[Mafia] Europa Universalis

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SalTheBard: Jan 26, 2005; I forgot to post my food for USPOL Thanksgiving but that's okay too!; Fallen Rib

Mr. Humalong posted:

The mod has confirmed my action is the best one to take.

No it's cool I'm just laughing about how I was right about Lumpen, but for all the wrong reasons. Everyone I thought was town was scum, everyone I thought was scum was town. I'm a mafia super star!

# ? Feb 11, 2020 04:02

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Lumpen: Apr 2, 2004; I'd been happy, and I was happy still. For all to be accomplished,
for me to feel less lonely,
all that remained to hope
was that on the day of my execution
there should be a huge crowd of spectators and that they should
greet me with howls of execration.; Plaster Town Cop

Mr. Humalong posted:

The mod has confirmed my action is the best one to take.

I'm extending an olive branch that can offer you guys either a shared victory, or even a Town victory depending on how the Mod would rule an "eternal peace" (I don't think wincons were specified, but if we vote out Charms today and then agree on and demonstrate the non-aggression pact loop, then I would say both of the traditional wincons "all threats to Town are eliminated", and also "Secret Alliance has achieved uncontestable control" would be satisfied, in the particular case I anticipate possible).

If Charms is not voted out today I will have no choice but to pursue and execute a Secret Alliance victory and endgame all of you.

As for Charms...

# ? Feb 11, 2020 04:24

SalTheBard: Jan 26, 2005; I forgot to post my food for USPOL Thanksgiving but that's okay too!; Fallen Rib

Interesting.

# ? Feb 11, 2020 04:36

Lumpen: Apr 2, 2004; I'd been happy, and I was happy still. For all to be accomplished,
for me to feel less lonely,
all that remained to hope
was that on the day of my execution
there should be a huge crowd of spectators and that they should
greet me with howls of execration.; Plaster Town Cop

Okay actually that is wrong, you do still have the ability to hand the win to Charms if that's what you decide.

It would be a lot cooler to defeat Charms and achieve peace though. Not possible in most setups but an actual scenario here because of a setup quirk.

# ? Feb 11, 2020 04:37

charms: Oct 14, 2012

BBQ Sauce + Sausage + Jalapenos will be the only kind of pizza allowed in the Carpathian Hegemony

# ? Feb 11, 2020 23:17

SalTheBard: Jan 26, 2005; I forgot to post my food for USPOL Thanksgiving but that's okay too!; Fallen Rib

Just checking in so I don't get mod killed!

# ? Feb 12, 2020 04:19

Lumpen: Apr 2, 2004; I'd been happy, and I was happy still. For all to be accomplished,
for me to feel less lonely,
all that remained to hope
was that on the day of my execution
there should be a huge crowd of spectators and that they should
greet me with howls of execration.; Plaster Town Cop

Sal and Hum, are you at all persuadable? What outcome do you want for this game? Are you refusing to vote out Charms because you don't believe my offer, or because you don't care?

Please do it, I promise it will be cool. Pick the awesome ending. If you join me and vote out the SK today, I swear I will withhold my kill, the three of us will remain alive, I swear I will vote no-lunch and trust you guys not to vote me out, and so on, ad infinitum. Happily ever after.

It has never been done ever in a Mafia game before, ever, as far as I know.

# ? Feb 12, 2020 05:25

SalTheBard: Jan 26, 2005; I forgot to post my food for USPOL Thanksgiving but that's okay too!; Fallen Rib

Hum what do you think? Do we trust the traitor?

# ? Feb 12, 2020 06:19

SalTheBard: Jan 26, 2005; I forgot to post my food for USPOL Thanksgiving but that's okay too!; Fallen Rib

SalTheBard posted:

My pushback on content game is that is twofold:

1) It allows scum players to hide. For example, in this argument I'm scum. Nobody has asked me questions, thus I can just sort of skate through without providing actual content.

2) If Lumpen is scum, it allows him the ability to endlessly post questions to other players without having to defend his own opinions.

Content game on later days is fine, however content game on D1 (especially like an hour into the game being open) is dumb.

Also Eat the Rich I just want to say, I WAS loving RIGHT

# ? Feb 12, 2020 06:20

Mr. Humalong: May 7, 2007

SalTheBard posted:

Hum what do you think? Do we trust the traitor?

You should never trust a scum player. Their entire win condition is met by lying to town.

They can kill each other tonight, or they can hope they both target you. My money is on one of them targeting the other, though. Let them worry about that, though. You and me? We just kick back and wait to see what happens. Maybe they off each other, maybe they don�t.

