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The Door Frame posted:It's a shame that scion never got the love it deserved, but when you market more expensive versions of the most econobox economy cars to broke people... Every time I see an xB for sale it's ruined. I wish the small box cars had caught on with more manufacturers.
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scion was the best because they were trying to attract Younger Buyers and after like a year the buyer demos were Buick-esque, like worse than Toyota
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Coredump posted:The sad part is if you go back to that era I used to cheerlead the solstice twins so hard. Now I see the error of my ways. If I ever got a chance at a Solstice GXP coupe I would be severely tempted to go for it still. See how well a LFX v6 would fit in there. A legit option, but I know an LS V8 also fits, I think Hot Rod magazine did an LS7 (or documented someone else doing it) when they came out.
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Mallett was doing LS2/LS7 swaps back when the Solstice was still new. They even offered a 900hp turbocharged LS7 package.
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Rhyno posted:Every time I see an xB for sale it's ruined. I wish the small box cars had caught on with more manufacturers. You shut your whore mouth. I hope all those things (Soul, element, cube, XB,XD, Xwhatever the gently caress) plus the Nissan Juke would spontaneously combust, and burn to the ground. E: Sorry, those things make me irrationally angry.
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wesleywillis posted:You shut your whore mouth. I hope all those things (Soul, element, cube, XB,XD, Xwhatever the gently caress) plus the Nissan Juke would spontaneously combust, and burn to the ground. lmao we have Crease: The Car on absolutely everything new these days, Lambos look like Hyundais look like Buicks look like Hondas, with BMW and Lexus chasing the maw and you want to complain about an inexpensive block that will outlive anything made in the last 10 years. Bring back blocks so we can put things in the back of cars without extreme rake killing cargo capacity.
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:scion was the best because they were trying to attract Younger Buyers and after like a year the buyer demos were Buick-esque, like worse than Toyota Yep, my first xB I bought from a retried guy and I see them pop up now and then with super low miles (elderly drivers  ).KakerMix posted:lmao we have Crease: The Car on absolutely everything new these days, Lambos look like Hyundais look like Buicks look like Hondas, with BMW and Lexus chasing the maw and you want to complain about an inexpensive block that will outlive anything made in the last 10 years. Yeah this is one of the things I love about my xB....It's like the last good real hatchback. I can actually fit my bike and my son's bike in it with no issues, try fitting two bikes in any other econobox hatch. The Corolla hatch is a joke in comparison.
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Agreed. It's mostly that we have no proper wagons anymore and just super steeply raked hatchbacks. Bleh.
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:scion was the best because they were trying to attract Younger Buyers and after like a year the buyer demos were Buick-esque, like worse than Toyota
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:it wasn't really a pointless brand at the beginning, the whole point was to be anti-gm For GM it really was innovative and quite innovative for the entire industry. They make it 90% of the way and piss away the last 10% to make something a success. I have to imagine the bright minds there feel like Sisyphus. As in, we almost had it.
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opengl128 posted:Agreed. It's mostly that we have no proper wagons anymore and just super steeply raked hatchbacks. Bleh. "Proper wagons" are still garbage compared to SUVs and minivans when it comes to carrying items. Because cubic footage is just a number, what matters is the opening and the width/height of the cargo space. Most of the world had realized that decades ago and stopped buying station wagons. But you do you. Mazda 3 hatch, the darling of AI, is the worst offender. The rear opening is basically an oval for some idiotic reason. The reason everybody loves the Scion and Soul, is because the rear opening is tall, wide, and square. So it's actually practical, and much better than current crop of tiny SUVs like CX3.
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Nitrox posted:Mazda 3 hatch, the darling of AI, is the worst offender. The rear opening is basically an oval The Volvo C30 would like a word with you (I love my car, and I can put my bike in the back so it's a big enough hole for me, but yeah)
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Colostomy Bag posted:They make it 90% of the way and piss away the last 10% to make something a success. this is basically the story of GM in a nutshell
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Nitrox posted:"Proper wagons" are still garbage compared to SUVs and minivans when it comes to carrying items. Because cubic footage is just a number, what matters is the opening and the width/height of the cargo space. Most of the world had realized that decades ago and stopped buying station wagons. But you do you. Except they moved to minivans and compact hatches, so...
