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Brawnfire
Jul 13, 2004

🎧Listen to Cylindricule!🎵
https://linktr.ee/Cylindricule

Ralph Crammed In posted:

Disappointed with Picard, I wanted a new to me Star Trek so I started Voyager - I've only ever seen TNG and TOS and some DS9 before this. I watched the episode last night where Paris makes out with a feather wigged femme fatal on planet Film Noir.



My husband and I couldn't stop laughing at this motherfucker right here.

I've lurked this thread on and off for a while and I get that Voyager isn't a favorite but coming hot off Picard it's a masterpiece of joy.

I love that the Bird Couple was literally named [w]Ren. I like to think it was all a horrible vengeance exacted by sentient avianoids who discovered Paris, in his boyhood, killed a mother bird in her nest.

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Iron Crowned
May 6, 2003

by Hand Knit

infernal machines posted:

Species 8472 look like something out of Babylon 5. At least they're not "guy with a forehead prosthetic", but I think they may have been a little to quick to jump on the all CGI train

You say that like Babylon 5 is a bad thing.

Ralph Crammed In
May 11, 2007

Let's get clean and smart


Brawnfire posted:

I love that the Bird Couple was literally named [w]Ren. I like to think it was all a horrible vengeance exacted by sentient avianoids who discovered Paris, in his boyhood, killed a mother bird in her nest.

Lol I didn't even notice that. I was too distracted by the fact that Paris was gently scolding the bird woman from 70,000 light years into the void that smoking was bad for her.

Arc Hammer
Mar 4, 2013

Got any deathsticks?

Bogus Adventure posted:

lmao, look at that dude's head

I'll grant this to Voyager: They did come up with some really cool alien designs. Species 8472, the Vidiians, and the one alien that could inflate it's nostrils/air sacs.

Yeah but DS9 has the Jem'Hadar and the Cardassians and the Breen.

Meme Poker Party
Sep 1, 2006

by Azathoth
DS9 had the most exotic aliens of all: good writers.

Arc Hammer
Mar 4, 2013

Got any deathsticks?
Ira Behr looks like an alien.

Bogus Adventure
Jan 11, 2017

More like "Bulges Adventure"

Arcsquad12 posted:

Yeah but DS9 has the Jem'Hadar and the Cardassians and the Breen.

Cardassians came from TNG, though.

Laterite
Mar 14, 2007

It's Gutfest '89
Grimey Drawer

Arcsquad12 posted:

Ira Behr looks like an alien.

i'm the purple goatee

Rent-A-Cop
Oct 15, 2004

I posted my food for USPOL Thanksgiving!

Farscape had the best aliens.

Fight me.

Big Mean Jerk
Jan 27, 2009

Well, of course I know him.
He's me.
Didn’t the blue Farscape lady have medical issues because of the makeup?

Meme Poker Party
Sep 1, 2006

by Azathoth

Rent-A-Cop posted:

Farscape had the best aliens.

Fight me.

I'm the "alien" who is human in every manner of appearance and behavior, but is cold-blooded, like it's a generic trait I just toggled in an RPG for +20% fire resist, -10% cold resist.

infernal machines
Oct 11, 2012

we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.

Rent-A-Cop posted:

Farscape had the best aliens.

Fight me.

They had actual Jim Henson puppets didn't they?

Luitpold
Aug 2, 2009
Talking of excrement ...

Rent-A-Cop posted:

Farscape had the best aliens.

Fight me.

Andreas Katsulas wasn't on that show.

mediaphage
Mar 22, 2007

Excuse me, pardon me, sheer perfection coming through
I might like Farscape more if Ben browder was even remotely believable as an astronaut. I really feel like I couldn’t tell the difference between his roles on Farscape and sg-1. Part of it is probably that he seems to have only gotten a break two years before, and part of it is probably an Australian’s view of what an American astronaut should be.

But honestly, I found him the weakest part of Farscape by some margin. I liked Claudia black, tho.

Dr. Fishopolis
Aug 31, 2004

ROBOT

Luitpold posted:

Andreas Katsulas wasn't on that show.

The Katsulas / Jurasik dynamic was so well acted and so well written, I can't think of anything in recent sci fi that approaches it.

