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Vakal
May 11, 2008
Also I think GRRM wrote for the Outer Limits, not Twilight Zone.

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Rutibex
Sep 9, 2001

by Fluffdaddy

is pepsi ok posted:

Rimworld works because it constantly keeps you feeling like if you just fix this one thing your idiot colonists will finally be happy and productive.

you also don't play Rimworld to win. you play to fight off the end for just a one more day, in the hopes the RNG will give your colony a more memorable death

Waltzing Along
Jun 14, 2008

There's only one
Human race
Many faces
Everybody belongs here

Play posted:

They managed to improve on the Souls formula with almost every game they put out though, which is something that many developers can't seem to manage. Bloodborne and Sekiro, while still essentially the same genre, are almost revolutionary in how much the formula was changed and changed successfully.

I don't think they're the best developer ever, but I'd put them top 5 pretty easily, assuming I could even name five developers off the top of my head

Nintendo is the clear #1

Rockstar is easily #2

Naughty Dog is probably #3 right now

Blizzard
Bioware

If those last two hadn't hosed up so badly in the last decade.
Perhaps Valve if they actually still made games.
Does Sony count as a developer?
Squenix is up there somewhere, too

Maybe From is up there now. I'd say top 10.

Rutibex
Sep 9, 2001

by Fluffdaddy

Waltzing Along posted:

Nintendo is the clear #1

Rockstar is easily #2

Naughty Dog is probably #3 right now

Blizzard
Bioware

If those last two hadn't hosed up so badly in the last decade.
Perhaps Valve if they actually still made games.
Does Sony count as a developer?
Squenix is up there somewhere, too

Maybe From is up there now. I'd say top 10.

KOEI is #1 and #2 is easily Paradox Games. nintendo is #3 i guess. all of those other companies are just terrible i dont know why they would be on a list of good game companies

veni veni veni
Jun 5, 2005


Nintendo is not a developer even if they market themselves that way.

imo Fromsoft is probably the most important developer of the last decade if you look at the effect they have had on games as a whole.

Waltzing Along
Jun 14, 2008

There's only one
Human race
Many faces
Everybody belongs here

veni veni veni posted:

Nintendo is not a developer even if they market themselves that way.

Nintendo isn't a developer the way Disney isn't an animation studio.

Rockman Reserve
Oct 2, 2007

"Carbons? Purge? What are you talking about?!"

again, I see the words “horseback combat” being bandied about as praise, which is weird to me as a person who has played several video games with horses in them

tango alpha delta
Sep 9, 2011

Ask me about my wealthy lifestyle and passive income! I love bragging about my wealth to my lessers! My opinions are more valid because I have more money than you! Stealing the fruits of the labor of the working class is okay, so long as you don't do it using crypto. More money = better than!

veni veni veni posted:

Nintendo is not a developer even if they market themselves that way.

I think this gentleman might respectfully disagree with you: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shigeru_Miyamoto

It's not surprising that you've never heard of Mr. Miyamoto. He's the creator of a few really obscure and unpopular games that barely scraped by financially. His games have probably have never been on most people's radar, and you'd hardly consider any of the titles flagships or system sellers.

If you read the wikipedia article, you'll probably wonder how this tryhard still has a job.

tango alpha delta fucked around with this message at 06:21 on Feb 22, 2020

signalnoise
Mar 7, 2008

i was told my old av was distracting

tango alpha delta posted:

I think this gentleman might respectfully disagree with you: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shigeru_Miyamoto

It's not surprising that you've never heard of Mr. Miyamoto. He's the creator of a few really obscure and unpopular games that barely scraped by financially. His games have probably have never been on most people's radar, and you'd hardly consider any of the titles flagships or system sellers.

If you read the wikipedia article, you'll probably wonder how this tryhard still has a job.

Satoru Iwada never programmed anything of consequence tho, for sure

Taima
Dec 31, 2006

tfw you're peeing next to someone in the lineup and they don't know
Easily my most disappointing video game moment of all time was getting to the last boss of Hell in spelunky and dying with one hit left to go. I’m still scarred. I could never play it again after that.

It really is an utter masterpiece though.