# ? Feb 12, 2020 17:58

Lumpen: Apr 2, 2004; I'd been happy, and I was happy still. For all to be accomplished,
for me to feel less lonely,
all that remained to hope
was that on the day of my execution
there should be a huge crowd of spectators and that they should
greet me with howls of execration.; Plaster Town Cop

I hope you will reconsider. Since I claimed, everything I have said is completely true. I'm appealing to my meta here. I prefer being Town. I dislike lying. I don't do audacious gambits. I don't have any reputation for tricking people in my 11 years of playing. My wins as non-Town are usually through luck, good night action strategy, and just acting Towny in the thread. I'm not a good deceiver or betrayer, and I don't want to acquire that meta. It would not be worth it just to win this particular game.

I am being 100% honest about everything I have said today. When you see the chart of actions and read the chats and confessionals you'll see. I want to end the game the best way and I want us all to live and win cooperatively except the lurking SK.

# ? Feb 12, 2020 18:22

SalTheBard: Jan 26, 2005; I forgot to post my food for USPOL Thanksgiving but that's okay too!; Fallen Rib

Alrighty. Sounds good.

# ? Feb 12, 2020 18:48

Lumpen: Apr 2, 2004; I'd been happy, and I was happy still. For all to be accomplished,
for me to feel less lonely,
all that remained to hope
was that on the day of my execution
there should be a huge crowd of spectators and that they should
greet me with howls of execration.; Plaster Town Cop

Last half-hour, but it�s not too late...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AjIKjlf-yJg

If you don�t vote Charms, hopefully at least this will stand as an example of my reliability for future games if I ever manage to get into a similar situation. But I suppose this is unprecedented and not likely to ever align this way again.

# ? Feb 13, 2020 00:33

votefinder: Jul 6, 2010; scoop scoop

Votecount for Day 6

charms (1): Lumpen

Lynch No One! (1): charms

Lumpen (0): charms, ~~charms~~

Not Voting (2): Mr. Humalong, SalTheBard

With 4 alive, it's 3 votes to execute. The current deadline is February 12^th, 2020 at 6 p.m. CST -- that's in about 0 minutes.

"No Lynch" is a valid vote target.

# ? Feb 13, 2020 01:08

Amnistar: Nov 6, 2008; I am a wizard, not a poet.

The day has ended without death.

# ? Feb 13, 2020 01:08

Amnistar: Nov 6, 2008; I am a wizard, not a poet.

SalTheBard, Independent Nation-Aligned England has been Invaded.
Power Name: Britannia Rules the Waves
Basic Power: "You can selecet a target to block each night.
Your target can take no actions, and can be targeted by no actions."
Upgraded Power: 1-shot martial law, Jail every living player, using this removes your ability to jail for the rest of the game.
Upgrade Target: France

# ? Feb 13, 2020 01:34

Amnistar: Nov 6, 2008; I am a wizard, not a poet.

Votecount for Day 7

Not Voting (3): charms, Lumpen, Mr. Humalong

With 3 alive, it's 2 votes to execute. The current deadline is February 13^th, 2020 at 6 p.m. CST -- that's in about 23 hours, 24 minutes.

"No Lynch" is a valid vote target.

# ? Feb 13, 2020 01:35

Lumpen: Apr 2, 2004; I'd been happy, and I was happy still. For all to be accomplished,
for me to feel less lonely,
all that remained to hope
was that on the day of my execution
there should be a huge crowd of spectators and that they should
greet me with howls of execration.; Plaster Town Cop

##DoubleVote Charms
:redhammer:

# ? Feb 13, 2020 01:35

Amnistar: Nov 6, 2008; I am a wizard, not a poet.

charms, Serial Killer-Aligned Hungary has been Exiled.
Power Name: Home of Dracula
Basic Power: 1-shot bulletproof
You investigate as town to cop investigations
Upgraded Power: Permanently Bulletproof
Upgrade Target: Ottomans

It is now Night.

# ? Feb 13, 2020 01:36

Amnistar: Nov 6, 2008; I am a wizard, not a poet.

Mr. Humalong, Independent Nation-Aligned Genoa has been Invaded.
Power Name: Trade Network
Basic Power: Select a target to see who visited them that night.
Upgraded Power: You also see results for the player you visited the night before.
Upgrade Target: Denmark

Lumpen, Secret Alliance-Aligned Prussia has taken over Europe.
Power Name: From the Ashes of Disaster
Basic Power: "Your can manually change your role to any role that has died due to a dunk.
You will always use the unpowered version of their role."
Upgraded Power: "You can manually change your role to any role that has died.
You will use the powreed version of the role."
Upgrade Target: Burgandy

# ? Feb 13, 2020 01:44

hambeet: Sep 13, 2002

Woooooo

# ? Feb 13, 2020 01:45

Amnistar: Nov 6, 2008; I am a wizard, not a poet.

