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Galaga Galaxian posted:Yes, IIRC its core is basically a unicorn horn inscribed with an elaborate treatise written by The Holy Church that can be summed up as "Reincarnation is Bullshit and here is Why". Its an absolute rejection of the concept of Reincarnation/Immortality. just to make sure i'm understanding this correctly: ordinarily, reincarnation exists in the nasuverse (broadly speaking), but if you get the poo poo stabbed out of you with an essay on why that's stupid, you can't reincarnate. that loving owns 
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Feb 18, 2020 07:11
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Well she got it for a guy who can control his own reincarnation (and was previously reincarnated as her), so it may not destroy your reincarnation outright but the idea is it'll stop that at least. The materiality of souls is something of an open question in Nasu
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Feb 18, 2020 07:13
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When youre born in the nasuverse your soul comes from a specific concept wrapped up in the swirl of creation. In a way everyone is a conceptual being.
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Feb 18, 2020 07:18
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Conceptual Weapons are crazy poo poo and its even better when they interact. Gaé Bolg is a demonic spear that reverses causality. The thrust spear strikes you because it has already pierced your heart. Fragarach is a divine sword that cannot unleash its true power until the enemy attacks first, it then reverses time and strikes down the enemy before they can launch their attack. What happens when the two weapons are used against eachother? Awesome/Stupid Nasu Bullshit. Galaga Galaxian fucked around with this message at 07:25 on Feb 18, 2020 |
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LORD OF BOOTY posted:just to make sure i'm understanding this correctly: Reincarnation does not, in fact, ordinarily exist in the nasuverse. Powerful beings and some mages are able to achieve it, or at least something similar, but the rule is that the metaphysical fabric of the world unravels the souls of the deceased - even ghosts aren't actual disembodied spirits, but more like psychic echoes destined to eventually fade out. The Church's sacred scriptures are a form of thaumaturgy, and it makes perfect sense to use magic to disrupt whatever mechanism is allowing a being to reconstitute itself in contravention to the laws of the world.
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Feb 18, 2020 07:29
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Rho aias vs gae bolg anti personal would have been a very interesting sight to behold (the conclusion would be foregone of course barring extreme edgecases like emiya being summoned as a caster)
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Feb 18, 2020 07:31
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AlternateNu posted:Sorry. But Seihai Grand Prix (in Fuyuki) is the best CF episode. It's canon, and it's the best grail war.
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Feb 18, 2020 08:57
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Stairmaster posted:When youre born in the nasuverse your soul comes from a specific concept wrapped up in the swirl of creation. In a way everyone is a conceptual being. And of course, you can weaponize your own concept or utilize it as a force to warp the material world around you. 
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Feb 18, 2020 17:15
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AlternateNu posted:And of course, you can weaponize your own concept or utilize it as a force to warp the material world around you. Also, don't forget that long term exposure to powerful magical crap can also alter your concept from what it started out as into something completely different.
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Feb 18, 2020 18:27
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LORD OF BOOTY posted:unrelated note, but is Oath Under Snow worth checking out if Prisma Illya otherwise makes me instinctively recoil?
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https://twitter.com/GrandOrderBot/status/1229819570762002433 acpi also wrote the melty manga that actually adapted the game, and they seem to generally trust them to handle melty related stuff. doesnt confirm anything but still, its interesting
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Endorph posted:Oath under snow is okay but its mostly 'what if someone who thinks mind of steel is badass rewrote hf.' Its an okay action thing but dont expect any characterization from it It's not Mind of Steel. Shirou literally opposes the character who's trying to be mind of Steel. He's a Shirou raised by the Magus Killer and found it wanting. Though I would recommend reading the manga arc it's adapting before watching the movie.oh Oh god. Ive become one of those fans. Kill me
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Feb 19, 2020 05:12
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If you just want some Shirou action flick it's not bad to watch without context.
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Feb 19, 2020 14:28
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Rody One Half posted:Well she got it for a guy who can control his own reincarnation (and was previously reincarnated as her), so it may not destroy your reincarnation outright but the idea is it'll stop that at least. Isn't the whole 3rd magic thing supposed to be about making the soul into something material that you can interact with? Like move them around to revive people and stuff.
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Feb 19, 2020 20:18
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Iirc the end goal of the third magic is that you turn your soul into a semi-physical vessel that can exist on its own outside of a body, which basically turns you into an immortal godling with near-infinite magical energy at your command for reasons, but the one time illya used it was in an extremely limited form that only worked for just long enough to keep shirou's soul from evaporating.