William Henry Hairytaint
Oct 29, 2011



tango alpha delta posted:

I think this gentleman might respectfully disagree with you: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shigeru_Miyamoto

It's not surprising that you've never heard of Mr. Miyamoto. He's the creator of a few really obscure and unpopular games that barely scraped by financially. His games have probably have never been on most people's radar, and you'd hardly consider any of the titles flagships or system sellers.

If you read the wikipedia article, you'll probably wonder how this tryhard still has a job.

This guy definitely deserves endless praise for coming up with such engaging ideas as "insulting italian stereotypes save a damsel in distress" and "elf kid saves an elf damsel in distress".

Rutibex
Sep 9, 2001

by Fluffdaddy

William Henry Hairytaint posted:

This guy definitely deserves endless praise for coming up with such engaging ideas as "insulting italian stereotypes save a damsel in distress" and "elf kid saves an elf damsel in distress".

no one is playing nintendo games for the story. he is doing it right. video games stories should be like a porno story, its just there to get you to the action.

poverty goat
Feb 15, 2004



Link and Mario are the original incels, forever carrying a printer up a hill

Meme Poker Party
Sep 1, 2006

by Azathoth

William Henry Hairytaint posted:

This guy definitely deserves endless praise for coming up with such engaging ideas as "insulting italian stereotypes save a damsel in distress" and "elf kid saves an elf damsel in distress".

Tbh, everything was stereotypes then. All media. Mario Bros (the first game) came out in 1983. Watch any popular movie from that time. It's stereotypes all the way down. This doesn't make it good thing, but I can't really condemn a person who acted in total accordance with cultural norms of the time. As a person of Italian descent, I'm ok with it.


Thank you so much for to reading my post.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.
Mario was just a replacement they threw together because they couldn't get the rights to Popeye.

jokes
Dec 20, 2012

Uh... Kupo?

Rutibex posted:

KOEI is #1 and #2 is easily Paradox Games. nintendo is #3 i guess. all of those other companies are just terrible i dont know why they would be on a list of good game companies

Blizzard and BioWare are absolute poo poo now. The Blizzard Death Watch thread is pretty good at showing how loving bad they are at everything nowadays and it’s astounding.

Square Enix is one of the best in my opinion. Not because they’re putting out consistently good products or something but because they, as a company, are so all over the place with their video games. They also clearly grew up playing FF games but never made the homages weird, like how Blizzard did.

It’s like they’re all kind of over it, generally, but make all their decisions based on “would it be cool or funny if we did X?” And then they, as a company, take some LSD and answer that question with a storyboard and a concept artist at the ready.

E: plus FF14 is a hell of a redemption arc. Everyone should watch that documentary about the 1.0 story. Went from on-Fire garbage can to one of the best video games ever (imo).

jokes fucked around with this message at 17:47 on Feb 22, 2020

Punkinhead
Apr 2, 2015

Miyamoto, such a great developer that he saw Rare passionately working hard on their game, Dinosaur Planet, and made them change virtually everything about it and to call it a Star Fox game.

Thank you for Star Fox Adventures, Miyamoto, you sure have made a lot of great games recently!

mind the walrus
Sep 22, 2006

ChazTurbo
Oct 4, 2014

William Henry Hairytaint posted:

This guy definitely deserves endless praise for coming up with such engaging ideas as "insulting italian stereotypes save a damsel in distress" and "elf kid saves an elf damsel in distress".

You're probably a joy to watch movies with

Zane
Nov 14, 2007

PinheadSlim posted:

Miyamoto, such a great developer that he saw Rare passionately working hard on their game, Dinosaur Planet, and made them change virtually everything about it and to call it a Star Fox game.

Thank you for Star Fox Adventures, Miyamoto, you sure have made a lot of great games recently!
i knew a dude in high school who loved star fox. i guess in a sort of ironic way? he would play star fox at parties whenever he got the chance. his big gimmick was to make organic pew pew noises in correspondence with the pew pew noises in game. he also maybe dramatically repeated all the dialogue? man that fucker was annoying.

Zane fucked around with this message at 00:54 on Feb 23, 2020

Rutibex
Sep 9, 2001

by Fluffdaddy

jokes posted:

Blizzard and BioWare are absolute poo poo now. The Blizzard Death Watch thread is pretty good at showing how loving bad they are at everything nowadays and it’s astounding.