Winifred Madgers
Feb 12, 2002

infernal machines posted:

They had actual Jim Henson puppets didn't they?

In that the show was produced in-house by the Henson workshop, yes.

infernal machines
Oct 11, 2012

we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.
Yeah, that's gonna be hard to top

Mulaney Power Move
Dec 30, 2004

Neddy Seagoon posted:

I assumed the way to think of it was that that same process is currently playing out across dozens of planets, starships, and starbases across the Federation for probably about a few hundred slots in a class year on Earth. Relatively speaking, the odds of getting in on a galactic scale against hundreds of thousands (if not millions) of potential other candidates are slim.

I thought they stated this was for extra special early admission

GolfHole
Feb 26, 2004

Xenocides posted:

Then realize that Reginald Barclay somehow passed that test.

could have just taken one look at the disaster and walked immediately out


admiral brahms: "well cadet... it wasn't heroic, but it's technically a pass."
*stamps paper 'engineering', pencils in la forje with a shiteating smirk on his face*

Farmer Crack-Ass
Jan 2, 2001

this is me posting irl

Lord Ludikrous posted:

1x19 - Coming of Age
  • This story also makes use of the A plot/B plot format that would become the norm as the series goes on, and its clear to see why as it does work rather well.
  • The whole process of getting into Starfleet Academy just feels really off to me. In fact it makes the Federation as a whole seem really, really small.
  • Of the entire planet, only 4 people make it to the entrance exam for the academy and one of those wasn't even from the planet. Out of those 4, only one person actually makes it through the exam and to the Academy itself. The rest have to try again next year.
  • There's what, about 150 member worlds in the Federation? So each year Starfleet Academy gets an influx of 150 students. That...doesn't seem very much at all.

Was that planet an actual Member World? I thought it was just some piddlywinks outpost or something. I seriously doubt it's only one applicant per planet regardless of how heavily populated the planet is.


As for the A/B-plot structure, while it works for some episodes, late-TNG gets absurdly slavish to it IMO.

Farmer Crack-Ass
Jan 2, 2001

this is me posting irl

Mulaney Power Move posted:

I thought they stated this was for extra special early admission

oh, right, yeah that's true - I think those were all like ultra TAG kids or something like that

Teriyaki Hairpiece
Dec 29, 2006

I'm nae the voice o' the darkened thistle, but th' darkened thistle cannae bear the sight o' our Bonnie Prince Bernie nae mair.
There's multiple episodes of DS9 where Starfleet loses thousands upon thousands of people in a single battle, Starfleet Academy has to be really turning them out.

infernal machines
Oct 11, 2012

we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.

Farmer Crack-rear end posted:

oh, right, yeah that's true - I think those were all like ultra TAG kids or something like that

Imagine how much of a nerdlinger you'd have to be to be considered "special" by Starfleet

gimme the GOD DAMN candy
Jul 1, 2007

Teriyaki Hairpiece posted:

There's multiple episodes of DS9 where Starfleet loses thousands upon thousands of people in a single battle, Starfleet Academy has to be really turning them out.

ships are mostly crewed by nco's, it's just that aside from o'brien none of them have ever been seen or mentioned. it's not considered polite to acknowledge their existence in civilized company.

Arc Hammer
Mar 4, 2013

Got any deathsticks?
Yeah Starfleet academy is like going to West Point. After Wolf 359 when the Federation started using "escort vessels" it seems like a lot more ships went back to using enlisted personnel.

Teriyaki Hairpiece
Dec 29, 2006

I'm nae the voice o' the darkened thistle, but th' darkened thistle cannae bear the sight o' our Bonnie Prince Bernie nae mair.
I'm just going to imagine that Starfleet has a bunch of bumpkins with banjos travelling around its worlds singing "If you want to have a good time, jine Starfleet! Jine Starfleet! Jine Starfleet!"

