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Farm Frenzy posted:I don't expect anyone to watch the cancelling video because its really long and weird but i took it as making this distinction in the end - she agrees with most of the criticism and points out that people yelling at her on twitter hasn't really hurt her. she had a few lovely weeks on twitter that she recovered from because she has IRL friends and a career while other people who have the cancelling ritual done to them online can get seriously harmed. Annointed posted:https://twitter.com/ChannelAwesome/status/1227766720506552322
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Farm Frenzy posted:I don't expect anyone to watch the cancelling video because its really long and weird but i took it as making this distinction in the end - she agrees with most of the criticism and points out that people yelling at her on twitter hasn't really hurt her. she had a few lovely weeks on twitter that she recovered from because she has IRL friends and a career while other people who have the cancelling ritual done to them online can get seriously harmed. also very few of the people involved are truly bad people intentionally doing harm. it's a bunch of crabs in a bucket loving each other up because they can't get out of the bucket. there was no productive outcome, nobody came out of it having won anything, except a few shitheads gaining clout, and the alt-right getting to gloat about the left being in disarray. it basically convinced me that content creators on Youtube have little to no significant role in a mass left movement. and Twitter is cancerous and so many of the big clout trans/enby people on there are deeply unwell and respond to adversity by passing their misery on to as many people as they can. I would like to say that while I have a lot of feelings about other things Contra did, she did not do anything wrong featuring those lovely tweets. it seems like there's a principle that you can say anything you want to a public figure online with zero consequences. not merely zero censorship, but zero consequences. and, uh. no. I got my first Twitter account suspended for repeatedly being a jackass to a particular blue check. Did I rage about the injustice? no, because I kinda deserved it. Because while we usually don't face the consequences of being jackasses online, it is possible we could at any point. anyway the intent was clearly not to harass those people either, but to demonstrate what people had been saying to her. should she have blanked out all identifying information? I dunno. She wasn't inciting harassment. that's bullshit. whatever else I think about her, that's untrue. more than that, the notion was a lie to begin with, a lie I even initially bought into. it was asserted within hours of the video's release, with the obvious hope people would see it before or instead of watching the video. and now it's bulletproof bullshit. people will be repeating it for years to come. does not make it true, and I'm not going to argue about this because I am correct, and you know it. Twitter is a mistake, Youtube is a mistake. Contra is problematic, but whatever, the discourse is over, for both bad and good. you cannot either criticize or praise her. Because you don't know who's going to come barreling around a corner holding a rhetorical chainsaw, either for her or against her. all that's left is to just post her videos or not, with no commentary. which is kinda a problem for a content creator, isn't it? having even talking about their videos online become loving impossible? I think the cancellers did kinda win, and it's going to take a while to see how complete their (stupid, pyrrhic) victory was.
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Spatula City posted:anyway the intent was clearly not to harass those people either, but to demonstrate what people had been saying to her. should she have blanked out all identifying information? I dunno. She wasn't inciting harassment. that's bullshit. whatever else I think about her, that's untrue. more than that, the notion was a lie to begin with, a lie I even initially bought into. it was asserted within hours of the video's release, with the obvious hope people would see it before or instead of watching the video. and now it's bulletproof bullshit. people will be repeating it for years to come. does not make it true, and I'm not going to argue about this because I am correct, and you know it. Spatula City posted:I'm not going to argue about this because I am correct, and you know it. Spatula City posted:you don't know who's going to come barreling around a corner holding a rhetorical chainsaw, either for her or against her. Hmmm.
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Katt posted:While I loved Doom 2016. The original doom cyberdemon was more iconic in its design and I would rather have seen an updated version of that. The 2016 one looks more like a lumpy alien than a demon. The original cyberdemon gives more occult hell merged with machine vibes. Good news, the Cyber Demon in Doom Eternal looks like the OG! In fact most demons in Eternal are deliberately closer to sprites (even the soldiers have green hair now) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzX09_4hcPc
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Kunster posted:Did he ever like, watch an entire Duckman ep in the first place? Like, for "This show is about an rear end in a top hat character", he ends up making his situation worse on a good part of the episodes, like, far more directly than let's say All In the Family. That Doug fails to get Duckman isn't to be admired as a person is not the most shocking thing.
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it's just the same kinda brain problems that make people think Rick is a cool and admirable guy or watch Curb and think Larry is being victimized, people are dumb and can't see beyond 'main character = hero'. Like, same as the people who thought Joker was a movie about how cool it is to do shootings, people are dumb.
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Glad that Doug is continuing his lifelong trend of jumping onto trends 3-5 years too late. Looking forward to the immanent rehiring of amazing atheist so that they and brad jones can collaborate on a video about The Great Replacement and/or warn us about the tyranny of Anita Sarkeesian.
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This thread is not the internet, and I assure you people are still making spicy takes on Natalie’s videos. This thread just doesn’t have the energy to watch another 40 minute video from her which is why the discussion is more an exasperated “What did she do this time?”
