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Neddy Seagoon posted:I thought it was well done that the general shifts in their society towards the end of the show weren't arbitrarily un-Ferengi in their logic; They didn't all magically turn into a perfect egalitarian society, it's just turns out that things like medical care and time off (as well as employing I mean, Ayn Rand had a term for that kind of thing. "Rational Self-Interest". You gain more down the road, by treating them better. And I mean, look at our current system where you are nickel and dimed on everything. Ferengi would loving it
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Teriyaki Hairpiece posted:Man I'm watching Future's End Part 2 and Chakotay mentions his semester "in the belt" and now I'm thinking how much better Voyager would have been if it had been a Starfleet/Belter crew. The Marquis are a bunch of angry assholes holding onto their lovely little piece of the galaxy (Expanse spoilers) even though there are countless habitable worlds to settle on elsewhere. They are already Beltalowda.
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Teriyaki Hairpiece posted:Man I'm watching Future's End Part 2 and Chakotay mentions his semester "in the belt" and now I'm thinking how much better Voyager would have been if it had been a Starfleet/Belter crew. I like how Voyager made it so everyone in Starfleet had some sort of relationship with Boothby.
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coconono posted:Deep Space 9. Just great classic poo poo 
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whether Picard is actually good or not remains to be seen but i think we can all agree that Captain Rios and the Holograms are wonderful. i hope they just keep bringing out new ones every episode. Emergency Butt Wiping Hologram and Emergency Jefferies Tube Hologram
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Neddy Seagoon posted:The Marquis are a bunch of angry assholes holding onto their lovely little piece of the galaxy (Expanse spoilers) even though there are countless habitable worlds to settle on elsewhere. They are already Beltalowda. I just want Chakotay calling someone dustlungs.
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oh but seriously I posted:we have too many star trek threads. i am getting burned out on talking about star trek on the internet The other is the mirror universe thread.
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The mirror universe thread is the one in TV/IV, where Picard is the greatest Star Trek show ever made.
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This is the only Star Trek thread for me. You people always have been, and always shall be my friends.
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The General posted:This is the only Star Trek thread for me. You people always have been, and always shall be my friends. Alongside "Old Yeller", WoK is one of the few acceptable movies for men to cry at.
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oh but seriously I posted:we have too many star trek threads. i am getting burned out on talking about star trek on the internet you can post about other space operas in the star trek thread. it's tradition 
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:you can post about other space operas in the star trek thread. it's tradition Only Andromeda and ALF
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Neddy Seagoon posted:The Marquis are a bunch of angry assholes holding onto their lovely little piece of the galaxy (Expanse spoilers) even though there are countless habitable worlds to settle on elsewhere. They are already Beltalowda. Don't insult the Beltalowda by comparing a bunch of rich inners, trying to steal more land and have people fight their wars for them to keep it in a galaxy of innumerable planets, just because they wanted to feel persecuted and put-upon. They're a bunch of goddamn hipster assholes. They're the goddamn Mormons. But worse.
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EimiYoshikawa posted:Don't insult the Beltalowda by comparing a bunch of rich inners, trying to steal more land and have people fight their wars for them to keep it in a galaxy of innumerable planets, just because they wanted to feel persecuted and put-upon. I dunno if I would call them rich, they're colonists but they aren't necessarily *rich*, esp after the cardassian attacks
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Teriyaki Hairpiece posted:Only Andromeda and ALF https://i.imgur.com/8mi5f0F.mp4
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alexandriao posted:I dunno if I would call them rich, they're colonists but they aren't necessarily *rich*, esp after the cardassian attacks Even at their lowest point (pre-slaughter by the Jem'hadar), they were literally living in squalor (and forcing their children to do so as well) by choice because they thought it was cooler than admitting they were being dumb and going back to the Federation (who totally would have given them back their citizenships, which they willfully discarded to show how mad they were over THEIR DIRT not being valued properly, and given them some new planet full of new dirt and tomatoes). They were 'poor' like some trust fund rear end in a top hat hipster who chooses to be 'poor' for the perceived status it gives them, while always knowing that if they get into any real jams, they can get out of it with one phone call/subspace message and daddy/the Federation will come calling.
