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I don't have a problem with Reiner, Annie, and Gabi getting redeemed because they're not real nazis - they're child soldiers and Janissary-slaves. They're victims of fascism in their own way, and it led to them becoming mass murderers in a situation where it was either that or life and death in a camp. And they were like 10. They'll have to face the consequences of their actions, but affording them subjectivity is a good thing, actually. As for Marley itself, as I was relieved that Hange and Jean and Annie still acknowledge the reality that the people can't be reasoned out of genocide, since it's inherently unreasonable. I actually sorta like the explanation that the Marleyans might just get scared of the Rumbling and back the gently caress off the island, even if Eren is killed. But we still have to deal with their oppression elsewhere. I'm hoping that Eren is doing all of this to recreate the conditions of his own emancipation on a global scale. He's closing in on an already closed world to make everyone rise up and throw off their chains. We saw some of this brewing with the riot that Annie's dad participated in. And I think the false equivalency of the ancient history (which was already misunderstood; Ymir and her descendants were slaves to a DIFFERENT group of white people) was pretty much shot down when Kaya owned Gabi in a debate. Beefstew fucked around with this message at 03:01 on Mar 5, 2020 |
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One of my favorite trends on the something awful forums is when someone reads a chapter, imagines a disappointing resolution, and then complains about the imagined disappointment as if it’s actually happened. Not even unique to this thread.
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JahRoo posted:One of my favorite trends on the something awful forums is when someone reads a chapter, imagines a disappointing resolution, and then complains about the imagined disappointment as if it’s actually happened. Not even unique to this thread. "Eren Is The Hero With A Secret Plan" would be the most controversial ending, so it's both my preferred ending but also the least likely one. After that, you have either "Eren Is Defeated As A True Villain To The End" or "Eren Is Talk-No-Jutsu'd, Kumbaiya Forever" and while those are also both unsatisfying to some degree to different sects of the fanbase, the latter is probably the "safest" option and thus the most likey, imo.
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Mar 5, 2020 06:04
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Nah, I think secret plan Eren is most likely. I want max evil Eren getting killed, ideally, but I can potentially vibe with the others if they're done well.
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Mar 5, 2020 06:07
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 LOL.  LOL. It's kinda dumb that Annie is now comic relief but I also can't help but laugh. This was such a "final season of game of thrones" chapter. I love it.
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Mar 5, 2020 06:23
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Kerning Chameleon posted:"Eren Is The Hero With A Secret Plan" would be the most controversial ending, so it's both my preferred ending but also the least likely one. I mean the most controversial would be "Eren literally wipes out all life outside the island and it actually makes things better".
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Mulva posted:I mean the most controversial would be "Eren literally wipes out all life outside the island and it actually makes things better". Well, yeah, that or "Eren Dies Then The Anti-Eldia Coalition Fleet Bombards Paradise Into Rubble", but believe it or not I'm not actually deluded enough to believe either of those will realistically occur in this manga. Although I wouldn't mind being pleasantly surprised, either. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Mar 5, 2020 07:44
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DaveKap posted:
Love when Jean lunges for Reiner and she's there off to the side doing everything in her power to hold onto that stew
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Don't have much to add besides what a loving great chapter that was, so cathartic.
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Mulva posted:I mean the most controversial would be "Eren literally wipes out all life outside the island and it actually makes things better". Define "better" in this case, because even putting aside the culpability of nations that aren't Marley and their allies, I'm pretty sure that the Titans aren't just gonna magically smoosh only human beings with selectively permeable feet, so it'd be a pretty severe geological disaster too
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I was thinking: just imagine what the rumbling would do to ecosystems around the world, and thus, the climate If it goes true, Paradis might not end up not being very paradisiac
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OnimaruXLR posted:Define "better" in this case, because even putting aside the culpability of nations that aren't Marley and their allies, I'm pretty sure that the Titans aren't just gonna magically smoosh only human beings with selectively permeable feet, so it'd be a pretty severe geological disaster too Killing most of the humans would probably be great for the environment in the long run, especially post industrial revolution humans
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Mar 5, 2020 16:36
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Titan's probably can't swim right? Calling it now that they get to Marley and have a "wait did we miss them" moment and then they start rising from the seafloor.
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The World Inferno posted:Titan's probably can't swim right? Calling it now that they get to Marley and have a "wait did we miss them" moment and then they start rising from the seafloor. Aren’t titans super light and fluffy though? They’d probably just all float
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Maybe Titans can't swim, but just you wait until they inject one of them serums into a squid or octopus so they can make a kraken.
