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phasmid posted:People who torture animals don't usually just stop because they realized it was wrong. More likely he just understands that if he gets caught doing that again, he'll do time. Not to mention he had a HUGE financial incentive to make the apology tour a success. By doing it he managed to not only get back in the NFL, he ended up scoring another big contract worth tens of millions.
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Michael Vick served his time but he's on very thin ice. Very thin ice. Very very very thin ice. I have a chart.
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# ? Feb 20, 2020 21:21 |
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John Wick of Dogs posted:Michael Vick served his time but he's on very thin ice. John Wick will meet his match in John Wick 4: John Vick dude just hates dogs. The hitler of dogs really
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Rhyno posted:Would anyone cry if she was murdered? I think not. She is a truly awful person
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# ? Feb 20, 2020 22:29 |
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John Wick of Dogs posted:Michael Vick served his time but he's on very thin ice.
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Basebf555 posted:Not to mention he had a HUGE financial incentive to make the apology tour a success. By doing it he managed to not only get back in the NFL, he ended up scoring another big contract worth tens of millions. Plus I don't think he's ever admitted to the whole Ron Mexico poo poo which gave an 18 year old woman herpes and the world Deadspin.
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# ? Feb 21, 2020 06:24 |
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Rhyno posted:Yeah gently caress Michael Vick, in every interview about it he blames other people and is incredibly smug. OOOOOH HE DONATED MONEY well no poo poo he donated money the fuxking courts ordered him to. i grew up in the philly area and i think michael vick was my first real experience observing a mass of people all independently come to the conclusion that they must defend horrible monsters in service to football. i watched as people i loved and respected grew rabid and uncontrollable, defending a dog killer as if their lives depended on it because they liked how he threw the football. a couple years later, i watched it literally happen all over again with the penn state sandusky scandal lol football is a goddamn mental illness everything is okay and permitted if you are good at sports
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# ? Feb 21, 2020 11:48 |
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I'll say it until the day I die: EVERYONE involved with sport should be forced to make minmum wage. Spectator sport contributes NOTHING to society other than fostering division. It doesn't enrich you culturally, doesn't make you healthier, it does NOTHING. Working in construction is a far greater societal benefit. There used to be societies where scientists were as highly paid as athletes. I wish that happened again.
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# ? Feb 21, 2020 12:00 |
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God Hole posted:i grew up in the philly area and i think michael vick was my first real experience observing a mass of people all independently come to the conclusion that they must defend horrible monsters in service to football. i watched as people i loved and respected grew rabid and uncontrollable, defending a dog killer as if their lives depended on it because they liked how he threw the football. I ended a longtime friendship over Michael Vick and nearly lost a job over Penn State. gently caress all of those pieces pf poo poo. AceOfFlames posted:I'll say it until the day I die: EVERYONE involved with sport should be forced to make minmum wage. Spectator sport contributes NOTHING to society other than fostering division. It doesn't enrich you culturally, doesn't make you healthier, it does NOTHING. Working in construction is a far greater societal benefit. BUT FOOTBALL TEACHES US TO WORK TOGETHER or whatever bullshit people spew in defense of that fuckery.
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God Hole posted:everything is okay and permitted if you are good at sports Just two days ago an ex-footballer in Australia locked his estranged wife and three kids in a car, doused them in petrol and burned them all to death, then killed himself with a knife. A huge number of people (including the police!!) responded by saying "Well let's not rush to judge him, maybe she did something that pushed him beyond his limits?"
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# ? Feb 21, 2020 12:08 |
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God I fuckin hate the culture of NFL fandom.
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# ? Feb 21, 2020 12:11 |
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"should ray rice be allowed back in the nfl after knocking his girlfriend into last week and then nonchalantly dragging her unconscious body out of a casino elevator?" many many people i knew, unironically: well golly, he's sitting on my fantasy bench right now, and i'm real close to winning the $150 championship prize. maybe we could let him finish out the season and then decide?
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Football is a bloodsport, we shouldn't even be paying innocent people to play it.
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# ? Feb 21, 2020 12:37 |
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God Hole posted:"should ray rice be allowed back in the nfl after knocking his girlfriend into last week and then nonchalantly dragging her unconscious body out of a casino elevator?" I was hoping he'd get signed by the Colts because I wanted to see all the people speaking out that he should be banned for life back peddle and bend over backwards to excuse his behavior.