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The Maquis are the SovCits of the Alpha Quadrant. They were fortunate enough to be born in one of the best places in the galaxy, but threw it all away for ARE FREEDUMS.
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Johnny Aztec posted:those some weird looking Daleks A friend tried to get me into Dr. Who with Eccelson (sp?) and it just wasn't rubbing my rhubarb no matter how fun his blonde buddy was. He was just endlessly goofy and treating everything as such a loving lark until the episode where he came face to face with a Dalek and he started frothing at the mouth screaming murder and could barely be contained. That got me interested for about 15 minutes then he was goofy again. I've only seen a few other scattered episodes: The one with Tenant loving over the vampires was pretty good. The one with sweary-dude riding a tank and playing rock songs was kinda cute too. But overall Who is just too, I dunno, too British. ALF as a dark reboot mini series could be fun. Actually in my lovely opinion series should now be in mini series format only. Open ended episodic TV sucks and it always gets to jumping the loving shark and goes down in flames. Just setup a 10 or 15 or whatever episode arc, get tightly from A to B, then leave it alone. Revisit the universe if you must like Fargo did, but even they get a little too cute with the references. You feel me, JL?
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Fabulousity posted:A friend tried to get me into Dr. Who with Eccelson (sp?) and it just wasn't rubbing my rhubarb no matter how fun his blonde buddy was. He was just endlessly goofy and treating everything as such a loving lark until the episode where he came face to face with a Dalek and he started frothing at the mouth screaming murder and could barely be contained. That got me interested for about 15 minutes then he was goofy again. I've only seen a few other scattered episodes: The one with Tenant loving over the vampires was pretty good. The one with sweary-dude riding a tank and playing rock songs was kinda cute too. But overall Who is just too, I dunno, too British. Or, go with me here, you just not do a mystery-box arc because those almost always suck and instead annually write a season's worth of actual individual episodes with maybe a two-parter finale for a big adventure.
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Doctor Who is at its best when it’s in black and white hth.
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 Teriyaki Hairpiece posted:Only Andromeda and ALF I had to place the pic on top so Sorbo looks disappointedly at your post.
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Neddy Seagoon posted:And yet they still managed to be right on the money with Picard's fundamental problems. If I didn't watch any of Picard their post would be a turn off from the show. He is somewhat right but his so wrong in details that it makes his whole post irrelevant. The amount of stretching you need to do to tie his post with reality is lot less than amount of stretching you need to accept Picard into ST universe. I mean hes more wrong than 'Picard the show' is wrong in universe
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Was it Brent Spiner who pointed out that while Star Trek talks a lot about it being an intellectual show about people who have no more need for war, everybody shoots laser guns all the time? There was the comment earlier that TOS and TNG "unironically posited that we can get our poo poo together and rise above racism, sexism, war, and greed." Maybe early TNG did, but early TNG was also a pretty terrible show. TOS didn't. In TOS, the only thing that keeps the Federation from going to war with the Klingons are omnipotent superbeings that slap them on the hand when they try. On the episode where the Romulans show up, when they realize the Romulans look the same as the Vulcans, there's this bridge officer who spends the entire episode saying that he knew Spock was a Tomulan spy all along, because you can't trust those green blooded, pointy eared Vulcans. TOS gave Haecourt Mudd, who's introduced addicting young women to drugs and then selling them to miners who need wives. The big change has less to do with tone and more with serialization. TOS and TNG, were faster paced. They only had less than an hour to tell a story and rhat meant that any problems they faced, including social problems, had to be fixed in that time period. Discovery and Picard are season or series long arcs telling a single story, which means that episodes are, out of necessity, incomplete.