Facebook Aunt
Oct 4, 2008

wiggle wiggle




Lord Ludikrous posted:

[*]The whole process of getting into Starfleet Academy just feels really off to me. In fact it makes the Federation as a whole seem really, really small.
[*]Of the entire planet, only 4 people make it to the entrance exam for the academy and one of those wasn't even from the planet. Out of those 4, only one person actually makes it through the exam and to the Academy itself. The rest have to try again next year.
[*]There's what, about 150 member worlds in the Federation? So each year Starfleet Academy gets an influx of 150 students. That...doesn't seem very much at all.

There could also be different pools. Like Bashir attended Starfleet Academy as a medical student, so his application probably wasn't contesting against kids trying to get into the command track or engineering.

Some people get a leg up based on background too, I bet. Worf was the first Klingon in starfleet and they were happy to have him, but he never shows any particular aptitude for advanced math or warp theory. Nog was a good kid but I'm not sure he would beat the scores of these kids in this episode, the novelty of "first ferengi in starfleet" probably helped him get in. Yar's rape gang planet probably didn't have great schools. There's a handful of Bajorans and they mostly have tragic backstories of work camps and refugee misery, not fancy private schools.

I'd expect at least a few thousand kids entering starfleet academy each year. Then again, Boothby only has so much time in a day, so maybe they lock it down to a couple hundred just so he has time to get to them all.

Pick
Jul 19, 2009
Nap Ghost
Oh my god it's not loving affirmative action, Ferengi are canonically math geniuses.

infernal machines
Oct 11, 2012

we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.
Wait, which awful racial stereotype were they meant to be?

Ghostlight
Sep 25, 2009

maybe for one second you can pause; try to step into another person's perspective, and understand that a watermelon is cursing me



worf's log, stardate 45494.2: an alien threw me across the bridge today while i was in the middle of formulating an alternative solution to fermat's theorem. lost my train of thought and bruised my hip where i landed on my baldric. i hope i don't get a wesley detail for this.

Big Mean Jerk
Jan 27, 2009

Well, of course I know him.
He's me.

Pick posted:

Oh my god it's not loving affirmative action, Ferengi are canonically math geniuses.

Nog also had some engineering aptitude iirc

gimme the GOD DAMN candy
Jul 1, 2007
nog wasn't a ridiculous engineering savant, but he was raised by one so he probably picked some stuff up.

Giggs
Jan 4, 2013

mama huhu
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fuzh6RT0wx8&t=179s
I believe Nog had scenes where he helped Rom repair things in/around the bar before this, a few times (??), so just like in real life having actual experience is really valuable in many ways.

e: And Wesley's test was probably extremely cruelly targeted to hinge around the idea of sometimes having to choose between two tragedies since his father was the consequence of such a choice and not like, Academy-wide.

Giggs fucked around with this message at 03:59 on Feb 25, 2020

Farmer Crack-Ass
Jan 2, 2001

this is me posting irl

infernal machines posted:

Imagine how much of a nerdlinger you'd have to be to be considered "special" by Starfleet

i don't have to, he's literally in the main cast

Farmer Crack-Ass fucked around with this message at 04:46 on Feb 25, 2020

mango sentinel
Jan 5, 2001

by sebmojo

Big Mean Jerk posted:

Didn’t the blue Farscape lady have medical issues because of the makeup?

No, she said the stress and lack of sleep caused by the shooting schedule and prosthetics made her kidneys bleed. She is now into crystals, meditation, and naturopathy.

Bogus Adventure
Jan 11, 2017

More like "Bulges Adventure"

infernal machines posted:

Wait, which awful racial stereotype were they meant to be?

lmao

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.

infernal machines posted:

Wait, which awful racial stereotype were they meant to be?

Capitalists

Pick
Jul 19, 2009
Nap Ghost

infernal machines posted:

Wait, which awful racial stereotype were they meant to be?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AXqf7ks7l7I

Trying
Sep 26, 2019

Farmer Crack-rear end posted:

As for the A/B-plot structure, while it works for some episodes, late-TNG gets absurdly slavish to it IMO.

TNGrek really loved a musical sting paired with a reaction shot as a throw to commercials, they were mad on that poo poo

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GolfHole
Feb 26, 2004

oh but seriously I posted:

TNGrek really loved a musical sting paired with a reaction shot as a throw to commercials, they were mad on that poo poo

mm yea, the good stuff

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