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Wutang-Yutani posted:Hmm I see, thanks. if A sent .3 bitcoins to B at 2:39am, and B is say a casino that credits account A with .3 bitcoins worth at 2:40am, and for some reason the police got that log from the casino then they could probably link, though maybe not prove who B is. (ianal etc.) there are ways to obfuscate it to make it harder (which makes it much more expensive) and police probably dont have the resources to track down every little thing but isnt a perfectly anonymous mask like some treat it. if it was we wouldnt have wonderful stories of people like KnifeWrench posted:carla sophia who has many boyfriends
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I assume there's software available that correlates inputs and outputs even through mixers. This kind of stuff really isn't hard to do.
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Mar 1, 2020 23:11
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Lambert posted:I assume there's software available that correlates inputs and outputs even through mixers. This kind of stuff really isn't hard to do. now that i think about the mixer still has to know the requested entry(s) and exit(s). even if everything was obfuscated on the blockchain is there anything that prevents mixers from just logging all that?
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Mar 1, 2020 23:21
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CampingCarl posted:i would assume so. i think in theory with a large enough pool you could make it practically impossible but then you have to pay for each transaction through a mixer, each pass would take a minimum of 1 block and probably more, and it requires you to trust a 3rd party which is the mixer service itself. expensive, slow, and requires trust of 3rd parties...but with bitcoin! Also, using a mixer to hide your gambling between drug deals and CP does not seem smart.
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Mar 1, 2020 23:31
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the greatest trick satoshi pulled was convincing the world a public ledger was anonymous
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Mar 1, 2020 23:37
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Boxturret posted:the greatest trick satoshi pulled was convincing the world a public ledger was anonymous 
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this is not even to mention the fact that there's little reason to use a mixer unless you need to hide something illicit, so it's not even like traditional money laundering, because you're only gaining deniability about which criminal you are.
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KnifeWrench posted:this is not even to mention the fact that there's little reason to use a mixer unless you need to hide something illicit, so it's not even like traditional money laundering, because you're only gaining deniability about which criminal you are. this is a similar argument to what the us government makes when they try to backdoor encryption, fyi.
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Mar 2, 2020 00:28
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Different things are different? Whoa.
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KnifeWrench posted:this is not even to mention the fact that there's little reason to use a mixer unless you need to hide something illicit, so it's not even like traditional money laundering, because you're only gaining deniability about which criminal you are.
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KnifeWrench posted:this is not even to mention the fact that there's little reason to use a mixer unless you need to hide something illicit, so it's not even like traditional money laundering, because you're only gaining deniability about which criminal you are. eh, it’s more like tor I think. but without the journalists and dissidents. so ... mostly criminals, but also some nerds who think they’re sticking it to the man by stopping him spying on them, like they think he’d want to
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Mar 2, 2020 01:33
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The Angry Video Game Nerd NordVPN advertisements at the start of every episode but for bitcoin
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Mar 2, 2020 01:42
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Midjack posted:this is a similar argument to what the us government makes when they try to backdoor encryption, fyi. you make a fair point. I still feel like sharing information has a greater expectation and justification for privacy than making monetary transactions, but the parallel is there, and I can see the slipperiness of the slope
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Mar 2, 2020 03:23
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CampingCarl posted:trivial, there are sites where you just enter a transaction or address and you can see all the inputs and outputs. So my question is, can the recipient, B, see that the coins have come from A, easily? And if you send another payment later, will it appear to be from the same address? Or do wallets make new addresses for each transaction?
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Mar 2, 2020 04:27
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Wutang-Yutani posted:So my question is, can the recipient, B, see that the coins have come from A, easily? And if you send another payment later, will it appear to be from the same address? Or do wallets make new addresses for each transaction? yes they can. you don't seem to have the attention span or eye for detail it requires to keep a buttcoin address fully misattributable so i recommend you go full speed ahead into illegal activities, there's absolutely no way this will go wrong for you.
