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I just finished For all mankind, it was quite good. Are any of the other Apple+ shows worth checking out?
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Oasx posted:I just finished For all mankind, it was quite good. Are any of the other Apple+ shows worth checking out? Servant, The Morning Show, Little America. I've not seen everything Apple TV+ has done, but everything I've seen so far I ended up thinking was good.
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# ? Mar 1, 2020 07:50 |
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RBA Starblade posted:
It airs on IFC, so if you have a cable login you can watch it in their app.
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# ? Mar 1, 2020 08:00 |
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Oasx posted:I just finished For all mankind, it was quite good. Are any of the other Apple+ shows worth checking out? Little America, definitely.
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# ? Mar 1, 2020 09:20 |
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Alchenar posted:Nah that bit, to the extent they did it, is fine. The theme of the show is that every character is working out how to deal with trauma and how much memory makes up the person you are. The problem with S2 is that there's no mystery at all - really early on they reveal the common thread between who's being killed, the reason why is obvious, which makes the twist later on not actually a twist - it's the introduction of a character you don't care about at all. Whereas in S1 the twist character is revealed earlier, had always been an integral part of the plot, and the mystery held and was a good old Conan Doyle style 'the method was obvious all along, you just couldn't see it because you didn't understand the motives in play from the relevant characters'. I went back and watched season 1 and the visuals were much, much more interesting. That and as you said, the story felt a lot less predictable. The slices of the world around everyone we got in each episode livened up the show, which is something season 2 missed.
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# ? Mar 1, 2020 14:51 |
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So, apparently Netflix is doing a chose your own adventure story to continue their (quite good) Carmen Sandiego show. This feels kinda weird, but given the origin oddly appropriate.
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Panzeh posted:I went back and watched season 1 and the visuals were much, much more interesting. That and as you said, the story felt a lot less predictable. The slices of the world around everyone we got in each episode livened up the show, which is something season 2 missed. S1 had a lot of cool details from the books, S2 going and doing its own thing cost it a lot of that material to fall back on. It makes things feel way more generic. Down to calling the aliens elders. Even “Martian” is a better name than “elders”.
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# ? Mar 1, 2020 21:24 |
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You know what the biggest dissapointment is about this season of altered carbon? The soundtrack. The soundtrack to S1 kicked absurd amounts of rear end and this ones been all orchestral score. No awesome moments like Tak shooting his way out of a black site to a PJ Harvey song. Also focusing on the aliens is so loving lame. “Let’s ignore all the stuff that makes the setting unique to focus on aliens, that’s a good idea!
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# ? Mar 2, 2020 00:08 |
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Ugly In The Morning posted:You know what the biggest dissapointment is about this season of altered carbon? The soundtrack. The soundtrack to S1 kicked absurd amounts of rear end and this ones been all orchestral score. No awesome moments like Tak shooting his way out of a black site to a PJ Harvey song. Yeah this has nothing like the great parts where the Neo Nazi guy plays 3 different people in his sleeve- "ok, yeah yeah now we've established the setting we're going all in on plot" and the aesthetic is almost all the most boring part of season 1(the parts on Harlan's World).
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# ? Mar 2, 2020 00:27 |
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What bugged me most was this songspire tree inconsistency, which played a big part in the second season. Feels like a stupid retcon for the sake of creating a story. How in the gently caress can you dick around hundreds of years around these things on Harlan's World, even plan and organize a rebellion, over an extended period of time, on exactly the same spot that'll give you troubles eventually, and never ever whatsoever get hosed up by the thing that drives the second season? Nevermind all the grenades going off there in the first season? Then again, I don't know how it's all working in the books.