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Rhyno posted:I ended a longtime friendship over Michael Vick and nearly lost a job over Penn State. gently caress all of those pieces pf poo poo. They pretty much put together a social media policy at my last job since I made a bunch of drunken posts celebrating Joe Paterno's death and a someone complained about it.
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AceOfFlames posted:I'll say it until the day I die: EVERYONE involved with sport should be forced to make minmum wage. Spectator sport contributes NOTHING to society other than fostering division. It doesn't enrich you culturally, doesn't make you healthier, it does NOTHING. Working in construction is a far greater societal benefit. Is this some kind of post from reddit.com/r/sportfree ?
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# ? Feb 22, 2020 06:57 |
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I'm not going to defend Michael Vick or anything (through him in an oubliette for all I care), but rich athletes are probably the only rich people who come close to actually earning their own money, because they can do things other people are physically not capable of doing and a poo poo ton of people like watching them do it.
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Skwirl posted:I'm not going to defend Michael Vick or anything (through him in an oubliette for all I care), but rich athletes are probably the only rich people who come close to actually earning their own money, because they can do things other people are physically not capable of doing and a poo poo ton of people like watching them do it. What about authors? Or someone like Toby Fox who is a millionaire based off making a goofy indy game that took off?
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# ? Feb 22, 2020 07:32 |
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ImpAtom posted:What about authors? Or someone like Toby Fox who is a millionaire based off making a goofy indy game that took off? Athletes and Artists.
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ImpAtom posted:What about authors? Or someone like Toby Fox who is a millionaire based off making a goofy indy game that took off? I mean artists are probably in that same category of people who don't really do anything "worthwhile", if you're defining as value to society as scientists (???).
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mycot posted:I mean artists are probably in that same category of people who don't really do anything "worthwhile", if you're defining as value to society as scientists (???). I explicitly said that I consider artists to have worth, because art broadens your horizons and develops you as a person. Performing sports makes you healthy. What does WATCHING sports give you other than brainless entertainment? It's just as worthless as reality television.
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# ? Feb 22, 2020 12:51 |
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Can you guys go make another thread about whether artists, athletes, or people who appreciate them are the real subhuman undesirables
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# ? Feb 22, 2020 13:05 |
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Yeah like, the stuff about giving athletes a free pass on horrific crimes is relevant to the thread but the 'sports are pointless and have no value' stuff is some pathetic nerd poo poo. Grow up or gently caress off with that.
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AceOfFlames posted:I explicitly said that I consider artists to have worth, because art broadens your horizons and develops you as a person. Performing sports makes you healthy. What does WATCHING sports give you other than brainless entertainment? It's just as worthless as reality television. Lol wait this is a serious point? I'm not even particularly a sports fan and this is extraordinarily dumb and elitist.
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# ? Feb 22, 2020 16:37 |
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I mean apart from there being no hard distinction between a sport and a performance art to speak of, there's a huge communal and ritual function that tends to be overlooked by people with no friends (or somewhat more charitably, who hated their family or community growing up). I just wouldn't want my local theater troupe to be giving themselves permanent brain damage for my entertainment, either. In much the same way I don't want rape and sexual harassment to just be the loving price of doing business for a medium I love. (Especially not if film/theater/whatever were constantly presented as a means to pay for an education and escape poverty!)
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Its a little easier to forgive professional sports income when you remember that most of these guys are gonna be completely unemployabld by thirty
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Most of them are also making some billionaires millions of dollars and probably spent years of their lives making people money playing for free. So like pro athletes are generally getting only a fraction of the money being made and there's a lot more guys how get broken down and used up without ever making a fortune.
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Babysitter Super Sleuth posted:Its a little easier to forgive professional sports income when you remember that most of these guys are gonna be completely unemployabld by thirty Yeah, it's not like they can be tv analysts, go into public speaking, promote a clothing brand, coaches or living of a fortune that most people will never ever be close to getting.
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Alhazred posted:Yeah, it's not like they can be tv analysts, go into public speaking, promote a clothing brand, coaches or living of a fortune that most people will never ever be close to getting. What % of all athletes are able to do any of those things?
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inferis posted:What % of all athletes are able to do any of those things? Also the tens of thousands of students who play in college for free, netting networks and coaches and everyone else involved with the NCAA a poo poo ton of money then never play a single game professionally.
