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The show is like a hybrid of a good version of LOST and the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy. I really have zero complaints.Owlofcreamcheese posted:Did Jason really ever do ANYTHING after the first season? He made good comedy relief and this is a comedy show so it's fine, but it feels like he rapidly became totally irrelevant to any of the plot. He was the Molotov Cocktail thrower.
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Jason pushed a lot of the plot by being the guy who did things the others wouldn't and also was a primary factor in Janet's growth.
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Jason was stupid, but he offered a unique viewpoint that the others didn't see as a result. He was the "sometimes the most obvious solution is the best one" guy, which came in handy a few times, when you have overthinkers like Eleanor, Chidi, and Michael around. He was also the butt of the joke that made me laugh the hardest I've laughed in years when Michael got upset that Jason figured it out and that alone is worth his main character status.
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I've seen so many people say that's their favourite moment, it definitely seems to be the most common.
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Really? I thought it was a real low point.
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MikeJF posted:I've seen so many people say that's their favourite moment, it definitely seems to be the most common. A lot of the little jokes like that were my favorite (Janet's learning she can be passive-aggressive, Vicky's refusal to read a report without pictures, Tahani trying to make Jason and Janet feel better in the mailroom, and Michael getting his gifts from the team all come to mind) , and I feel like that is the general consensus. That said, I REALLY hope this show is remembered for more than that.
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:Did Jason really ever do ANYTHING after the first season? He made good comedy relief and this is a comedy show so it's fine, but it feels like he rapidly became totally irrelevant to any of the plot. His relationship with Janet cracked the undercover janet case. He was easily the most emotionally mature when the plot decided to use that.
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Also while Jason deciding to be an eternal monk would have been neat, it means we would have lost,"CHIDI, WAIT UP!" and that's not a universe that should exist 
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Rabbi Raccoon posted:A lot of the little jokes like that were my favorite (Janet's learning she can be passive-aggressive, Vicky's refusal to read a report without pictures, Tahani trying to make Jason and Janet feel better in the mailroom, and Michael getting his gifts from the team all come to mind) , and I feel like that is the general consensus. That said, I REALLY hope this show is remembered for more than that. I feel like it will be. If nothing else I've seen a ton of praise for being a show that told its story and ended strong which is a true relief after the vast number of popular shows that ended like rear end recently.
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Straight White Shark posted:Really? I thought it was a real low point. I need you know I appreciate this post.
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Jerusalem posted:Also while Jason deciding to be an eternal monk would have been neat, it means we would have lost,"CHIDI, WAIT UP!" and that's not a universe that should exist Counterpoint: He didn't shout "BORTLES!" as he ran through the door, and that's a travesty.
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Rabbi Raccoon posted:The only finale. There is no final season that takes place in a medical school that's only redeemed by Eliza Coupe and shirtless Michael Mosley 1glitch0 posted:The show is like a hybrid of a good version of LOST It's me. I'm the person who likes things people hated.
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WSAENOTSOCK posted:It's me. I'm the person who likes things people hated. As I recall, plenty of people here in TVIV absolutely LOVED Lost right up until the bitter end? I disliked large portions of the show but I actually really dug the final episode v  vThe Good Place did "the cast departs serenely into the unknown" a billion times better though.
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Jerusalem posted:As I recall, plenty of people here in TVIV absolutely LOVED Lost right up until the bitter end? I disliked large portions of the show but I actually really dug the final episode v Yes, but that was mainly because the writers and producers of the show kept reassuring us that everything was answered and it wasn't being made up on the fly, so everyone was delighted to be dragged along for the mystery.
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Jerusalem posted:As I recall, plenty of people here in TVIV absolutely LOVED Lost right up until the bitter end? I disliked large portions of the show but I actually really dug the final episode v LOST had HORRIBLE pacing problems. I think people continued to like the mysteries pretty well, but I don't know anyone liked the long stretches of filler episodes followed by sudden wild shifts or like, characters dying and then being replaced by near identical characters because of actor issues. (Why is LOST the only show that seems like they struggled so much with that issue? Is it literally because it was filmed on an island? It feels like 3 or 4 major plotlines got messed up with actors leaving or leaving and returning, that feels like that happens very rarely for any other show)
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:LOST had HORRIBLE pacing problems. I think people continued to like the mysteries pretty well, but I don't know anyone liked the long stretches of filler episodes followed by sudden wild shifts or like, characters dying and then being replaced by near identical characters because of actor issues. (Why is LOST the only show that seems like they struggled so much with that issue? Is it literally because it was filmed on an island? It feels like 3 or 4 major plotlines got messed up with actors leaving or leaving and returning, that feels like that happens very rarely for any other show) Mr. Eko at the very least got killed off entirely because his actor hated having to live in Hawaii. Dude was supposed to be incredibly important.