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Combat Pretzel posted:What bugged me most was this songspire tree inconsistency, which played a big part in the second season. Feels like a stupid retcon for the sake of creating a story. How in the gently caress can you dick around hundreds of years around these things on Harlan's World, even plan and organize a rebellion, over an extended period of time, on exactly the same spot that'll give you troubles eventually, and never ever whatsoever get hosed up by the thing that drives the second season? Nevermind all the grenades going off there in the first season? Then again, I don't know how it's all working in the books. In the books theyre just there. Occasionally they smell like mustard. The aliens are just a background detail except for a cool bit in the end of the second book, where they end up on an empty Martian spaceship that’s fighting... something. They’re not responsible for the stacks, they just kind of filled the galaxy with stuff that xenoarcheologists go nuts for and vanished.
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Ugly In The Morning posted:In the books theyre just there. Occasionally they smell like mustard. The aliens are just a background detail except for a cool bit in the end of the second book, where they end up on an empty Martian spaceship that’s fighting... something. They’re not responsible for the stacks, they just kind of filled the galaxy with stuff that xenoarcheologists go nuts for and vanished.
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# ? Mar 2, 2020 00:59 |
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Combat Pretzel posted:So they retconned them into a memory bank for the second season? That's kind of dumb, given all the ruckus without any consequences around these structures in the first season. Yeah, the show runners and writers for this are kind of terrible. At this point I’m pretty sure the book doing the heavy lifting, plot-wise, is the only reason S1 turned out as well as it did.
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# ? Mar 2, 2020 01:07 |
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Reading these spoilers makes me feel slightly vindicated for never getting past episode 3 of the first season, even though on paper it should have been a slam dunk for me.
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Big Mean Jerk posted:Reading these spoilers makes me feel slightly vindicated for never getting past episode 3 of the first season, even though on paper it should have been a slam dunk for me. S1 doesn’t go off the rails too bad until episode 7, which is when they start really diverging from the books. It did a lot right, the casting for Kovacs and Ortega was basically exactly as I imagined them, and it looked fantastic. Plus, that soundtrack kicked rear end. S2’s plot is stupid, a bunch of things don’t make sense, and Anthony Mackie is a pretty bad Kovacs. In S1 they were really good about keeping the mannerisms consistent between the different actors playing him, but Mackie just does his usual thing. He doesn’t talk like Kovacs which is a major problem when he’s double sleeved and sharing screen time with Will Yun Lee who talks and moves completely differently. E:bringing Poe back was the kind of move that told me they were going to completely gently caress it up. He had a good arc in S1 but then just deciding that Kovacs got him running again because he was popular with fans shows where their writing priorities are. Ugly In The Morning fucked around with this message at 01:18 on Mar 2, 2020 |
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Ugly In The Morning posted:E:bringing Poe back was the kind of move that told me they were going to completely gently caress it up. He had a good arc in S1 but then just deciding that Kovacs got him running again because he was popular with fans shows where their writing priorities are.
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# ? Mar 2, 2020 01:21 |
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It really sucks when you get a big budget for a sci-fi or fantasy series and amazing sets and actors and costumes and then the writers are just... dumb
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# ? Mar 2, 2020 01:31 |
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zoux posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=69GjaVWeGQM&t=170s Vanity Fair put out so much good poo poo. From these scene breakdowns, to the "Expert in X Field breaks down scenes in movies of that field" videos, to the "Accent guy breaks down accents". Even the "stars answer google questions about themselves" are worth a watch. Quality stuff!
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# ? Mar 2, 2020 01:37 |
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So apparently Terriers is back streaming with FX on Hulu tomorrow?
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# ? Mar 2, 2020 03:35 |
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Everything FX is streaming on Hulu tomorrow including new episodes (a day later).
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# ? Mar 2, 2020 03:37 |
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FX is also running new shows that will only appear on Hulu, like the one from Alex Garland, Devs.