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Feb 19, 2020 21:11
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I got the impression that the near-infinite energy was more of a side effect.
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Feb 19, 2020 21:39
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IIRC somewhere I don't recall points out the world inside the moon cell is an application of third magic (not longer considered a true magic, at that) in that it's a world where a naked soul can exist without being attached to a mind or body. Extella (or its side materials?) mention that when Hakuno split itself into Mind, Body and Soul only Soul would be able to keep existing if they didn't merge. A perfectly third magic'd soul is supposedly classified as a perpetual motion device, my guess is because it can use its own essence as fuel without depleting itself.
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Feb 19, 2020 21:40
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(KnK spoilers! Do not read if you haven't watched the movies/read the novels!) Didn't Touko more or less achieve 3rd magic in spirit, if not in letter already? I mean, doesn't Cornelius freak the gently caress out at the thought that Touko has become effectively immortal and that she cannot be killed by any conventional means or that individuality is kinda like "meh" to her? Can even Ryougi themselves even kill her?
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Feb 19, 2020 21:51
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Hmm, can I read the spoilers if I watched KnK 10 years ago and don't remember any of it except that Ryougi Shiki is cool
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Feb 20, 2020 00:08
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nrook posted:Hmm, can I read the spoilers if I watched KnK 10 years ago and don't remember any of it except that Ryougi Shiki is cool In other news, Fate/Hollow Ataraxia has been a fun romp so far!
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Wark Say posted:(KnK spoilers! Do not read if you haven't watched the movies/read the novels!) Didn't Touko more or less achieve 3rd magic in spirit, if not in letter already? I mean, doesn't Cornelius freak the gently caress out at the thought that Touko has become effectively immortal and that she cannot be killed by any conventional means or that individuality is kinda like "meh" to her? Can even Ryougi themselves even kill her? Is that from her ability to perfectly clone herself through her dolls? I’ve watched the movies a bunch of times but if that’s the reason Cornelius is freaking out, that’s pretty baller.
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Feb 20, 2020 04:39
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My understanding is that she's not transferring her soul around, she's just making perfect copies with all of her memories (updated remotely) and doesn't care if she herself actually dies. Like, the copies will live on with her memories but the continuity of consciousness that is a person is still dead. So it's not the 3rd magic at all, in any sense that might matter to a mage.
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AlternateNu posted:Is that from her ability to perfectly clone herself through her dolls? I’ve watched the movies a bunch of times but if that’s the reason Cornelius is freaking out, that’s pretty baller. Clarste posted:My understanding is that she's not transferring her soul around, she's just making perfect copies with all of her memories (updated remotely) and doesn't care if she herself actually dies. Like, the copies will live on with her memories but the continuity of consciousness that is a person is still dead. So it's not the 3rd magic at all, in any sense that might matter to a mage.  Well if the magus is content with the end-result, more power to 'em.
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Wark Say posted:(KnK spoilers! Do not read if you haven't watched the movies/read the novels!) Didn't Touko more or less achieve 3rd magic in spirit, if not in letter already? I mean, doesn't Cornelius freak the gently caress out at the thought that Touko has become effectively immortal and that she cannot be killed by any conventional means or that individuality is kinda like "meh" to her? Can even Ryougi themselves even kill her? Touko is functionally immortal sure but that's not the actual point of the third magic.
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You know, I guess with yours and Clarste's explanations, plus the fact of what constitutes the 3rd Magic, while it wouldn't qualify, it does sorta make that one scene way more understandable, especially for a "traditional" magus.
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Transferring consciousness between bodies is something magi have accomplished, some even fairly successfully, but there's always an accompanying degradation of the soul in the process regardless of method. This is common sense among magi. Touko has completely overturned this by creating perfectly identical copies of herself, who carry on her consciousness with only the loss of the last few hours worth of memories. Its implied they're not even programmed to activate in the classical sense, rather, if she dies the closest one awakens because clearly Aozaki Touko is still alive - there's one right here! Her method has turned her into a Mystery all of her own.
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It's really crazy when you realize that Touko's pulling all this nonsense without access to her family's Magic Crest. So this is all just her work,.
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Dr Pepper posted:It's really crazy when you realize that Touko's pulling all this nonsense without access to her family's Magic Crest. So this is all just her work,.  In Mahou, she captures all the bad mages, and lock them in a comfortable place with nice amenities that some prefers to stay there forever. She have access to all their family crest powers. She is very ethical.