Thank you all for the great game.

There are a few things I think I could have balanced differently, but with the roles being assigned after being created it's hard to gurantee balance.

I did make sure scum were not adjacent in the power up wheel, and the Survivor and SK were tweaked quite a bit after being added.

# ? Feb 13, 2020 01:47

2 penny bottle imp: Jun 11, 2008; I KNOW WHAT YOU DID LAST SCUMMER

Nice game for sure!

# ? Feb 13, 2020 02:04

2 penny bottle imp: Jun 11, 2008; I KNOW WHAT YOU DID LAST SCUMMER

Eat The Rich posted:

Also only two alignments in the OP.

What a foolish post!

# ? Feb 13, 2020 02:06

Referee: Aug 25, 2004; "Winning is great, sure, but if you are really going to do something in life, the secret is learning how to lose. Nobody goes undefeated all the time. If you can pick up after a crushing defeat, and go on to win again, you are going to be a champion someday."
(Wilma Rudolph)

Fun game all around. Congrats Lumpen!

# ? Feb 13, 2020 02:06

charms: Oct 14, 2012

The Carpathian Hegemony... :negative:

Now that the game's over, we can ask the important questions. Was that crackpot theory about CPig trying to kill Lumpen with his own vig actually true?

# ? Feb 13, 2020 02:13

Amnistar: Nov 6, 2008; I am a wizard, not a poet.

charms posted:

The Carpathian Hegemony...

Now that the game's over, we can ask the important questions. Was that crackpot theory about CPig trying to kill Lumpen with his own vig actually true?

Yep.

# ? Feb 13, 2020 02:13

Lumpen: Apr 2, 2004; I'd been happy, and I was happy still. For all to be accomplished,
for me to feel less lonely,
all that remained to hope
was that on the day of my execution
there should be a huge crowd of spectators and that they should
greet me with howls of execration.; Plaster Town Cop

SalTheBard posted:

I hope town just decides to follow Lumpen into oblivion because that is probably what is going to happen.

I did want peace though!
My plan from confessional:
"Lumpen Last Monday at 11:52 AM
If I can convince Sal and Hum to vote Charms, I intend to withhold the kill and develop Loved. Then on the next day I intend to vote no-kill. If if they defect and try to vote me out and fail because I'm Loved, I will endgame them that night. But if they also vote no-kill, I will withhold again and gain doublevote. That day I will once again invite them to repeat the no-kill, and either repeat ad infinitum, or double-vote to end it if I am ever betrayed.
As mod you could rule the eternal standoff as a win for whoever you think is thematically appropriate. If my refusal to kill non-betrayers means Town wins and the Secret Alliance loses, so be it!"

# ? Feb 13, 2020 02:21

Mr. Humalong: May 7, 2007

good game

# ? Feb 13, 2020 02:22

Amnistar: Nov 6, 2008; I am a wizard, not a poet.

Mr. Humalong posted:

good game

I'm sorry you only got to complete 1 night action in the entire game ><.

# ? Feb 13, 2020 02:27

Hal Incandenza: Feb 12, 2004

Bravo Lumpen a well deserved victory!
Good job by the scum all around really

Also if you hadn't been jailed N1 Lumpen I would have masoned you and you would have killed me and thus you as well (like what ended up happening to beet) so really you owe it all to Sal

# ? Feb 13, 2020 02:54

Hal Incandenza: Feb 12, 2004

Also awesome game Amni I am glad you are back in the community

Sad that only one of my five masonries actually worked I was looking forward to chatting with everyone I tried to Mason

# ? Feb 13, 2020 02:55

SalTheBard: Jan 26, 2005; I forgot to post my food for USPOL Thanksgiving but that's okay too!; Fallen Rib

So what the gently caress happened the night I target Xiw to get jailed?

EDIT: I'm assuming Ham used his power to redirect everything to Xiw who I just happened to jail

# ? Feb 13, 2020 03:22

hambeet: Sep 13, 2002

Oh hey charms, you played a really good first game, especially as SK. I hope you stick around and play more games here.

# ? Feb 13, 2020 03:26

Amnistar: Nov 6, 2008; I am a wizard, not a poet.

SalTheBard posted:

So what the gently caress happened the night I target Xiw to get jailed?

EDIT: I'm assuming Ham used his power to redirect everything to Xiw who I just happened to jail

Lumpen developed the 1-shot lightning rod power. They wanted to gurantee no one died to a second vig from cpig and weren't sure if you were gonna mega jail.

# ? Feb 13, 2020 03:27