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Mar 5, 2020 20:16
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Arent they supposed to be really light or something? Maybe they can float
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I could swear underwater titans came up some time before
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Eren hid in the water to surprise one of the Marleyan ships that came to investigate the island.
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change my name posted:Aren’t titans super light and fluffy though? They’d probably just all float maybe they all banded together to form a huge raft on which Eren is surfing. the whole manga was leading towards shredding on one big wave
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I hate how they handled Reiner's character. He's just so depressing.
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Sjs00 posted:I hate how they handled Reiner's character. He's just so depressing. That's why he's my second favorite character
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change my name posted:Aren’t titans super light and fluffy though? They’d probably just all float They're lighter than they should be but they're still heavy.
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Lt Jon Kavanaugh posted:That's why he's my second favorite character 
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He started off as such a badass though, during the female Titan Arc. And then he just became a spineless, morose, coward. I guess I understand that he has been emotionally battered by the events that occured but it still just seems contrived. He needs to either sack up or die
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This is a really weird take and we're in a thread with Kerning
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I paid Reiner absolutely no mind until him, Bert, and Ymir were escaping (and it really came out that he's a little messed in the head) and started really liking him after wards when he's trying to deal with his demons.
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I like Reiner and am glad he's around even though him surviving that one battle with the thunder spears was total bullshit
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Sjs00 posted:He started off as such a badass though, during the female Titan Arc. And then he just became a spineless, morose, coward. I guess I understand that he has been emotionally battered by the events that occured but it still just seems contrived. He needs to either sack up or die He and Annie planned that grift, though. He didn't perform his badass escape on his own merits.
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Sjs00 posted:He started off as such a badass though, during the female Titan Arc. And then he just became a spineless, morose, coward. I guess I understand that he has been emotionally battered by the events that occured but it still just seems contrived. He needs to either sack up or die
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Reiner is a great, nuanced charater and I hope we see him get kicked in the face more.
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U-DO Burger posted:I like Reiner and am glad he's around even though him surviving that one battle with the thunder spears was total bullshit
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Reiner's absolutely going to live and it's gonna be so loving funny.
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Badass: being a child soldier who mass murders thousands of people on orders of the occupiers and dissociates so hard to avoid confronting it he forgets his mission Coward: an adult who is overwhelmed with guilt from the incredible amount of blood on his hands
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Reiner is the best. After all his done and been, only a true psychopath or an idiot (Bert) would no be completely broken inside
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Okay I guess I misread his character. It does make sense that he's crushed by his actions. But what I dislike is that he's still alive, and unredeemed. He needs to either redeem himself, somehow, or commit self righteous suicide and pass his Titan ability to someone who will do something with it instead of mope around pointlessly. For example, every time the Titan shifters fight and Reiner is present, but  rather than doing something, whether that is to kill Eren/Armin/Levi, recover the Coordinate/Colossal Titan etc. Specifically the scene in Marley with Eren's big surprise attack; Reiner utterly defeated inside that cell really drove home that feeling of, yeah, he's crushed by guilt into inaction. This chapter with Jean finally punching the poo poo out of him over Marco's death didn't feel cathartic; it's been years since that particular event. What's next for his character? I want him to finally sack up and sacrifice himself in the final confrontation with Eren in a totally satisfying fashion; barring that have his power given to Falco/Gabi etc. I really don't want the series to end with him a shriveled husk who just couldn't get over himself/ wasn't given justice.
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have you ever been through severe emotional or psychological trauma it super doesn't work like peter pan, you don't just think I Can Fly I Can Fly I Can Fly, you don't just bootstraps out of mental breakdowns let alone aiding and abetting genocide or murdering your comrades
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Reiner dying in some "heroic sacrifice" (as if such things actually existed) would ruin the entire point of him growing out of his fascist mentality.
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replace the gundam in that war is bad/wow cool robot meme with a titan and you get this conversation
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Yeah I hope they keep in line with the surprising (by manga standards) realism of people's outcomes and have Reiner end his days as a forgotten veteran doped up and bumming in the streets of district Maria. Not that I want that for him, but I appreciate when media actually acknowledges how lovely the circumstances that a lot of vets get after their fighting days suffering from PTSD and various other ailments.
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iamsosmrt posted:Yeah I hope they keep in line with the surprising (by manga standards) realism of people's outcomes and have Reiner end his days as a forgotten veteran doped up and bumming in the streets of district Maria. Not that I want that for him, but I appreciate when media actually acknowledges how lovely the circumstances that a lot of vets get after their fighting days suffering from PTSD and various other ailments. He’s actually going to die soon no matter what (unless Erin takes the titan out of his body somehow) due to butting up against the shifter time limit.
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