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Sephiroth was a cool if distant guy until he found the basement of the Neibelheim mansion and then he went all crazy.
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Mar 5, 2020 19:01
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Finding out that you're genetically half alien would gently caress most people up.
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Mar 5, 2020 19:07
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If anybody hasn't seen this already: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VlsHRaPAUps Spoilers if you've never played FF7
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Mar 5, 2020 19:11
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I like the way Last Order ends, especially compared to the overblown way Crisis Core did it, but I don't like Sephiroth deciding to jump off of the walkway instead of Cloud getting the win.
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Mar 5, 2020 19:20
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Sefirot just wants someone to hug him
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Mar 5, 2020 19:20
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I'm excited to hear The Price of Freedom and Under the Apple Tree in one of these games.
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Mar 5, 2020 19:22
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MonsieurChoc posted:Here's a completely stupid idea: What if there are two Sephiroths? Because the conversations in Cloud's brain during Disc 1 are relatively friendly, and show some empathy to the guy. And we see from the snippets in FFVII and Crisis Core that Sephiroth did want to be a good person. Cloud wasn't a SOLDIER, he was just some random dude, but he still talked to him about hometowns and family and stuff. So maybe he pulled an Emperor Matheus: when Sephiroth died and fell into the Lifestream, his "bad" side merged with JENOVA and became the would-be God calling Meteor, with the "good" being mostly weak and interfering very lightly. this is more or less true the Sephiroth from the Nibelheim flashbacks is one guy and then there's the Sephiroth you're chasing in the present, who is actually a JENOVA thing that's assumed his form the only time you see the actual guy in the present is when you get to the North Crater and you see his upper torso frozen in materia
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Mar 5, 2020 19:22
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The plot of FF7 gets fairly convoluted, and especially filling in how Cloud got to Midgar, and the time right before that would be neat. I know it was in another media format that he basically went from the tubes to midgar and zack died getting him there, but its not really laid out very well in the game. The first time the game starts to fill in the blanks is when go to the Glacier. I think if you try to get someone familiar with FF7 to on the spot spell out the beats of the plot they get to Junon before it starts to fall apart, and the most dedicated can talk you to the Tiny Bronco. I replayed the game last year and I have trouble piecing together the plot without looking at some reference material. There is so much that could be done to connect the scenes better. Like that stupid plot with stopping Shinra from getting the Huge Materia just kinda falls apart and seems really pointless, why did we blow up that rocket again exactly? FF7 is remembered for all the neat scenes and set pieces, but the overall plot is weak, considering what people expect today. As for thinking about where Part 2 and 3 and so on might cover, FF7 is fairly cleanly split into three parts already. 1) Midgar & Flashbacks in Kalm (which it looks like they will integrate into the Midgar section given the promo stuff) 2) Chasing Sephiroth Across the World; where you travel and visit all the major locations of the world, eventually ending up in the Glacier/Crater. 3) Revisiting different parts of the world and running around dealing with the "big crisis" and the finale. Snail Information fucked around with this message at 19:30 on Mar 5, 2020 |
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Mar 5, 2020 19:25
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grieving for Gandalf posted:this is more or less true And then there’s the argument of whether the JENOVA-Sephiroth is just JENOVA assuming Sephiroth’s form and enacting its own will, or Sephiroth controlling JENOVA to complete his plans. Personally, I always bought into that it’s a hybrid organism at this point, with JENOVA doing its planet eating thing but with the added context of Sephiroth’s murderous rage-thoughts as he was tossed into the Lifestream. e: And when you kill Bizarro and Safer Sephiroth at the end, only then do we see what remains of the true Sephiroth’s will - which is then omnislashed to gently caress by Cloud. HD DAD fucked around with this message at 19:30 on Mar 5, 2020 |
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Mar 5, 2020 19:28
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The worst part is I'm fairly sure the scene with cloud in the tubes and their escape is missable.
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Mar 5, 2020 19:31
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HD DAD posted:And then there’s the argument of whether the JENOVA-Sephiroth is just JENOVA assuming Sephiroth’s form and enacting its own will, or Sephiroth controlling JENOVA to complete his plans. well the thing with the people who have JENOVA cells implanted in them is that they're all subservient to her now, so I imagine she's calling the shots if Sephiroth got absorbed into her. she's Lavos if it played a more direct role in the plot
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Mar 5, 2020 19:32
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grieving for Gandalf posted:well the thing with the people who have JENOVA cells implanted in them is that they're all subservient to her now, so I imagine she's calling the shots if Sephiroth got absorbed into her. she's Lavos if it played a more direct role in the plot Hojo at least seemed to think Sephiroth was in control, if I remember right.
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Mar 5, 2020 19:36
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People always think that aeris is the big spoiler/twist in the game, when its zack who is the real spoiler/twist.