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Babysitter Super Sleuth posted:Its a little easier to forgive professional sports income when you remember that most of these guys are gonna be completely unemployabld by thirty And will completely destroy their bodies and also probably their brains in the process.
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There are 1200 members of the MLBPA. There are nearly 9000 members of the NFLPA. There's tens of thousands of minor league players making minimum wage. Tens of thousands of college athletes making their universities millions and not getting anything and never advancing to pro sports. Wannabe NBA players will uproot to China or Europe to play ball. Today there's a secondary football league playing offering its players BELOW minimum wage pay just for a chance to play "pro ball." Like, assuming all pro athletes are multi millionaires with sneaker and book deals and high paying speaking engagements and tv analysis gigs is a pretty big misunderstanding of the reality of sports.
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A Sometimes Food posted:Yeah like, the stuff about giving athletes a free pass on horrific crimes is relevant to the thread but the 'sports are pointless and have no value' stuff is some pathetic nerd poo poo. Grow up or gently caress off with that. I appreciate the irony of someone going 'grrr sportsball bad' in a internet subforum focused on movie reviews.
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STAC Goat posted:There are 1200 members of the MLBPA. There are nearly 9000 members of the NFLPA. There's tens of thousands of minor league players making minimum wage. Tens of thousands of college athletes making their universities millions and not getting anything and never advancing to pro sports. Wannabe NBA players will uproot to China or Europe to play ball. Today there's a secondary football league playing offering its players BELOW minimum wage pay just for a chance to play "pro ball." yeah, it's like making the assumption that all actors are multimillionaires because you saw what George Clooney's house looks like, when the reality is that most people who work in hollywood, like most people who play professional sports, don't really make all that much money. The whole "well they'll be just fine" thought process is exactly what the owners of the teams in the pro leagues (all billionaires with way more wealth than pretty much anyone playing sports) want you to think, because they'll exploit that when it comes time to sign a new contract with the players unions.
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DrVenkman posted:Lol wait this is a serious point? I'm not even particularly a sports fan and this is extraordinarily dumb and elitist. AceOfFlames is an extremely bad poster who uses this forum in an extremely unhealthy way. Check his rap sheet.
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# ? Feb 22, 2020 20:35 |
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STAC Goat posted:There are 1200 members of the MLBPA. There are nearly 9000 members of the NFLPA. There's tens of thousands of minor league players making minimum wage. Tens of thousands of college athletes making their universities millions and not getting anything and never advancing to pro sports. Wannabe NBA players will uproot to China or Europe to play ball. Today there's a secondary football league playing offering its players BELOW minimum wage pay just for a chance to play "pro ball." Major junior hockey in canada/usa is an insane scam. They’re currently being sued for not paying their players minimum wage and people point to the scholarship program they have as evidence that the kids are being compensated. The league is considered professional by the ncaa so if they lose eligibility in the states. Also, if they play any games in a professional league they lose the scholarship. The lowest pro league in the us is the echl and those players make about $500 a week and almost never make it to the pros so these kids have to immediately make a decision after junior whether they are going to continue trying to do what they practiced their whole lives for or go to college.
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Yeah, for every first round draft pick there's probably a couple hundred kids having to make massive life changing decisions on whether to gamble their futures on pro sports or abandon what they've been gunning for their whole lives and go try and get a business degree or trade school or something. Its a messed up system and assuming everyone is made for life only helps the billionaire assholes rigging the system.
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Skwirl posted:Also the tens of thousands of students who play in college for free, netting networks and coaches and everyone else involved with the NCAA a poo poo ton of money then never play a single game professionally. And this entire argument is entirely US-centric, while apparently also painting all athletes across the board with the same brush. I'd like to know what the "sports athlete persons should only be paid $1 per annum or they can gently caress OFF!" crowd feels about Pacific Island rugby players, who ply their trade in Europe and Japan in order to provide for not just their families, but in some cases, their entire communities back in the islands.
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Tuxedo Catfish posted:I mean apart from there being no hard distinction between a sport and a performance art to speak of B-b-but jocks! Gymbros! I need to define my entire body of taste around being a nerd and only consuming safe nerd-branded things! mycot fucked around with this message at 22:13 on Feb 22, 2020 |
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mycot posted:B-b-but jocks! Gymbros! I need to define my entire body of taste around being a nerd and only consuming safe nerd-branded things!
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