Square Enix is one of the best in my opinion. Not because they’re putting out consistently good products or something but because they, as a company, are so all over the place with their video games. They also clearly grew up playing FF games but never made the homages weird, like how Blizzard did.

It’s like they’re all kind of over it, generally, but make all their decisions based on “would it be cool or funny if we did X?” And then they, as a company, take some LSD and answer that question with a storyboard and a concept artist at the ready.

E: plus FF14 is a hell of a redemption arc. Everyone should watch that documentary about the 1.0 story. Went from on-Fire garbage can to one of the best video games ever (imo).

yeah Square hasn't gone over to the same corporate greed that has killed Blizzard, Konami and Bethesda. they are more like a bloated senile version of their former selves

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.

Rutibex posted:

yeah Square hasn't gone over to the same corporate greed that has killed Blizzard, Konami and Bethesda. they are more like a bloated senile version of their former selves

That's kind of a common thing with Japanese companies, I think being run by senile old fucks who hate everything. Capcom is still pulling themselves back from the brink.

SnowblindFatal
Jan 7, 2011
I think I cracked the case of Spec Ops: The Line and why it's such a divisive game here.

Maybe it's greatly dependant on how you're used to war being portrayed. If the media you mostly consume is the average Hollywood crap, Spec Ops game's approach actually might feel like a fresh take on the genre. Then again, if you have a wider range of media you consume, let's say you've played Lost Patrol on Amiga or watched the movie Idi i smotri, The Line appears unimaginative and hamfisted.

Also if you have low quality standards for firefights (ie. have never played the STALKER games, Rage [yeah I know what you're thinking, but let's face it, the shooting parts were well done], etc.) might also make you feel like this run of the mill cash cow game is exciting.

Idk just a thought. :shrug:

SnowblindFatal fucked around with this message at 21:33 on Feb 22, 2020

Ugly In The Morning
Jul 1, 2010
Pillbug

SnowblindFatal posted:

I think I cracked the case of Spec Ops: The Line and why it's such a divisive game here.

Maybe it's greatly dependant on how you're used to war being portrayed. If the media you mostly consume is the average Hollywood crap, Spec Ops game's approach actually might feel like a fresh take on the genre. Then again, if you have a wider range of media you consume, let's say you've played Lost Patrol on Amiga or watched the movie Idi i smotri, The Line appears unimaginative and hamfisted.

Also if you have low quality standards for firefights (ie. have never played the STALKER games, Rage [yeah I know what you're thinking, but let's face it, the shooting parts were well done], etc.) might also make you feel like this run of the mill cash cow game is exciting.

Idk just a thought. :shrug:

I love war is hell media and also games like RAGE and Stalker and I still enjoy Spec Ops The Line.

site
Apr 6, 2007

Trans pride, Worldwide
Bitch
cover shooters arent great in 2020 but as far as trolls go, "you like it because you havent played an fps" is pretty old and tired

full disclosure ive been replaying it yesterday and today because of this convo and its decent. fun enough for the 6hr gameplay time anyways. i was in fact wrong as far as i can tell about being able to avoid lighting up the civilians with wp, i couldnt get off the balcony and the enemies infinitely respawn if you shoot them instead of using the mortar. the choice to kill the cia guy or not is pretty blatant, but the one to shoot the crowd after your teammate dies isnt as much. had i not been aware of it from this thread i probably wouldnt have thought to shoot up in the air since your remaining teammate is goading you into shooting them

site fucked around with this message at 22:20 on Feb 22, 2020

Caesar Saladin
Aug 15, 2004

SnowblindFatal posted:

I think I cracked the case of Spec Ops: The Line and why it's such a divisive game here.

Maybe it's greatly dependant on how you're used to war being portrayed. If the media you mostly consume is the average Hollywood crap, Spec Ops game's approach actually might feel like a fresh take on the genre. Then again, if you have a wider range of media you consume, let's say you've played Lost Patrol on Amiga or watched the movie Idi i smotri, The Line appears unimaginative and hamfisted.

Also if you have low quality standards for firefights (ie. have never played the STALKER games, Rage [yeah I know what you're thinking, but let's face it, the shooting parts were well done], etc.) might also make you feel like this run of the mill cash cow game is exciting.

