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silvergoose posted:wait what bridges were you supposedly burning "Don't tell people why you're leaving."
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Had a phone technical interview recently and I solved the coding question in less than 10 minutes. Only used half an hour total of the 1 hour allotted time including my questions and was immediately passed on to the final in person interview. Hope that goes just as well but feels pretty good to actually destroy an interview question. Last place I talked to on the phone asked for some links to my current work and then turned me down for another interview lol
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Feb 19, 2020 03:42
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"rare stallion" company turned me down, guess I'm not so rare after all
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Feb 19, 2020 03:53
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That's why you get the stud fee up front
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Feb 19, 2020 04:28
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interview poo poo is wack as gently caress I think I’ve determined. im 100% sure that your actual skill doesn’t really matter only that you hit some certain threshold (which is way lower than you would think) and it’s really about the friends you made along the way (hopefully you made some that are achievers)
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Feb 19, 2020 04:55
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I got my current job with no in or recruiter off a job posting from indeed, but I'm also a cishet white dude; ymmv
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Feb 19, 2020 05:02
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I wish I'd been told to make up a realistic sounding first experience and be eloquent instead of all the goddamn bullshit.
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Feb 19, 2020 08:54
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barkbell posted:interview poo poo is wack as gently caress I think I’ve determined. im 100% sure that your actual skill doesn’t really matter only that you hit some certain threshold (which is way lower than you would think) and it’s really about the friends you made along the way (hopefully you made some that are achievers) It's super random, the people doing the interview might be dipshits, the job posting might not reflect what they say they want, what they say they want might not actually be what they want, and no one involved in the process knows how to measure any of the things they think they want to measure.
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Feb 19, 2020 13:14
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actually this might be the perfect thread to ask from the other side if I'm interviewing more experienced (like 30 years to my dozen) people for an architect position and I've got half an hour I can't really do a complicated coding question in that time and those are poo poo anyway what kinds of things would y'all ask? or on the flip side, what kinds of questions would let you properly show how awesome you are? silvergoose fucked around with this message at 13:23 on Feb 19, 2020 |
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Feb 19, 2020 13:20
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I listened to a podcast the other day about noted rear end in a top hat sc justice Scalia giving a talk at a second tier law college. Someone asked him what they needed to do to succeed beyond just good grades, he was like " I would never hire you, I only hire from the best colleges, not because they are good but because they are hard to get into, and you didn't manage it. " Then he continues without missing a beat " let me tell you about the best clerk I ever had. he wasn't actually my clerk, I was borrowing him from a colleague, I would never have hired him because he went to [another tier 2 college] " (everyone laughs ???) " But he was really good, so you know what if you work hard you could be to (I still won't hire you though) ". Scalia was an rear end in a top hat but not an idiot, hes probably smarter than whoever is trying to hire you, so I try not to feel bad when I get rejected because it's likely as not completely arbitrary
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Feb 19, 2020 13:21
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Jim Silly-Balls posted:went and made a pitch today to sell the company I started. I feel like I whiffed it a little because I got a little too in the weeds for the venue (ceo and VP). I had just been talking to the operations Director who is much closer to things and was easier to talk shop with. had exactly the reverse experience pitching my company the other week, i came in expecting to have to explain stuff in a very basic way, but they blindsided me by immediately laying out their internal effort to build something very similar to what i offered (the link being that the thing i'm offering is a pretty radical improvement on something i built five years ago, and the company i met with have ended up owning that version through an acquisition). the end result being that they are trying to hire me onto their project instead, so i am in a bit of a bind since that was not my plan at all.
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Feb 19, 2020 13:55
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pointsofdata posted:It's super random, the people doing the interview might be dipshits, the job posting might not reflect what they say they want, what they say they want might not actually be what they want, and no one involved in the process knows how to measure any of the things they think they want to measure.
