint checks is always accompanied by giant NEVER EVER DO THIS signs everywhere... except maybe you're setting up a station to configure initially flashed network appliances that will always initially report the same ip address so you'd be concerned if the fingerprint wasn't different.

# ? Feb 12, 2020 23:33