Idk just a thought. :shrug:

lmao you sound like a real rear end in a top hat. Everyone here has seen movies and read books.

QuarkJets
Sep 8, 2008

SnowblindFatal posted:

Idk just a thought. :shrug:

Spec Ops: The Line is a novel video game because it masquerades as a mainstream game that romanticizes war in the standard mainstream way, but then actually treats the subject like less mainstream sources. "This is only enjoyed by people who don't consume what I consider to be higher forms of anti-war media" is inane tripe. "People who like this game just haven't played the STALKER series" is inane tripe.

QuarkJets fucked around with this message at 02:16 on Feb 23, 2020

Dewgy
Nov 10, 2005

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SnowblindFatal posted:

I think I cracked the case of Spec Ops: The Line and why it's such a divisive game here.

If you’re a stupid rear end in a top hat who hates dumb garbage, this poo poo is right up your alley.

Loser. gently caress you. :shrug:

:goonsay:

Caesar Saladin
Aug 15, 2004

listen fellas, i've read real books and seen real movies, and i understand why your uncultured monkey brain might enjoy this game but mine is just too portly, too rotund

veni veni veni
Jun 5, 2005


I've cracked the case. My farts smell great and your farts stink.

DildenAnders
Mar 16, 2016

"I recommend Batman especially, for he tends to transcend the abysmal society in which he's found himself. His morality is rather rigid, also. I rather respect Batman.â€Â
Listen, maybe you'll like it if you haven't played other good, sobering war games like Duke Nukem Forever, but if you're like me, you'll know it's actually bad.

JollyBoyJohn
Feb 13, 2019

For Real!
I have not played Spec Ops but I would have probably like it because it can be beaten in a day, feels a bit late to go back to it now though

Icochet
Mar 18, 2008

I have a very small TV. Don't make fun of it! Please don't shame it like that~

Grimey Drawer
I read two pages of Baudelaire and immediately uninstalled Steam

3D Megadoodoo
Nov 25, 2010

Where does it say Mario is Italian, anyway?

Meme Poker Party
Sep 1, 2006

by Azathoth

Jerry Cotton posted:

Where does it say Mario is Italian, anyway?

In our hearts.

Punkinhead
Apr 2, 2015

Jerry Cotton posted:

Where does it say Mario is Italian, anyway?

According to a Q&A from USA Today with Shigeru Miyamoto

Shigeru Miyamoto posted:

“As a kid, I was a big comic fan and I liked foreign comics as well. So I drew some characters that had more western type features with a little bigger noses and what not. Now with Mario, I think with Mario Bros. we had a setting of course that was underground, so I just decided Mario is a plumber. Let’s put him in New York and he can be Italian. There was really no other deep thought other than that.”

Rutibex
Sep 9, 2001

by Fluffdaddy

Jerry Cotton posted:

Where does it say Mario is Italian, anyway?

i was curious so i just read the instruction books for SMB1-3, Mario bros, wrecking crew, and donkey kong as well as the backs of the boxes. nowhere is mario said to be italian, or any particular ethnicity

PinheadSlim posted:

According to a Q&A from USA Today with Shigeru Miyamoto

if its not in the instruction books its not canon :colbert:

Waltzing Along
Jun 14, 2008

There's only one
Human race
Many faces
Everybody belongs here
But where in Italy is he from?

Ugly In The Morning
Jul 1, 2010
Pillbug

QuarkJets posted:

Spec Ops: The Line is a novel video game because it masquerades as a mainstream game that romanticizes war in the standard mainstream way, but then actually treats the subject like less mainstream sources. "This is only enjoyed by people who don't consume what I consider to be higher forms of anti-war media" is inane tripe. "People who like this game just haven't played the STALKER series" is inane tripe.

It also does something that not a lot of games do- it gives you choices in the story without signposting “THERE IS A CHOICE HERE!” There’s a part where you can scatter a crowd by shooting at them or over their heads. The game doesn’t tell you that’s an option but the narrative reacts to it if you do. I think there’s a few other places where that happens too.

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Meme Poker Party
Sep 1, 2006

by Azathoth

Waltzing Along posted:

But where in Italy is he from?

Mario Mario is from New York, New York.

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