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But even in TOS, bad guys are usually shown as “bad apples” who are seen through and brought to justice by the crew. That’s not “dark and gritty” and showing we can’t rise above, it’s cartoony and optimistic. There’s never, like, institutional corruption or hopelessness of ever beating evil. In that episode with the Spock space-racism, the crewman learns his lesson, and the Romulan doesn’t want to fight. Even in dire straits when phasers are used, there are lines like “Dead? But I only had it on stun!” so that you know that lasering a sentient being to death is really considered a no-no even for action hero Kirk
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Great point! Star Trek doesn’t depict a utopian, optimistic future. It’s basically Robocop when you think about it
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Delthalaz posted:Great point! Star Trek doesn’t depict a utopian, optimistic future. It’s basically Robocop when you think about it Maybe there's some middle ground somewhere between utopia and Robocop. And Stiles's racism is solved by the end of the episode because it's a standalone episode, so everything has to be resolved at the end of the episode. I'd assume in modern serialized Star Trek, Stiles would gradually, over the course of the season, learn that racism is wrong, and change accordingly. And in Picard, Picard and his crew aren't being portrayed as bloodthirsty racists either. They're clearly on the side of good. If anything, the show is very black and white so far. It's very clear who the good and bad guys are supposed to be.
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Fabulousity posted:A friend tried to get me into Dr. Who with Eccelson (sp?) and it just wasn't rubbing my rhubarb no matter how fun his blonde buddy was. He was just endlessly goofy and treating everything as such a loving lark until the episode where he came face to face with a Dalek and he started frothing at the mouth screaming murder and could barely be contained. That got me interested for about 15 minutes then he was goofy again. this kind of bled over to tennant who also mugged it up, although that was largely his shtick until things like broadchurch etc. then his serious bits started to get really good feedback so they leant on it more matt smith took the interesting approach of acting completely earnest even about ridiculous things, and then capaldi kind of did the same but better i havent seen much jodie whittaker but from what i understand she's slipped back into tennant / ecclestone mugging ultimately though the problem is the writing which can run all the way from blink to love and monsters, and ruins even the best performances. think how good the doctor meeting sarah jane again should have been if it was written and overseen by a competent human being AntherUslessPoster posted:He is somewhat right but his so wrong in details that it makes his whole post irrelevant.
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Bobby Deluxe posted:my dude you have now written more words vagueposting about not wanting to correct me than you would have just correcting me k Bobby Deluxe posted:also the amount of times they implied that the federation did not have the money to evacuate and resettle the romulans its like they are a post resource economy you stupid loving cunts aagh i hate picard i really loving hate it Implied* that federation has, but can use the resources elsewhere so it doesnt allocate resources to help old enemy Post scarcity is not post resource Its vague enough to show the uninitiated viewers the reasons and whats happening but not vague enough for trekkies who can tie Picard's personality with what's happening on screen, why he does this or that Cool elf with sword in a universe where fencing is a cool pastime, where klingons have ceremonial and actual weapons of all types of blades and only 2 types of energy disruptors, where even logical vulcans have lirpas. Secretive race of secretive people we barely know anything about has people who are practicing 'Absolute candor' as a way of life, whats wrong with that? That they are nuns? lmao
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AntherUslessPoster posted:k Good loving lord; "Honorbound swordsman with a katana" is about as dead a horse as you can flog for a writing cliche for a character, and the writers were lazy enough to make zero effort to disguise it. "Secret society of super-fighter warrior-monks" is a close second. If they had any decent chops, they would've also known better not to dress up Picard in a sunhat and suit to go visit an analogue for one of the British Colonies, with a bundle of gifts and trinkets from  . There is a loooot to unpack there and none of it good.Klingons as a whole draw heavily from feudal Japanese society, but the writers pulled from all aspects of it as general reference to create their own recognizable culture rather than duplicating the source inspiration wholesale. Neddy Seagoon fucked around with this message at 15:28 on Feb 18, 2020 |
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