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Feb 20, 2020 20:06
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Touko cares naught for the traditional magus lifestyle. The climax of Case Files 3 just being everybody getting increasingly fed up with her bullshit (like burning Siegfried's leaf) was amazing.
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Feb 20, 2020 20:49
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Kyte posted:If you just want some Shirou action flick it's not bad to watch without context. Sold. Any other one off Fate stuff I can watch/play without needing context or background in?
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Furnaceface posted:Sold. while i haven't watched Oath Under Snow yet, i can pretty much tell you right off the bat it's not actually stand-alone and you need to have at least some familiarity with FSN (and specifically Heaven's Feel) first. the whole reason i was interested in it is because, by all appearances, it's essentially a wonky alternate version of HF that goes about as pear-shaped as humanly possible for Shirou without outright killing him (and, in the process, he gets to turbo-murder a zombie version of the worst character). i was asking about watching it without the rest of Prisma Illya, since Prisma Illya is loving awful (it's a pedobait magical girl spinoff). there's basically three good starting points for Fate; you've got the VN (obviously), the DEEN anime (which is bad and you shouldn't watch it), and Zero. those are, to my knowledge, the only three parts of the franchise where you're not going to miss something big if you lack outside context; even if all the events logically track without you having any "wait, huh" moments, pretty much every other Fate thing builds on other Fate things thematically and you're gonna miss at least some of the point if you're not familiar. (starting with Zero is complicated, and while I'd suggest it as your starting point if you're very definitely not going to read the VN, if reading the VN is on the table at all you should do that first. the best way I can put it is, Zero spoils the living gently caress out of the VN version of Heaven's Feel, but doesn't spoil the HF movies, which just kind of assume you already know the relevant twists from either Zero or the VN.) e: as far as a general "what's the good Fate poo poo" lineup, this is the stuff I can personally rec, in a rough viewing order: - Fate/stay night VN - Fate/zero anime - Unlimited Blade Works anime (NOT the movie, the movie sucks) - Heaven's Feel movies - Lord El-Melloi II Case Files (watch anytime after Zero) - Today's Menu for Emiya Family (non-canon, no real spoilers, but you might want to hold it off until you're familiar with the FSN cast just because it's more fun if you know everybody) - Carnival Phantasm (non-canon, has spoilers for literally everything including non-Fate TM stuff, watch dead last and probably also read Tsukihime first) this is stuff other people seem to like, but i can't personally vouch for: - Fate/extra (PSP game, works fine on PPSSPP afaik) - Oath Under Snow (you probably wanna hold this off until after Heaven's Feel) - Fate Grand Order (alternate timeline phone game, from what I gather this has spoilers for the main FSN/Zero stuff scattered around so maybe hold it off) - Fate/strange fake (light novel series) this is That poo poo I Don't Like: - Fate/Kaleid Liner Prisma Illya, excluding Oath Under Snow (pedobait bullshit, avoid like it's emitting loving cherenkov radiation) - Fate/apocrypha (pretty and dumb in equal measure, and also has several extremely unfortunate character designs) - Fate/extra Last Encore (what the gently caress) WeedlordGoku69 fucked around with this message at 07:50 on Feb 22, 2020 |
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i started with five eps of the deen anime and it didn't seem bad because this was like a decade ago, then i spent years ignoring fate until i watched zero, and then apocrypha. i think watch order might be fake
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Ive tried to watch Zero a few times and it just never sticks.  VN I will eventually give a go, but it wont be any time soon. FGO seems to be pretty sufficient when it comes to getting a Fate fix.
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I will say this, as long as you basically know who everyone is in Zero and the broad strokes of what goes down, you can pretty much just jump to UBW if you're getting bored of it. Zero was hype as gently caress to watch weekly, but it's an absurdly draining binge, especially when you know how it ends. My fiancee and I started binging it as part of me trying to get her into TM, and we've been pretty much stuck at the season break for a little while now because it's just hard to find the motivation to watch a show that's kind of just horrible people being horrible to each other forever until the end of time.
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I watched Carnival Phantasm with Tsukihime being my only Type-Moon experience and with only the faintest notions of who the FSN cast was via cultural osmosis, and I say watch it first because it's great. You don't need to know who bone-of-my-sword guy and blue invisible-sword knight girl are to enjoy it. dogsicle posted:i think watch order might be fake
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Start with The Argonautica IMO.
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