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DrVenkman posted:Yeah, though I don't think it's anything definitive, it was supposedly noted that his brain was like that of a dementia sufferer (William Regal tells a story of Benoit inviting him over to watch Japanese wrestling tapes, only to angrily insist he did no such thing when Regal showed up the next day). I don't know how the CTE could have happened though, according to WWE no one by that name ever wrestled for them.
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Skwirl posted:I don't know, it absolutely doesn't excuse what they did, but I think we need to seriously look into how CTE affected Chris Benoit and Aaron Hernandez and have a discussion about it as a society. It was an open secret among other wrestlers that Benoit was a paranoid-delusional maniac who hit his wife, but this didn't stop him from being one of the most respected workers backstage (because, as you might guess of a CTE sufferer, he worked a stiff style every night even if he was the opening act). Nothing was done, and within about a year of his death the three biggest main eventers were doing his finisher as a mid-match tribute spot. Later Daniel Bryan started doing his flying headbutt, and coincidentally is still working after being told he has too many concussions to still be working. The uneducated think wrestling is stupid. Fans know that's not true; it's really stupid.
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Lovely Joe Stalin posted:Bad as the press are, I'd put the blame for that closer to the throne personally. Ehh, the press literally hounded her husbands mother to death.
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I kind of want Meghan and Harry to take a few years, completely reinvent themselves in Canada and come back on vacation one year with Meghan managing an Ikea branch and Harry doing tech support for an insurance company. And they are just generally doing really well emotionally.
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Metoo developed in response to the total failure of the US justice system in actually addressing harassment and assault. It purposefully exists outside of the court system because the courts cannot and will not deliver any sort of justice or change, and ultimately claiming "witch hunt!" or "trail of public opinion!" in the context of holding people socially responsible for their actions is not valid. The correct response here is to take this new information regarding Depp/Heard and instead hold Heard accountable. Posters condemn this as "rushing to judgement" or "blanket condemnation" but no matter how much you don't like it, the alternative is allowing abusers to treat the abused like poo poo. That still largely is the status quo, and was even worse before.
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I'm starting to get a little surprised some kind of gung ho bounty hunter from the US hasn't just arrested Roman Polanski and flown him back. Maybe like Duane "Dog" Chapman.Skwirl posted:I don't know, it absolutely doesn't excuse what they did, but I think we need to seriously look into how CTE affected Chris Benoit and Aaron Hernandez and have a discussion about it as a society. In a sane world the NFL would be shut down. But considering the trillions of dollars in future lost revenue it'll never happen until the fall of this iteration of modern empires takes place. Phi230 posted:Metoo developed in response to the total failure of the US justice system in actually addressing harassment and assault. It purposefully exists outside of the court system because the courts cannot and will not deliver any sort of justice or change... It's really astounding. Right now I could post another ~30 articles with new content concerning a bunch of nasty stuff not even mentioned ITT yet concerning Epstein/Weinstein and their associates. The deeper you dig the worse it gets. Harvey Weinstein is finished. Another Oscars goes by with nary a mention of his name. I still have hopes that Armond White and Jack Black cohost the Oscars and Jack Black runs around with a cheddar goblin puppet (with unlimited cheddar) to use on the winners if they take too long during the acceptance speeches.
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Zogo posted:I'm starting to get a little surprised some kind of gung ho bounty hunter from the US hasn't just arrested Roman Polanski and flown him back. Maybe like Duane "Dog" Chapman. I have to imagine it's pretty hard for a foreigner with no French government contacts to kidnap a French national and get them on an international flight. Especially one who is significantly richer and is probably on some French government list of people they should keep track of.
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Skwirl posted:I have to imagine it's pretty hard for a foreigner with no French government contacts to kidnap a French national and get them on an international flight. Especially one who is significantly richer and is probably on some French government list of people they should keep track of. Yeah, it wouldn't be an easy straightforward process. I was thinking back to when the Dog guy located Andrew Luster (a Max Factor heir) who was hiding in Mexico. He had been drugging and raping women: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2003/jun/20/usa.mexico
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Phi230 posted:Metoo developed in response to the total failure of the US justice system in actually addressing harassment and assault. It purposefully exists outside of the court system because the courts cannot and will not deliver any sort of justice or change, and ultimately claiming "witch hunt!" or "trail of public opinion!" in the context of holding people socially responsible for their actions is not valid. The correct response here is to take this new information regarding Depp/Heard and instead hold Heard accountable. not incorrect, but it's worth noting that #metoo was an international movement for women of every social class that hollywood latched onto an made about making it safe for women at the top of the social ladder in america it's as american as rock and roll is white: it sure as hell is now, and that doesn't make it a bad thing in itself, but maybe it shouldn't have been taken over by rich white people Hodgepodge fucked around with this message at 00:17 on Feb 20, 2020 |
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Skwirl posted:I have to imagine it's pretty hard for a foreigner with no French government contacts to kidnap a French national and get them on an international flight. Especially one who is significantly richer and is probably on some French government list of people they should keep track of. I would say if you really want him, get the Russians or Mossad involved.* *Not responsible for damage during shipping & handling
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Anybody with the resources to be an international pedophile hunter is more likely to be an international pedophile.
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Sodomy Hussein posted:I would say if you really want him, get the Russians or Mossad involved.* Mossad ain't gonna help you illegally extradite a holocaust survivor.