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Feb 19, 2020 14:00
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silvergoose posted:actually this might be the perfect thread to ask from the other side If you're interviewing someone who knows more than you do and their job is ostensibly going to be to explain poo poo to you and the rest of folks, find questions that looks into how they like explaining things. Pick a thing you know something about and something you know little about, and see what they can explain to you. I haven't tried it often, but it has saved me and my employer at the time when we hired an expert into some specific tech and it turns out the guy hated having to answer simple questions and just wanted to be left alone to do his thing, never understood that we were checking for how he explained things despite us saying we knew nothing of the topic at hand (we knew a little but not much), and eventually stormed off the interview and sent insult emails to the recruiters after the fact for having lost his time.
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Feb 19, 2020 14:15
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that does sound like a good technique for dodging some major bullets yeah
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Feb 19, 2020 14:20
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MononcQc posted:If you're interviewing someone who knows more than you do and their job is ostensibly going to be to explain poo poo to you and the rest of folks, find questions that looks into how they like explaining things. Pick a thing you know something about and something you know little about, and see what they can explain to you. I haven't tried it often, but it has saved me and my employer at the time when we hired an expert into some specific tech and it turns out the guy hated having to answer simple questions and just wanted to be left alone to do his thing, never understood that we were checking for how he explained things despite us saying we knew nothing of the topic at hand (we knew a little but not much), and eventually stormed off the interview and sent insult emails to the recruiters after the fact for having lost his time. Cool, kinda what I am doing but that breaks it down into really concrete terms, thanks!
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Feb 19, 2020 15:53
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Next time I do a live coding exercise in an interview, I'm going to do it like I do my everyday job; that is, I'm gonna spend an hour reading Twitter and shitposting, leave to take a poo poo, and come back with just enough time to go, "Where was I?"
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Feb 19, 2020 16:09
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i recommend everybody do whiteboard interviews in Python because it has functions in the stdlib that make most solutions one-liners
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Feb 19, 2020 20:06
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Corla Plankun posted:i recommend everybody do whiteboard interviews in Python because it has functions in the stdlib that make most solutions one-liners if you want to play golf go into sales
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Feb 19, 2020 20:39
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more generally it maps pretty cleanly onto the kind of dog and pony tricks they want to see/test in the interview.
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Feb 19, 2020 21:49
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Corla Plankun posted:i recommend everybody do whiteboard interviews in Python because it has functions in the stdlib that make most solutions one-liners The time I did this for a non-Python shop I solved the problem in like fifteen minutes, ten of it asking questions to clarify the problem, and the interviewer just grumpily said "Well you got a working solution but I don't know Python". Still better than the time a C# place encouraged me to apply even after I told them I had never used and didn't know C#, because they "look for talent and attitude, not specific language skills". They bounced me and when I asked for feedback they said the solution and code structure was good but it would have been simpler to use some Linq feature I'd never heard of so it wasn't good enough. Ah, interviewing.
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Feb 20, 2020 08:06
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Chopstick Dystopia posted:Still better than the time a C# place encouraged me to apply even after I told them I had never used and didn't know C#, because they "look for talent and attitude, not specific language skills". They bounced me and when I asked for feedback they said the solution and code structure was good but it would have been simpler to use some Linq feature I'd never heard of so it wasn't good enough. so they had a whole programming assignment centered around 'heh, bet they dont know about this feature'
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Feb 20, 2020 08:39
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Chopstick Dystopia posted:The time I did this for a non-Python shop I solved the problem in like fifteen minutes, ten of it asking questions to clarify the problem, and the interviewer just grumpily said "Well you got a working solution but I don't know Python". Lmao I fukken hate nerds and I hate tech now Depending on touching computers for my livelihood makes me want to be dead
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Feb 20, 2020 10:00
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nerds love to hoard trivia and lord it over everyone else saying "i don't know" is a weakness to them
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Feb 20, 2020 15:33
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It's because saying it gets you slimed, OP
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Feb 20, 2020 15:41
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CPColin posted:It's because saying it gets you slimed, OP
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Feb 20, 2020 16:00
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carry on then posted:nerds love to hoard trivia and lord it over everyone else suddenly the "aes sedai hoard personal tricks" plot from wheel of time makes perfect sense
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Feb 20, 2020 17:06
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starting feeler interviews to get back into the swing again first place that called pays 50% more than I currently make lol
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Feb 20, 2020 21:56
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Good thread
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Feb 21, 2020 09:32
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One place I interviewed for I was extremely clear right from the start that I didn't have java industry experience, and yeah they were also like "doesn't matter, a programmer is a programmer, we want someone who has good general engineering ability". I ended up getting to the on site and got rejected, the feedback was "the team really enjoyed meeting you and hearing about your successes in your current role, but that they are looking for someone with more java experience". Thanks for wasting my time I guess?
