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silvergoose posted:In a position of absolute authority, knowing a subordinate (who was also an old ex) was duty bound to stay close and spy, bullied said ex into sleeping with her and tormented her. It was one of the Pevara hunt for black ajah subplots that Egwene figured out and was like holy poo poo you are doing horrible things for the greater good, stop it right the gently caress now.
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Yeah I just finished listening to the first time Egwene had to serve Eliada dinner and this grey sister is such a quivering wreck as Eliada just torments her. I really like MOST of Egwene in the tower, but she's a loving monster in her own way.
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Feb 11, 2020 18:41
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VAGENDA OF MANOCIDE posted:It might actually be easier to deal with. This is the whole reason I started listening to WOT Spoilers. There are so many of these little things I missed.
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Feb 11, 2020 19:07
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sweet, just got back to dumai's wells and finished LoC. knowing that i'll be around the halfway point once i get into book 7 makes it seem less daunting to get back to where i was before and then finish everything fully.
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Feb 11, 2020 23:43
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Johnny Joestar posted:sweet, just got back to dumai's wells and finished LoC. knowing that i'll be around the halfway point once i get into book 7 makes it seem less daunting to get back to where i was before and then finish everything fully. I mean, the books do get LONGER.
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Feb 13, 2020 16:53
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VAGENDA OF MANOCIDE posted:I mean, the books do get LONGER. hell, i pretty much expected that. it's just nice to have a solid point i've reached in the series, after all! not looking forward to the segment of egwene back in the tower, though
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Feb 13, 2020 17:17
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Johnny Joestar posted:hell, i pretty much expected that. it's just nice to have a solid point i've reached in the series, after all! 63 page spanking montage
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Feb 13, 2020 17:27
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I think the biggest thing you notice as the series goes on is that an afternoon can span 3-4 chapters. This is especially noticeable during the Elayne chapters. There's a section in KOD where they take 3 chapters for her to walk from one section of the palace to another.
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Feb 13, 2020 18:43
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Having just finished it again, the ending of The Eye of the World still jars horribly with most of the rest of the series. Aginor and Bethemel go down like absolute chumps and I still don't really get what actually happened with Rand teleporting to Tarwin's Gap then climbing stairs to fight Ishamael? Did we ever get confirmation if that was the Creator speaking? Was it just Rand's insanity sparking early?
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Feb 13, 2020 18:51
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i can sort of reason the two of them going down like that if only because if there's anything the series shows, it's that the forsaken mainly just have knowledge on their side and are otherwise petty dipshits at times. i can see aginor and bethemel just absolutely, 100% underestimating what was going on out of hubris and getting lit up due to it. generally the rest don't just pop out in front of the protagonists unless they have the upper hand without a doubt. the rest is definitely kind of weird, but i can chalk that up to jordan maybe not knowing if the series would get picked up enough to make it worth carrying on. or maybe it's the lord of the rings influence that he's admitted to?
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Feb 13, 2020 19:11
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I actually really liked belthamel being like you're just a nym, why would I worry about what the gently caress aaaaa plants aren't supposed to be weapons
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Feb 13, 2020 19:25
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Zore posted:Having just finished it again, the ending of The Eye of the World still jars horribly with most of the rest of the series. The Forsaken get taken down by the "primitive" protagonists throughout the series because of their hubris. Also they had just popped out of botched cryosleep and were basically sentient zombies, it makes sense to me that the heroes could get the jump on them although they still got their licks in. I always read it as the actual Creator speaking to Rand. The thing at Tarwin's Gap, the fight with Ishamael, etc just seem to be an effect of him tapping into pure Saidin and (probably) drawing on knowledge from LTT that he didn't know he had yet. The sequence definitely has a lot of artistic license it in but it never read as incongruent with the rest of the series to me.
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Feb 13, 2020 19:30
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silvergoose posted:I actually really liked belthamel being like you're just a nym, why would I worry about what the gently caress aaaaa plants aren't supposed to be weapons Belthamel's death is fine honestly, its mostly Aginor that has me feeling down about it because he mostly just monologues at everyone, sort of toys with Moiraine before getting bored (inflicting no lasting injury on anyone) then just stares at Rand before unceremoniously blowing up while Rand goes on his acid trip adventure to fight Ishy.