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Spatula City posted:Twitter is a mistake, Youtube is a mistake. Contra is problematic, but whatever, the discourse is over, for both bad and good. you cannot either criticize or praise her. Because you don't know who's going to come barreling around a corner holding a rhetorical chainsaw, either for her or against her. all that's left is to just post her videos or not, with no commentary. which is kinda a problem for a content creator, isn't it? having even talking about their videos online become loving impossible? I think the cancellers did kinda win, and it's going to take a while to see how complete their (stupid, pyrrhic) victory was. Or the more likely outcome, COntra continues to be the first and only source for most cis people about trans issues, the lovely low-grade transmed views espoused by the channel continue to be the only mainstream counternarrative to raging bigotry, and in five years we “win” trans rights in a way that helps perhaps 20% of extremely binary trans people just like happened with marriage equality.
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CmdrKing posted:Or the more likely outcome, COntra continues to be the first and only source for most cis people about trans issues, the lovely low-grade transmed views espoused by the channel continue to be the only mainstream counternarrative to raging bigotry, and in five years we “win” trans rights in a way that helps perhaps 20% of extremely binary trans people just like happened with marriage equality. I went to the SA trans thread to try and educate myself before it got locked. Not to post, just read people's discussions. Maybe it was healthy in the past, but there was just people being abusive to each other and accusing the mods of gaslighting. What I'm trying to say is that finding resources is genuinely hard, especially when a lot of material is disinformation being put out by terfs. So at the moment, Contra is still probably the best starting point for a cis person to get babies first intro to trans issues. Her experiences aren't universal so it's important that people continue to find and read other sources, but like I said, she's useful as a starting point. Since it's been mentioned, I will say it's clear from her writings and the full body of her work that she isn't a transmedicalist.
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Bug Squash posted:I went to the SA trans thread to try and educate myself before it got locked. Not to post, just read people's discussions. Maybe it was healthy in the past, but there was just people being abusive to each other and accusing the mods of gaslighting. What I'm trying to say is that finding resources is genuinely hard, especially when a lot of material is disinformation being put out by terfs. The SA trans threads in the d&d are/were pretty poisonous places yeah. Contra works as a starter four outsiders cause I feel she can get information across in an interesting way that's easy to swallow if you're not familiar with trans stuff. And thats a positive.
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Spatula City posted:also very few of the people involved are truly bad people intentionally doing harm. it's a bunch of crabs in a bucket loving each other up because they can't get out of the bucket. there was no productive outcome, nobody came out of it having won anything, except a few shitheads gaining clout, and the alt-right getting to gloat about the left being in disarray. it basically convinced me that content creators on Youtube have little to no significant role in a mass left movement. and Twitter is cancerous and so many of the big clout trans/enby people on there are deeply unwell and respond to adversity by passing their misery on to as many people as they can. I would like to say that while I have a lot of feelings about other things Contra did, she did not do anything wrong featuring those lovely tweets. it seems like there's a principle that you can say anything you want to a public figure online with zero consequences. not merely zero censorship, but zero consequences. and, uh. no. I got my first Twitter account suspended for repeatedly being a jackass to a particular blue check. Did I rage about the injustice? no, because I kinda deserved it. Because while we usually don't face the consequences of being jackasses online, it is possible we could at any point. She used people who didn't even @ her and were just saying something about contra to their 30 followers or whatever....Why show them? If it was just people who were directly engaging with her with @s or by responding directly I think it would be fair game to show them with their names blacked out but..Name searching herself and airing the responses had no other possible outcome than harassment. That whole segment was just mocking of people who were upset.
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I do miss a few of her videos as references. Autogynephilia and Tiffany Tumbles are decent intro points for debunking/thinking critically about certain topics. But unless you mean some sort of published article somewhere... if you’re looking at the totality of ContraPoints channel and public statements and not seeing where it brushes with transmedicalism, I’m not sure your further reading has been as robust as you think.
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bessantj posted:Awesome vid by Kim about non Fire Pro Japanese wrestling games. A video I did know I wanted just not how much. Kim's videos are always good and they don't get put in here enough.