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Nitrox posted:"Proper wagons" are still garbage compared to SUVs and minivans when it comes to carrying items. Because cubic footage is just a number, what matters is the opening and the width/height of the cargo space. Most of the world had realized that decades ago and stopped buying station wagons. But you do you. Mini Clubman: best modern wagon 
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Nitrox posted:"Proper wagons" are still garbage compared to SUVs and minivans when it comes to carrying items. Because cubic footage is just a number, what matters is the opening and the width/height of the cargo space. Most of the world had realized that decades ago and stopped buying station wagons. But you do you. That's more of a Mazda thing than a wagon v SUV thing - the entire Mazda range including the CX-5/8/9 is form before function. Actually the 6 wagon might be the most practically shaped vehicle they make. Anyway if you want practical and small then the Honda Fit is the way to go, amazing amount of space without looking like a cardboard box.
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Godholio posted:Except they moved to minivans and compact hatches, so...
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The best wagon was never sold in the US
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Nitrox posted:That's a funny way to spell Ford Explorer  no. Explorer sales are half of what they were 20 years ago.
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Godholio posted:
even though the nameplate is down SUV/CUV segment is way up
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Godholio posted:
That's because they made them primarily FWD the last generation (No, I'm kidding. Buyers don't really care.)
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Plinkey posted:The best wagon was never sold in the US That doesn't look like a Commodore V8 wagon 
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:even though the nameplate is down SUV/CUV segment is way up We're talking about when station wagons died off, not the years since the recession.
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Nitrox posted:20 years ago is when they stopped making station wagons in favor of SUVs. Look at wagon sales vs SUV sales then and now. In fact look at SUVs vs everything. Nobody wants dipshit car trunk conversions. Except handful of nerds on internet who don't buy that poo poo new anyway. Some of the last traditionally styled wagons are the “commercial vans” sold in Japan for work purposes. They are traditionally styled wagons that would likely bomb pretty hard if non-commercial versions were available.
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Nitrox posted:20 years ago is when they stopped making station wagons in favor of SUVs. Look at wagon sales vs SUV sales then and now. In fact look at SUVs vs everything. Nobody wants dipshit car trunk conversions. Except handful of nerds on internet who don't buy that poo poo new anyway. Station wagons were dying off (at least around here) long before that.
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taqueso posted:That is the least inspired subwoofer install ever That was my first thought when I saw that pic, it's really pretty bad the closer you look
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Godholio posted:Station wagons were dying off (at least around here) long before that. peak wagon was what, sometime in the 1970s?
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:peak wagon was what, sometime in the 1970s? Wagons were the go-to family vehicle. Then the kids who'd grown up riding in wagons grew up and had kids of their own, but didn't want what their parents hauled them around in. So minivans became the in thing. Then the kids who got hauled around in minivans grew up and didn't want what their parents hauled them around in. So SUV/CUVs became the in thing. I can't wait to see what's going to come next.
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I believe it will be some sort of hovercraft.
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Nope, wagons. The pendulum swings in every area of life. What is old is cool again.
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Colostomy Bag posted:Nope, wagons. Hopefully.
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Found a couple of gems   https://tampa.craigslist.org/psc/cto/d/land-lakes-1997-bmw-dakar-m3/7088624658.html  https://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/cto/d/tampa-2006-ariel-atom-original-miles/7088615696.html And some gold......  https://tampa.craigslist.org/pnl/cto/d/pinellas-park-1992-acura-integra-ls/7088331484.html I'd be really tempted to buy it if it wasn't for the automatic seatbelts Applebees Appetizer fucked around with this message at 16:23 on Mar 7, 2020 |
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Applebees Appetizer posted:Found a couple of gems What are "Diagonal brakes"? Is that the circuits are left front, right rear, and right front left rear type deal?
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Applebees Appetizer posted:
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Applebees Appetizer posted:
Christ, it amazes me how many of these infested cars. Hell they were in Ferraris.
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Colostomy Bag posted:Christ, it amazes me how many of these infested cars. Hell they were in Ferraris. it was essentially a legal requirement in the US for a brief shining moment in time - the feds required passive restraint systems (eg airbag) but for older platforms OEMs were allowed to install automatic seatbelts instead because retrofit was too expensive / time consuming. once airbags become more common they go away.
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The Worst stopgap measure.
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wesleywillis posted:What are "Diagonal brakes"? Is that the circuits are left front, right rear, and right front left rear type deal? I think they're referring to slotted brake rotors. Elviscat posted:The Worst stopgap measure. I had a '93 Festiva with these. gently caress them to hell from whence they came.
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