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Feb 13, 2020 19:32
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Yeah, it's taveren plus burning a single shot consumable artifact.
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Feb 13, 2020 19:42
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Zore posted:Belthamel's death is fine honestly, its mostly Aginor that has me feeling down about it because he mostly just monologues at everyone, sort of toys with Moiraine before getting bored (inflicting no lasting injury on anyone) then just stares at Rand before unceremoniously blowing up while Rand goes on his acid trip adventure to fight Ishy. It's fine that the Forsaken get defeated by their own hubris, but having Aginor just literally commit suicide by drawing too much of the power feels silly - it's a mistake that we don't even see a beginner channeler ever make.
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Ani posted:It feels like Aginor just shouldn't have been there - instead have Balthamel defeat Moiraine, chase Rand, then just as he's about to defeat Rand, have the Green Man kill him. Yeah, I think its also harmed by how short the section is. We spend more pages on all three individual times Mat and Rand have to escape Darkfriends on the road to Caemlyn, or Perrin and Egwene's encounter with the Whitecloaks than we do on taking down three Forsaken. It just feels super jammed in and rushed considering how drawn out most of the rest of the book (and series) is.
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Feb 13, 2020 20:26
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Drawing too much of the power is a constant temptation that all the channelers have to struggle against. Showing Aginor actually do so early on sets the stakes - this is the tool our protagonist must tame
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Feb 13, 2020 20:27
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Ani posted:It feels like Aginor just shouldn't have been there - instead have Balthamel defeat Moiraine, chase Rand, then just as he's about to defeat Rand, have the Green Man kill him. Aginor was a terrible combatant and channeler, IIRC. He only got his Forsaken status because he was a brilliant genetic engineer. I could see him getting shaken enough about the situation to just completely fumble it.
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Feb 13, 2020 20:32
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He was supposed to have drawn too much? I thought Rand incinerated him with the Eye before heading off to murder trollocs/argue with Ishamael. Either way the power use in the first book in general feels a bit incongruent with the later stuff at times. Moiraine stepping over the walls of Baerlon. Moiraine using a staff as a focus but no other channeler ever doing similar (outside of specific weaves like Moiraine's scrying using her keseira), and her never bothering to replace it after discarding it because of the Ways. Healing people apparently giving you the ability to feel where they are which I vaguely think maybe comes up once or twice later but considering how much healing goes on and how often people are looking for each other it should come up very often I'm sure there's a few other tidbits I don't remember at the moment and I know these have all been fanwanked away in one way or another but it always feels a bit off on re-reads to me.
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Feb 13, 2020 21:19
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Spek posted:He was supposed to have drawn too much? I thought Rand incinerated him with the Eye before heading off to murder trollocs/argue with Ishamael. Moiraine stepping over the walls is definitely implied to be an illusion. Rand notes the door doesn't fully shut until after she's already out, so I always figured she walked out the gate while projecting the big Moiraine image.
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Feb 13, 2020 21:23
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I'm up to end of Fires of Heaven in my re-read and I'm wondering, is there a single boring Rand chapter in the whole series? Like for example Nynaeve as a whole is good, but some of these chapters while they're on the run, about being snippy at Elayne and angry at men and furious at low-cut cleavages are just ugh. Rand never stops doing interesting poo poo as far as I can remember.
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Feb 13, 2020 23:56
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JOHN SKELETON posted:I'm up to end of Fires of Heaven in my re-read and I'm wondering, is there a single boring Rand chapter in the whole series? Like for example Nynaeve as a whole is good, but some of these chapters while they're on the run, about being snippy at Elayne and angry at men and furious at low-cut cleavages are just ugh. Rand never stops doing interesting poo poo as far as I can remember. Maybe at some point where he's hanging out at that manor house for what seems like 3 books? Also, I always feel like they threw in an ineffective Trolloc army getting massacred during that section of the series just to give him something to do (I know it explored a bit of his rivalry with Logain and made it more clear that Lews wasn't necessarily just madness because Lews was then doing stuff with the power Rand had never thought of but it was still felt really out of nowhere that this army had just showed up at his doorstep to get murdered).