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Annointed posted:https://twitter.com/ChannelAwesome/status/1227766720506552322 I love how 99% of the replies are people dunking on Doug. Lmao get hosed Doug
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Spatula City posted:it basically convinced me that content creators on Youtube have little to no significant role in a mass left movement. whoa
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CmdrKing posted:Or the more likely outcome, COntra continues to be the first and only source for most cis people about trans issues, the lovely low-grade transmed views espoused by the channel continue to be the only mainstream counternarrative to raging bigotry, and in five years we “win” trans rights in a way that helps perhaps 20% of extremely binary trans people just like happened with marriage equality. What happened with marriage equality that could be called exclusionary? (This is an honest question and not meant as a challenge)
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Spatula City posted:anyway the intent was clearly not to harass those people either, but to demonstrate what people had been saying to her. should she have blanked out all identifying information? I dunno. She wasn't inciting harassment. that's bullshit. Literally everyone who has been on Twitter for more than five minutes knows that someone with a massive audience putting the spotlight on someone with no real followers is only going to end one way. That person will get dogpilled and harassed for days by well-intentioned idiots and crazy people. That's how Twitter works. Yeah Youtube is not the normal way of doing it, but she might has well have been subtweeting them. We know it, Contra knew it and hell you knew it writing this post. Ibram Gaunt posted:She used people who didn't even @ her and were just saying something about contra to their 30 followers or whatever....Why show them? If it was just people who were directly engaging with her with @s or by responding directly I think it would be fair game to show them with their names blacked out but..Name searching herself and airing the responses had no other possible outcome than harassment. That whole segment was just mocking of people who were upset. This one hundred times.
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Junpei Hyde posted:This is why probotector is the better series Is it morally right to watch the Harmony Gold Robotech if I want to learn more about anime?
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Junpei Hyde posted:This is why probotector is the better series I dunno, robots that die in one hit are kind of silly
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fatherboxx posted:Good news, the Cyber Demon in Doom Eternal looks like the OG! Now I know the asteroid is going to hit us because that's awesome.
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Antifa Turkeesian posted:What happened with marriage equality that could be called exclusionary? (This is an honest question and not meant as a challenge) It’s fine unto itself. It just only directly helps maybe 20% of queer people yet became an intense hyper focus of activism such that achieving it (via a single precarious court decision) was declared Gay Rights Achieved.
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Antifa Turkeesian posted:Is it morally right to watch the Harmony Gold Robotech if I want to learn more about anime? sure
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Contrapoints as Trans 101 baffles me, because your average viewer would nope out after a few minutes. They tend to be way too weird and high-concept to serve as an introduction to anything. I guess Very Online millenials and Gen Z kids, but...they aren’t ones who need an introduction to trans topics. You don’t teach a boomer about trans issues with a video that frequently takes a break for romantic bathtub interludes with a cardboard cutout of
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CmdrKing posted:It’s fine unto itself. It just only directly helps maybe 20% of queer people yet became an intense hyper focus of activism such that achieving it (via a single precarious court decision) was declared Gay Rights Achieved. Yeah, it's very "Barack Obama was president so Racism Is Over" energy.
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I like Jim. Did Jim ever catch a break. Ever? Like yeah he's internet famous with all the wealth, power and glory that comes with it. But he's pretty much toiled for it a few thousands subscribers at a time for over a decade. I don't think he ever went viral or anything. He's also one of the few. If not the only completely uncompromising personalities in mainstream youtube videogaming media. No sponsorships, no kissing up to the money. Just his own views come hell or high water.
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Pants Donkey posted:Contrapoints as Trans 101 baffles me, because your average viewer would nope out after a few minutes. They tend to be way too weird and high-concept to serve as an introduction to anything. I guess Very Online millenials and Gen Z kids, but...they aren’t ones who need an introduction to trans topics. That’s why her early videos were so much better. Back then she mostly just talked to the camera like a normal person, with maybe one or two brief appearances by a character in a silly costume. Then the characters gradually took over and the videos became less and less newbie-friendly.
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Katt posted:I like Jim. Did Jim ever catch a break. Ever? I mean, Jimquisition episodes are often in the Youtube "trending" section the day they get released. And I don't know if him being "completely uncompromising" is actually a positive thing, as he will often beat a dead horse. EDIT: CmdrKing posted:It’s fine unto itself. It just only directly helps maybe 20% of queer people yet became an intense hyper focus of activism such that achieving it (via a single precarious court decision) was declared Gay Rights Achieved. I can't remember who it was who started posting a list of states where you could legally get fired if your boss saw the announcement of your gay wedding in the newspaper. There's definitely a ways to go with things like nationwide workplace discrimination protections being the important steps yet to be taken. But it also gets frustrating when some members of the community do nothing but complain when a positive step like marriage equality has been taken because it's not the be-all, end-all fix for everything. Like, it would undeniably be a better world if what people in this thread were claiming was true and the majority of cis people actually got their information about trans issues from Contrapoints. Clearly it wouldn't be perfect, but it would be much better, because in reality right now the majority of cis people are getting their information on trans issues from Fox News. LanceHunter fucked around with this message at 19:42 on Feb 17, 2020 |
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Katt posted:I like Jim. Did Jim ever catch a break. Ever? I do wonder if his wrestling clips with the logo in the video isn't just undisclosed sponsorship. Could be just the cynic in me, though.
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CmdrKing posted:It’s fine unto itself. It just only directly helps maybe 20% of queer people yet became an intense hyper focus of activism such that achieving it (via a single precarious court decision) was declared Gay Rights Achieved. Makes sense. Thank you.
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