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Feb 21, 2020 09:59
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qhat posted:One place I interviewed for I was extremely clear right from the start that I didn't have java industry experience, and yeah they were also like "doesn't matter, a programmer is a programmer, we want someone who has good general engineering ability". I ended up getting to the on site and got rejected, the feedback was "the team really enjoyed meeting you and hearing about your successes in your current role, but that they are looking for someone with more java experience". Thanks for wasting my time I guess? you can do very well in assuming recruiters speak the truth about the address of the company, sometimes the name of the company, and the time you have to show up for the interview, and maybe the dress code. thats it
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Feb 21, 2020 17:19
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bob dobbs is dead posted:you can do very well in assuming recruiters speak the truth about the address of the company, sometimes the name of the company, and the time you have to show up for the interview, and maybe the dress code. thats it That was the hiring manager who said that to me, in person over a coffee
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Feb 21, 2020 17:23
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qhat posted:That was the hiring manager who said that to me, in person over a coffee Turns out they're not really particularly competent either
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Feb 21, 2020 17:30
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well after the last batch of interviews went south during the last round for totally asinine reasons it looks like the next wave is coming in. * first is with one of the competitors that turned me down because i didn't know spring batch when i was interviewing for a sales engineer role for a nosql company. this position is for a 'technical product marketing manager' role which tbh sounds kind of interesting and could be a pretty lucrative/high-profile gig considering that the company is hitting liftoff velocity. * second is with a local consulting company that needs someone with my very specific skill set. they just sent me an introductory email saying that the first automated screening would be coming shortly- and that i'd need a webcam to take it. lol nope. nooooope * third is with one of our customers who's right down the road for me and whom i'm personally friends with many people on the inside. my friend who's submitting my resume works directly for the cto so that could be a pretty good gig too * forth is with one of my ex-customers who wants me to be a product owner of sorts where i would start in an individual role and bring additional resources in as my product/project grows. it wouldn't specifically be in my specialty though and they reached out to me just because they liked my gumption while i was there. also very interesting let's see what happens! all four of these are extremely different roles so this is gonna be interesting
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Feb 21, 2020 17:38
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getting pretty loving tired of genuflecting before executives 
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Feb 21, 2020 18:16
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on your first day of work you should always fight the biggest exec you can find. show them you aren’t a pussy.
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Feb 21, 2020 18:18
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I think I've almost reached silver status on star alliance thanks to accepting random interviews and making it to onsites. That's the only good thing about interviewing I think.
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Feb 21, 2020 19:00
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Acer Pilot posted:I think I've almost reached silver status on star alliance thanks to accepting random interviews and making it to onsites. That's the only good thing about interviewing I think. lol united
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Feb 21, 2020 19:11
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hobbesmaster posted:lol united at least you're good until they smash your head into an armrest and drag you off the plane by your feet srs question though - is there a non-poo poo airline at this point?
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Feb 21, 2020 19:35
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delta and American are miles ahead of united if we’re talking big US domestic airlines
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Feb 21, 2020 19:36
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Alaska is ok but their hq is where I live so there's lots of decent flights. ymmv
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