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Spek posted:He was supposed to have drawn too much? I thought Rand incinerated him with the Eye before heading off to murder trollocs/argue with Ishamael. I agree it feels less part of the system that RJ lays out on the rest of the books, but I think at least some of that is intentional. It's the only book where you get the perspective of someone who knows jack poo poo about channeling and almost no first person perspective from people who can see weaves. That poo poo is impressive and scary to normies.
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Feb 14, 2020 00:57
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The Neal! posted:Maybe at some point where he's hanging out at that manor house for what seems like 3 books? god that bit just comes out of loving nowhere
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:god that bit just comes out of loving nowhere It's brought up that Grandral was moving a massive army through the ways, posing as Samaeal Spelling
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Feb 14, 2020 01:23
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Yeah after I wrote that post I considered that it might be foreshadowing, but still, giant ineffectual army out of nowhere was pretty bizarre for a series that is generally pretty grounded
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Feb 14, 2020 01:41
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Zore posted:Moiraine stepping over the walls is definitely implied to be an illusion. Rand notes the door doesn't fully shut until after she's already out, so I always figured she walked out the gate while projecting the big Moiraine image. I hate that I know this from the rpg but yeah it was specifically an illusion weave. “Spinning the Mosts and Mirrors” or something similar. I think it’s main use later is as a means of public address. It’s probably also technically what Rand and Ishy use when battling in the sky at Falme.
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I loved that WoT tabletop RPG. In fact the only reason I ever discovered the books in the first place was because when I joined the tabletop games club in Highschool, they were in the process of playing the campaign that was released with it; and the teacher in charge of the club told me to start reading the series to familiarise myself with the setting.
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Feb 14, 2020 14:40
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Old Kentucky Shark posted:I hate that I know this from the rpg but yeah it was specifically an illusion weave. “Spinning the Mosts and Mirrors” or something similar. I think it’s main use later is as a means of public address. It’s probably also technically what Rand and Ishy use when battling in the sky at Falme. The Tower ambassadors in LoC try to impress Rand with it and LTT just laughs at them in his head.
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The Lord Bude posted:I loved that WoT tabletop RPG. In fact the only reason I ever discovered the books in the first place was because when I joined the tabletop games club in Highschool, they were in the process of playing the campaign that was released with it; and the teacher in charge of the club told me to start reading the series to familiarise myself with the setting.
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Nihilarian posted:i think this is the first time i've heard someone speak positively of that thing That’s surprising. It’s just 3rd ed d&d reskinned with WoT. If you like d&d and you like WoT how could it be bad? My only issue is that there was only ever the one professionally written campaign for it; but the teacher wrote his own as a follow up.
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Feb 14, 2020 17:47
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There was a really awful wot mud I tried once.
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Feb 14, 2020 17:59
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I tried to start a whitecloak but there was like no combat of any interest in their starting zone and then I tried to rp and no one responded and then I stopped, that's my story.
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The Lord Bude posted:That’s surprising. It’s just 3rd ed d&d reskinned with WoT. If you like d&d and you like WoT how could it be bad? My only issue is that there was only ever the one professionally written campaign for it; but the teacher wrote his own as a follow up.
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silvergoose posted:There was a really awful wot mud I tried once. It must not have been Broken Seals or Fires of Heaven because those were great. 
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Slowpoke Rodriguez posted:It must not have been Broken Seals or Fires of Heaven because those were great. Neither of those ring a bell so dunno. It was also (many) years ago.
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Feb 14, 2020 18:09
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Nihilarian posted:... 3rd edition was so bad they remade it (and it was still bad) This is an extremely incorrect opinion. Now the WoT FPS from the 90s - that was godawful.
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The Lord Bude posted:This is an extremely incorrect opinion. Lotta super wrong opinions it It had *amazing* multiplayer.
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Feb 14, 2020 18:16
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Also there was a somewhat recent gdq run of it and it was amazing.
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Slowpoke Rodriguez posted:It must not have been Broken Seals or Fires of Heaven because those were great. I don't remember the one I played, but it had rj's blessing. I just remember that I played a make channeler and every now and then your chatter would "caper madly" or something to show that you were mad.
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