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It always amused me to hear them saying that the actors geting DUIs had nothing to do with them being written off, it just so happened that every actor who had a DUI was playing a character that was ALWAYS intended to be written off about that time, what a coincidence! I was lucky in that I just gave up on the show early on, then as the final season was ramping up in the public consciousness I was able to binge through the seasons so stuff that bugged me I could immediately move past to the next episode instead of having to wait a week (or sometimes months if it was a new season, or some dumb mid-season break) and I caught up roughly in time for the final episode. That may be why a bunch of storyline hooks/plot points getting dropped didn't bother me as much, I guess, because I didn't have the emotional investment in them that others had worked up only to see them go absolutely nowhere. Why the gently caress they didn't just shoot Ben on any of the 412 opportunities they had still drove me mad though.
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I love how Walt was important or wait no he wasn't. Or how the smoke monster would get explained, oh wait, this guy just got pushed into a hole and became the smoke monster? Never has a show made me more angry than LOST.
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Mordiceius posted:I love how Walt was important or wait no he wasn't. He was EXTREMELY important... to early memes of his dad screaming words that rhymed with Walt
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I liked the end of Lost, the end of BSG, The Last Jedi AND The Rise of Skywalker. It's good to be able to like things. (Don't remind me that I'm a wrestling fan that can't find a way to like any current wrestling.)
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Eleanor would remind you that you can always watch Steve Austin hit Vince McMahon with a bedpan
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If nothing else, this show was a good start for Ted Danceman and Christine Adele. They might have a future in this industry
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Sub Rosa posted:I liked the end of Lost, the end of BSG, The Last Jedi AND The Rise of Skywalker. It's good to be able to like things. (Don't remind me that I'm a wrestling fan that can't find a way to like any current wrestling.) Look, considering that AEW, NXT and NJPW are a thing I can only diagnose you with terminal bad taste.
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Ishamael posted:The show was about friendship and how it can make us all better, and about how life sucks but we can all try to do a little better tomorrow than we did today. It's about now, not later.
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Mr. Powers posted:I have to assume you mean the first finale. The only finale. And it's definitely a bit of a gut punch.
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I mean, was there even an official season finale for the post-real cast season? I thought it was a one and done that got cancelled when the ratings tanked.
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Strong Convections posted:Might be seen as nitpicky, but the difference is really important in my mind: we can do a little better today than we did yesterday. True.
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So my partner of about five years and I broke up a few months ago, but we stayed pretty much best friends after. It had been an LDR but with frequent visits. Even a great visit in January after we were broken up. We had always watched The Good Place together. I hadn't been waiting, but she had, and we binged all of the last season together except the last episode because it was after she left. We were going to watch it next month when we were going to see each other again. A couple days ago she told me that she choosing to sever, and I get and respect that decision. I'm still very very sad to lose my best friend of course. We kicked off our very last conversation ever by watching the finale at the same time. We both cried a lot, and yeah... It's okay to be sad. My last words to her were "Take it sleazy." Thank you Good Place for providing such a perfectly resonant finale, that helped me express both how sad I was to lose my favorite person, and also how proud I was of her for leaving when she knew it was time even though she knew it would hurt someone she loves.
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Thinking about the last episode and eternity keeps reminding me of 17776. I should read that again.
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WSAENOTSOCK posted:Lost was the good version of Lost. That's going to cost you some points.
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It is my experience that a lot of people didn't actually understand the ending of Lost, even though it was fairly simple.
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Oasx posted:It is my experience that a lot of people didn't actually understand the ending of Lost, even though it was fairly simple. I have an explanation for the ending of lost, but it is too long to fit in this post.
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MikeJF posted:Thinking about the last episode and eternity keeps reminding me of 17776. I should read that again. It’s a free play, buddy. The clock’s all zeroes. It’s after the end of the world. ‘Night.