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Ugly In The Morning posted:S1 doesn’t go off the rails too bad until episode 7, which is when they start really diverging from the books. It did a lot right, the casting for Kovacs and Ortega was basically exactly as I imagined them, and it looked fantastic. Plus, that soundtrack kicked rear end. Yeah Mackie was a very poor choice. He didn't bring anything interesting to the Kovacs portrayal and it didn't seem like he acted any differently then he did in the Marvel movies only sadder and angrier in general. S1 could led into a great S2 by keeping Kovacs on Earth as a private detective gathering resources looking into finding Quellcrist and solving bizarre crimes. Instead he's apparently gone from this super mysterious powerful fixer to bouncing around different sleeves until a basic bounty hunter bags him on a random planet to send him off to her boss. And hands down the dumbest thing I've seen in years as a plot device the whole wolf DNA thing being hyped up only to mean...that the Mackie sleeve can't pull the trigger on Jaeger due to alpha male/pack mentality pentyne fucked around with this message at 04:11 on Mar 2, 2020 |
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I'm actually okay with 'the holo transmitter Kovacs has on him at all times? DHF backup to Poe'. The existence of the Elder itself was fine, because the big villain needs the same motivation as everyone else in the season but on a grander scale. But it would have been better if they'd stuck to the pacing of S1 and revealed it in Episode 5, so that Episodes 6, 7 and 8 could have been the build up to trying to defeat it. Instead too much resolution gets crammed into the final episode and it's all ultimately down to one fight sequence.
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muscles like this! posted:FX is also running new shows that will only appear on Hulu, like the one from Alex Garland, Devs. So excited for this omg
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# ? Mar 2, 2020 09:34 |
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muscles like this! posted:FX is also running new shows that will only appear on Hulu, like the one from Alex Garland, Devs. I love me some Alex Garland, but I didn’t know about this.
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# ? Mar 2, 2020 12:11 |
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The Morning show was good, but i'm not quite sure where all the money went, wasn't this supposed to be one of the most expensive shows ever?
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# ? Mar 2, 2020 12:44 |
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Probably on the star’s salaries and them 8K cameras.
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# ? Mar 2, 2020 13:11 |
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Judge Judy is ending. Long live Judy Justice... https://twitter.com/thr/status/1234315023276748801?s=21
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# ? Mar 2, 2020 14:06 |
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Oasx posted:The Morning show was good, but i'm not quite sure where all the money went, wasn't this supposed to be one of the most expensive shows ever? I thought that was See?
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# ? Mar 2, 2020 14:58 |
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It certainly would not surprise me if See was the most expensive piece of trash ever produced for television.
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Ugly In The Morning posted:S1 doesn’t go off the rails too bad until episode 7, which is when they start really diverging from the books. It did a lot right, the casting for Kovacs and Ortega was basically exactly as I imagined them, and it looked fantastic. Plus, that soundtrack kicked rear end. Oh good; there is somewhere to talk about Altered Carbon this season. Season 2 striking off on its own pretty much told me it was going to be baaaad the moment they announced it, and I'm sad I was proven right. 95% of the good parts of season 1 (the others being Skinhead Abuella, that kid's backpack he always had, and Poe) were what was directly adapted from the book, and literally any time they changed something, they hosed it up in some stupidly basic way. Making Envoys into Summercamp Jedi is a big example. And well, all the rest of Episode 7. To be clear; I don't think changing elements for an adaption is necessarily a bad thing, it's just really, REAAAALLY, badly done in Altered Carbon. The first episode just laid bared how creatively deficit the Showrunners are without a book to fall back on; In the first twenty minutes we have another Meth wanting someone to protect them, oops now ~we're solving their murder~, we're based out of the same hotel, and we have a glitchy Poe back somehow despite being erased. Harlan's World is supposed to be heavily Japanese and Russian in its culture and genetic makeup (hence a name like "Takeshi Kovacs"), and is mostly small islands on a large ocean world. With its own veritable Imperial-esque dynasty ruling the planet in the Harlans treating the peasants like poo poo (it's why the Unsettlement happened). Instead we've got a generic Caucasian woman and a British man brown-nosing up to her as the "governor" of a planet that looks generically sci-fi