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Mar 5, 2020 19:38
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Aerith and Cloud go « Are you THE beautiful bro!? » Also Aerith going « No peeking! » after she peeked. Game still good after 23 years.
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Mar 5, 2020 19:40
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I had always heard it described as Sephiroth projecting his will/image onto various other failed clones (you know, the numbers, the black cloaks, the "this guy are sick" mumbling) in order to precipitate the Reunion.
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Mar 5, 2020 19:42
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ItBreathes posted:The worst part is I'm fairly sure the scene with cloud in the tubes and their escape is missable. Yeah you had to go back to the Shinra mansion basement in disc 3 (or at least after Cloud gets his head back on straight) to trigger the scene. Since there's no clear reason to go back there at that point, it's easy to miss. I'm pretty sure I only knew about it because a strategy guide told me to do it.
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Mar 5, 2020 19:47
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ItBreathes posted:The worst part is I'm fairly sure the scene with cloud in the tubes and their escape is missable. It is. I never saw it the first time and kept wondering what I missed.
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Mar 5, 2020 19:54
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grieving for Gandalf posted:well the thing with the people who have JENOVA cells implanted in them is that they're all subservient to her now, so I imagine she's calling the shots if Sephiroth got absorbed into her. she's Lavos if it played a more direct role in the plot jenova is barely sentient on her own, she's not capable of "calling the shots." but because every one of her cells is capable of retaining what intelligence she has, most people injected with them experience identity death as a result, which was also the basis for cloud's amnesia sephiroth was strong-willed and pissed off enough to mostly override this process, emerging from the lifestream with control over jenova's hive mind but with her appetite augmenting his personality and goals. there was still enough of him there to take time out of his day to personally mindfuck cloud half to death as revenge for shish-kebabing him during his moment of triumph
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Mar 5, 2020 19:54
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Yeah I always find it odd that the Zack scene and the interviews with Aerith's mom are hidden and missable. They explain a lot and I feel like they're really important.
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Mar 5, 2020 19:55
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At least the Aeris mom scenes, iirc, just flesh out things we already know / are awarish of. The Cloud scene is the linchpin to the whole "who is Cloud" question we've had the whole game and the info in there isn't anywhere else in the game.
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Mar 5, 2020 19:59
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The "SOLDIER boy" stuff is a reference, right? Look forward to Cloud tellin' em.
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Mar 5, 2020 20:18
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For better or for worse, the part in the demo that shows that Shinra was actually behind the reactor explosion shows that Square is probably making the subtler, hard to find plot beats of the original, more explicit. I, and other people here posted thinking that was a change. I even remember Jessie's line in the original, but I never put two and two together.
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Mar 5, 2020 20:42
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Youtuber who has played more of the game doing a q+a here which contained some info that I hadn't heard before, so posting it in case its news to anyone else. https://youtu.be/4MeR_ORm07Q First i knew they cut some flashback sequences from the demo, but he actually shows one with permission from SE. Second he mentions that the non-magic abilities you have change depending on the weapon you equipped, which is kind of cool Mainwaring fucked around with this message at 23:26 on Mar 5, 2020 |
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Mar 5, 2020 20:53
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Yeah, it seems like the thrust move Cloud has in the demo is unique to the buster sword.
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Mar 5, 2020 20:57
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MonsieurChoc posted:Here's a completely stupid idea: What if there are two Sephiroths? Because the conversations in Cloud's brain during Disc 1 are relatively friendly, and show some empathy to the guy. That's actually Cloud's "actual persona" talking to him. It got buried by mind fuckery and Cloud taking on Zack's personality, but it's still inside his head trying to get his attention. As to those easy-to-miss scenes of Cloud and Zack in tubes and such, those weren't in the original Japanese version at all, and got added for the western release. Imagine how confusing the storyline originally was for Japanese players, when there were literally no answers in the game for those missing time periods.
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Mar 5, 2020 21:03
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Detective No. 27 posted:For better or for worse, the part in the demo that shows that Shinra was actually behind the reactor explosion shows that Square is probably making the subtler, hard to find plot beats of the original, more explicit. I, and other people here posted thinking that was a change. I even remember Jessie's line in the original, but I never put two and two together. Eh, Shinra is already after avalanche at the start of FF7R now, since they tried to kill president Shinra in one of the prequel games, something that wasn't true as of the original release. Jessie says it went boom bigger than expected, but it never implies Shinra had a hand in it. In original FF7 they drop the plate just to kill avalanche since they keep blowing up reactors.