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Rabbi Raccoon posted:Jason was stupid, but he offered a unique viewpoint that the others didn't see as a result. He was the "sometimes the most obvious solution is the best one" guy, which came in handy a few times, when you have overthinkers like Eleanor, Chidi, and Michael around. It occurs to me that Jason probably had to be the first one to decide to go through the door to emphasize it was of his own volition because if he was one of the later ones the fact he's so dumb would make it seem like peer pressure.
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I dunno, Jason was in many respects a visionary. His vision was small and basic but it was his own. He went first because he was the only one who was authentically happy with himself in the first place (ignorance is bliss, if you must) so he had less to work through. He wasn't very good with actual things and really hazy on the deta but he was pretty good with people (and not a person Janet) and in touch with the emotional stuff a lot. He hot too.
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So obviously TGP was basically the best television show of all time and I enjoyed every bit of it, even the parts I'm about to complain about. 2 things. First: I really thought the last few episodes (the part that takes place in the actual Good Place) were pretty unnecessary. It would have been better just to end it when they walk through the door to Heaven. Up until that point, TGP was about morality, and afterwards, was about a different, less interesting, and more insoluble philosophical problem: what's the deal with heaven? Ever since the idea of a rewarding afterlife has been proposed, humans have come up with a whole bunch of ideas of what it might be like, and all of them kinda suck. Heaven is, in my view, a bit of a flawed concept. It's supposed to be the ideal best place, but what does "best"/"good" mean? What humans call happiness is really a mixture of many different emotions, which cannot all be simultaneously maximized. Pleasure, humor, love, satisfaction - to maximize one is to deny the others. The problem, as they state it, is a lack of meaning, but since that's vague I'd rather characterize it as "satisfaction" being unattainable for a soul with infinite power. Their solution, that I think is bullshit, is to say that Anyways, that whole argument about meaning and junk seems to be orthogonal to the problem of infinite power being unsatisfying. That problem doesn't have a solution, as far as I can tell. The idea of a "perfect" heaven seems like it ends up in a logical contradiction, similar to the ol' "could God make a rock so heavy even he couldn't lift it" paradox. Either heaven doesn't exist, it does but it's not "perfectly" good, or its nature is beyond the ability of humans to understand. They could have done much more with that but ultimately it wouldn't make good television and it wasn't necessary for TGP to do. Ultimately it was kind of an excuse for them to talk about death in a show where everyone was already dead, I guess. But it felt weak, philosophically speaking. Second: I'm kind of annoyed at how they examined the biggest moral problem with the Bad Place. Yes, it's bad that the judgement is unfair, and that no one got into the Good Place for 500 years. But focusing on that sort of distracted from the main problem, which is that people were being tortured forever. Obviously the idea is that someone who's mostly good but drinks almond milk would be tortured forever is unfair. But they never take that to its logical conclusion. Torturing Chidi forever is immoral, but also, torturing Hitler forever is immoral. On a basic level, pretty much every moral system ever devised thinks that punishment should fit crime. It makes no sense for Chidi and Hitler to be tortured the same amount. And it makes no sense for anyone who lived a finite life to get infinite torture. That's God/the Devil/the Universe/Shawn doing literally infinitely times worse to them in the Bad Place than they did on Earth. Hitler is a goddamn saint compared to the God who condemns Hitler to infinite torture. But furthermore: why should anyone get any torture, or any punishment at all? Why does punishment exist, as a concept? The only real moral answer is "to discourage bad behavior." But Hitler isn't going to be released back onto Earth, rehabilitated. He's not going to be doing any behavior ever again, so why try to change his behavior through punishment? And the denizens of Earth aren't aware (at least not for certain) of his punishment, so it can't be a deterrent for them, either. At that point, isn't torturing Hitler just more unnecessary suffering? TGP ends up sidestepping the issue, and sort of solving it by accident. But they never address it, and in a show about morality in the context of the Christian afterlife (I know they say it's not exactly like Christianity but i mean come on) it seems like a big oversight not to talk about the BIG question of the morality of the Christian afterlife. Personally, since the first time they took the train to the Medium Place, I'd been hoping that the series ends with them invading the Good Place and killing God (who'd probably be called The First Architect or something) for the crime of creating the Bad Place, destroying the entire universe in the process. Or something like that. Instead, they fix the system, but there is no explanation or even exploration of where the flawed system came from, nor even a full exploration of those flaws, which left me with metaphysical blue balls.
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The Good Place? More like The Good Show. Man, I loved this show. Was so fresh and novel. Most TV shows are really bad. Not this show, though. Not this show.
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