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Skwirl posted:Mossad ain't gonna help you illegally extradite a holocaust survivor. What if he was not in favor of apartheid tho
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DrVenkman posted:Yeah, though I don't think it's anything definitive, it was supposedly noted that his brain was like that of a dementia sufferer (William Regal tells a story of Benoit inviting him over to watch Japanese wrestling tapes, only to angrily insist he did no such thing when Regal showed up the next day). Someone told a story over in Rowdy Ringsports of a time Benoit missed some mark and nearly kicked someone in the face, and did 300 squat thrusts as penance. He was known as an insane worker, even as a young man. That's kind of the thing when people are that...extreme. It's harder to recognise abnormal behaviour when they're already such a strange person. Trump leaps to mind, too. He's been such a manic bullshit artist for so long, what would dementia even look like for him? Him and the truth already had a pretty shaky relationship. And more to the point: as indicated in this thread, he was not a healthy person. He had serious issues, but he had issues that made him incredibly valuable. It's like how we love Mike Tyson for being a finely tuned killing machine, then all tut when he bites someone's ear, just like a finely tuned killing machine would.
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I feel like the reason no successful bounty hunter has kidnapped someone like Polanski has to do with the fact that most bounty hunters are gigantic pieces of poo poo and there is not, as far as I know, an actual bounty for Polanski's arrest
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https://twitter.com/keybarrettmsc/status/1229430638001950721?s=21 https://twitter.com/latimesent/status/1229822205518737408?s=21 https://twitter.com/cbsla/status/1230309958400512000?s=21 Not sure how appropriate this is but half the town seems to know her
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Coffee And Pie posted:And of course Wendy Williams has to make a “come on down” joke Would anyone cry if she was murdered? I think not.
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BioEnchanted posted:I kind of want Meghan and Harry to take a few years, completely reinvent themselves in Canada and come back on vacation one year with Meghan managing an Ikea branch and Harry doing tech support for an insurance company. And they are just generally doing really well emotionally. It would be better if they came back as raging, radical republicans, imho. But then again, I think that about everyone.
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Snowman_McK posted:And more to the point: as indicated in this thread, he was not a healthy person. He had serious issues, but he had issues that made him incredibly valuable. It's like how we love Mike Tyson for being a finely tuned killing machine, then all tut when he bites someone's ear, just like a finely tuned killing machine would. I've always found it extremely weird how Tyson being a violent rapist just kind of went away in the American psyche.
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Lovely Joe Stalin posted:I've always found it extremely weird how Tyson being a violent rapist just kind of went away in the American psyche. he was funny and self-deprecating in the hangover so he's good now
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Lovely Joe Stalin posted:I've always found it extremely weird how Tyson being a violent rapist just kind of went away in the American psyche. Look how mad people got when anyone mentioned Kobe was a rapist.
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I think Tyson's a little different than a lot of these because he's been quite open about it and how wrong he was for it. He's also one of the few people that's actually gone to prison, done their time and come out wanting to be a different person.
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it helps that it happened outside of the cancelsphere. I mean yeah he was all over the late night circuit but it's not like this generation watches that anyway hell OJ is practically a meme again
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Tyson has a very marketable life story in terms of how the "Only in America" and "Rags to riches to rags to renaissance" aspects of it write themselves. I will say Mike Tyson: Undisputed Truth is an interesting stage show. I fully expect an up and coming actor to try for an Oscar playing Tyson one day soon.
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RevKrule posted:I think Tyson's a little different than a lot of these because he's been quite open about it and how wrong he was for it. He's also one of the few people that's actually gone to prison, done their time and come out wanting to be a different person. Yeah, I mean unlike 99% of these guys he actually suffered consequences and has taken steps to actually rehabilitate himself.
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Didn't he lose like, every dollar and piece of property he had as well? He definitely got punished.
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Samovar posted:It would be better if they came back as raging, radical republicans, imho. But then again, I think that about everyone. That took my a second because I keep forgetting "Republican" means something completely different when talking about Brits or the Irish.
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Rhyno posted:Didn't he lose like, every dollar and piece of property he had as well? He definitely got punished. Don King robbed him blind, for starters.
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Sodomy Hussein posted:Don King robbed him blind, for starters. Oh yeah, totally forgot about that poo poo. I think Mike is probably the only guy ever mentioned in this thread that actually did the time and put in the effort to make amends.
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He also suffered a tragedy with his daughter dying. But yeah, I think Tyson's just a bit of a unique case because he saw justice, suffered consequences, and is sympathetic in a lot of ways. Its a question of whether you believe in rehabilitation and that someone can change and become better. Granted, he bit a dude's ear off AFTER prison. But he's a complicated dude. He's also diagnosed bipolar and probably suffered brain damage in his career. STAC Goat fucked around with this message at 19:46 on Feb 20, 2020 |
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Evander did forgive him for that as well. Hell they shot a commercial joking about it fairly recently.
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The list of guys that suffered consequences for stuff like this is incredibly short, there's like, Mike Tyson, Michael Vick and not many more. Richard Spector, I guess.
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Rhyno posted:Vick showed zero remorse. the numerous animal charities he's worked with even after his court-ordered rehabilitation might argue with you a little bit
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Vick has showed remorse but of course it's that rich guy trying to not completely tank his image kind of remorse. So it's always like "I'm sorry that I took so long to overcome my upbringing and realize that what I did was wrong", where he's deflecting blame. And he never has really owned up to the specific acts, like he never sat for an interview where he allowed a reporter to ask him why he thought it was ok to drown and torture dogs. At first it was the usual excuse that the legal case prevented him from taking about details, and then after that he immediately jumped to "that's in the past and I don't want to go through the details, but I'm sorry for what I did". Still, it's a lot better than many others have done in similar situations.
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