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Mar 5, 2020 21:06
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Sneak Lemming posted:Like that stupid plot with stopping Shinra from getting the Huge Materia just kinda falls apart and seems really pointless, why did we blow up that rocket again exactly? FF7 is remembered for all the neat scenes and set pieces, but the overall plot is weak, considering what people expect today. The thing with that is that the Huge Materias are super concentrated spheres of Mako that Shinra made in order to try and use as a nuke against Meteor. Mako is made from the Lifestream, and Bugenhagen showed the party that the Lifestream needs to flow around the planet to keep it healthy. Had it succeeded, Shinra's plan would have dispersed a huge amount of the Lifestream into space with nowhere for it to go, and it would do a ton of damage to the planet in the long run. Cloud and company stopping that from happening makes more sense in that context. AngryRobotsInc posted:Hojo at least seemed to think Sephiroth was in control, if I remember right. Here's the thing. Hojo is always wrong. 
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Mar 5, 2020 21:21
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amigolupus posted:Hojo is always wrong. i believe that a talking cat and a woman can find love, even on the battlefield
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Mar 5, 2020 21:24
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DO IT TO IT posted:Yeah, it seems like the thrust move Cloud has in the demo is unique to the buster sword. I wonder if weapons then will be straight damage upgrades or something like they did with Kingdom Hearts 3 where every weapon is viable and what matters is the abilities/your preferred playstyle.
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Mar 5, 2020 21:24
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ItBreathes posted:Eh, Shinra is already after avalanche at the start of FF7R now, since they tried to kill president Shinra in one of the prequel games, something that wasn't true as of the original release. Jessie says it went boom bigger than expected, but it never implies Shinra had a hand in it. In original FF7 they drop the plate just to kill avalanche since they keep blowing up reactors. It's heavily implied that Shinra are done with the Midgar project, and simply don't care anymore. They just want the promised land. Dropping the plate is more an act of malice than to shut down avalanche.
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Mar 5, 2020 21:34
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Ace Transmuter posted:I wonder if weapons then will be straight damage upgrades or something like they did with Kingdom Hearts 3 where every weapon is viable and what matters is the abilities/your preferred playstyle. People who went to the recent preview event have said that every weapon has a skill tree and is upgradable/usable throughout the entire game.
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Mar 5, 2020 21:36
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DO IT TO IT posted:People who went to the recent preview event have said that every weapon has a skill tree and is upgradable/usable throughout the entire game. Finally, nailbat forever
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Mar 5, 2020 21:50
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Xad posted:Finally, nailbat forever 
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Mar 5, 2020 22:10
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stev posted:Lol the demo was loads harder than the OG reactor section. Ah I had the exact opposite experience, maybe I wasn't paying attention when I was playing the OG. Zaphod42 posted:... you can only play classic on easy, so did you play normal on hard? Because if you played it on easy and now you're complaining its too easy.... Played on normal and classic. Also the moron who didn't put Jessie in the poll can go gently caress himself/herself.
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Mar 5, 2020 22:18
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Xad posted:Finally, nailbat forever Buster Death Sword forever. (Added Effect + Odin)
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Mar 5, 2020 22:19
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Detective No. 27 posted:For better or for worse, the part in the demo that shows that Shinra was actually behind the reactor explosion shows that Square is probably making the subtler, hard to find plot beats of the original, more explicit. I, and other people here posted thinking that was a change. I even remember Jessie's line in the original, but I never put two and two together. I don't think that scene is indicative of what happened in the original. The trailer already showed a scene that mentioned President Shinra intends to brand Avalanche as Wutai insurgents and that definitely never happened.
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Mar 5, 2020 23:28
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Ace Transmuter posted:Blue Mage wrecks shop in FFV, and Enemy Skill breaks FFVII's meager challenge on its knee. to specify: I'm saying blue mage implementations blow not because they're not powerful at their ceiling, but because they involve either - pausing the game to look up encounter locations and walking back and forth until the rng graciously lets the right enemy show up and make it cast the right spell - memorizing said encounter locations when you could just be playing the video game (and walking back and forth until the rng graciously lets the right enemy show up and make it cast the right spell) - clearing dungeons at a casual pace and ending up with a kneecapped class that only knows, like, level 2 old and flamethrower or whatever, when you could've been clearing encounters more efficiently with a class with better dps VII is the worst offender here because white wind and mighty guard are locked behind backtracking and manipulating enemies that you have no reasonable way of assuming can give you them. none of this is fun or engaging gameplay. it's not exploration and the cool feeling of finding out secrets, it's busywork. IX is relatively fine because it's at least less tedious to eat each enemy in any given area anyway, who's waiting for the 2.8-style secret episode of the remake where you play as genesis
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Mar 5, 2020 23:55
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Is Crisis Core or Dirge of Cerberus (or before crisis) worth playing?
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Mar 5, 2020 23:59
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X's implementation would've been fine if Kimahri was, you know. Useful.
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Kimahri makes a good healer taking over for Yuna who takes over for Lulu, though Rikku still has the better overdrive.
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