and they mine "ALLOY". Not a specific mineral of any kind, just... "~ALLOY~" . They're throwing random bits of the second and third books together for this trainwreck and I'm morbidly curious to see how this one crashes and burns under its own power without the safety net of a book's being adapted verbatim to fall back on. I doubt we're getting Samedi I fully expect this show to get to a point where the big finale is "We made resleeving go away because it was the morally right thing to do" if it somehow escapes the Netflix Curse and gets a third season. The writers clearly can't come up with any interesting ideas on their own, and don't even understand what makes the elements in the books good or interesting. Also special mention to what's quite possibly the most hamfistedly-bad plot recap I've ever seen in a television show between Poe and that bounty hunter in the bar at the start. Ugly In The Morning posted:Yeah, the show runners and writers for this are kind of terrible. At this point I’m pretty sure the book doing the heavy lifting, plot-wise, is the only reason S1 turned out as well as it did. I was saying this repeatedly in the show's thread last season. If you go into the show having read the book, it's a fascinating mess watching them systematically break a fairly well-constructed detective story to tell their own badly-written one. All the elements in it are meant to feed into different parts of the plot as a whole, and they just did not understand that if you remove or alter something, it's going to affect other parts of the story too. Neddy Seagoon fucked around with this message at 15:50 on Mar 2, 2020 |
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I mean there are things to complain about in s2 of Altered Carbon, but the planet not being islands and one of the antagonists not being Russian or Japanese seems insanely nitpicky. If those were "fixed", how would it have affected the story at all?
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CAPTAIN CAPSLOCK posted:I mean there are things to complain about in s2 of Altered Carbon, but the planet not being islands and one of the antagonists not being Russian or Japanese seems insanely nitpicky. If those were "fixed", how would it have affected the story at all? It was more in the general setting and part of the larger problem with the way the show's made; Harlan's World is generally implied to be heavily based in Japanese culture and architecture, and instead we get generic future buildings and streets functionally identical to New York, and a generic ~corrupt/authoritarian governmental figure~ instead of a family of infighting nobles to play with. It's just reductive and boring compared to what could be pulled from the books and played with.
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# ? Mar 2, 2020 16:04 |
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Ya'll need a thread for this so I don't have to skip over everything before I watch it.
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# ? Mar 2, 2020 16:08 |
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Plus, it would have helped with another major problem of S2. It’s nowhere near as visually striking as 1 was as far as crazy sci-fi locales. Bay City in S1 looked awesome, and here they have an opportunity to make something cool looking yet completely unlike what was in S1... but
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# ? Mar 2, 2020 16:08 |
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Rhyno posted:I thought that was See? From what I can see Morning show cost 15 million dollars per episode. Apparently Jennifer Aniston and Reese Witherspoon got 2 million each per episode.
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Neddy Seagoon posted:Oh good; there is somewhere to talk about Altered Carbon this season. Woof. That's pretty much exactly what I feared based on the previews, synopsis, and the bad stuff in the first season.
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# ? Mar 2, 2020 16:27 |
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Take a drink every time somebody says "what, don't you recognise me?". No, no I don't recognise you, because you've changed sleeves. There's just so many of these moments that just don't make sense in the setting. Like the poor family, clawing their way out of the slums, who somehow have custom engraving on their stacks . Or upon finding a dead body with its stack ripped out, our heroes immediately conclude the stack must be nearby and frantically start searching for it. It just...what? I don't want to be that guy who nitpicks characters reasoning for not being perfectly logical, but so much of what they do and say is completely incoherent.
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Zero One posted:Judge Judy is ending. Long live Judy Justice... Personally I think it's pretty great that it took like a week from her going masks off to everyone becoming aware of her being a millionaire family court ghoul with a terrible court record to her empire crumbling.
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Strom Cuzewon posted:Take a drink every time somebody says "what, don't you recognise me?". That first spoiler was hilarious to me and I loved how it made no sense at all except to clumsily advance the plot.
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