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usually, recipient B creates a new unique unused address that they only give out to sender A, so the first transaction to that address will be assumed to come from A
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ymgve posted:according to the white paper, recipient B creates a new unique unused address that they only give out to sender A, so the first transaction to that address will be assumed to come from A
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Mar 2, 2020 05:09
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Wutang-Yutani posted:So my question is, can the recipient, B, see that the coins have come from A, easily? And if you send another payment later, will it appear to be from the same address? Or do wallets make new addresses for each transaction? you goin' to jail
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yeah actually, in the WHITE PAPER satoshi himself said bitcoin wasn't anonymous so i don't know where all the dumb wannabe criminals got the idea
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Mar 2, 2020 06:35
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yeah i think the gox thieves tried to launder them but welp! bad at crime
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Mar 2, 2020 06:47
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Wutang-Yutani posted:So my question is, can the recipient, B, see that the coins have come from A, easily? And if you send another payment later, will it appear to be from the same address? Or do wallets make new addresses for each transaction? Just keep asking the same question, maybe next time you’ll get the answer you hope for. I agree with everybody else, just go ahead with your crimes, surely it will end well for you.
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lol i wonder what mycrimes weeaboo-yutani has already committed and how they think their little "you can`t prove the butts came from me" defence will go
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Weatherman posted:lol i wonder what mycrimes weeaboo-yutani has already committed and how they think their little "you can`t prove the butts came from me" defence will go I know it's fun to make fun of Bitcoin users but I'm only using it of necessity. Mycrimes.txt is that I'd like to gamble online with 96% RTP instead of at the local pub at 86% and $14 beers I guess.
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Wutang-Yutani posted:necessity. Wutang-Yutani posted:gamble online with 96% RTP instead of at the local pub at 86% and $14 beers I guess.
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Yeah I'm a gambler, but any alcoholic would probably also prefer clean booze than bathtub gin.
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Wutang-Yutani posted:Yeah I'm a gambler, but any alcoholic would probably also prefer clean booze than bathtub gin.
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Splicer posted:...bitcoin is the bathtub gin in this analogy, right?
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Splicer posted:...bitcoin is the bathtub gin in this analogy, right? Unfortunately not.
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Bitcoin is the piss in a bottle someone promised to sell you on the parking lot of the abandoned Toys R Us at midnight, bring iTunes gift cards but come alone and unarmed.
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Weatherman posted:weeaboo-yutani Still smarting from this one. Hey you're not the weatherman that used to post on a certain orange forum are you?
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Wutang-Yutani posted:Yeah I'm a gambler, but any alcoholic would probably also prefer clean booze than bathtub gin. just switch to gacha games then idiot or illegally gamble with the mafia in a disreputable establishment, bitcoins are always traceable, actual cash can go back down to cash and be passed around in a way that can clear it, but bitcoins are literally all about broadcasting every single thing that happens to every single coin, the only way to mask a coin's origins are to pass it through an exchange where it'll be in the exchange's wallet and have the exchange do a fucky thing and reassign the money by fiat, which is probably not the sort of thing you want to end up on your rear end or you can mine some butts, putting your butt against an industry that consumes more power than belgium to create carbon pasts
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for example, ross thought he was successfully laundering/obfuscating his transactions where he paid “hitmen” to commit murders. tracing them was trivial.
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Wutang-Yutani posted:I know it's fun to make fun of Bitcoin users but I'm only using it of necessity. buttcoins were made for you. good luck.
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Wutang-Yutani posted:Yeah I'm a gambler, but any alcoholic would probably also prefer clean booze than bathtub gin. clean booze in this case is cash
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Soricidus posted:i think butts are funnier when you understand them properly, but hey, you do you i understand them properly; i just wanted to call you a nerd is that ok
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in case it somehow still isn't clear not only will the recipient know where the money came from, literally everyone on earth has access to the same information, so the recipient won't even need to roll over on you for law enforcement to be aware or if the recipient doesn't know who sent them the money, how the gently caress are they supposed to provide goods and/or services to the right person?
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Wutang-Yutani posted:Still smarting from this one. it was autocorrect`s fault but it looks funny so it stayed and this is an orange forum, what are you talking about
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i want you to slam and then flattin a can of dehydrated strawberries on top of my white paper, then grab my GPUs and violently hash my coins while screaming and finally mining straight down my log chart feelin like i scammed a train of hot oysters
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