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COOL CORN posted:I really was annoyed by Nynaeve up until her testing (which I just got to). Nynaeve just gets better and better too, plus she has arguably the highest dramatic irony stat on her character sheet out of like all the main characters so that's always entertaining. Her arc in books 4-5 has some of the best payoffs in the whole series.
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All of Nynaeve's POV chapters are great, because you get to see her incredibly hypocritical inner monologue. The huge chip on her shoulder makes for great reading. Eventually she grows up a bit and stops trying to be the Wisdom and starts being an Aes Sedai
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:
Slight correction, sang real is "royal blood", san greal is "holy grail" or sacred cup So an'greal and san'greal are definitely going after those references Tar Valon is Avalon, and then Arthur/Uther Paendrag
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I'm a little into Gone Girl, and Pike would make a great Moiraine
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Al’Thor Arthur is pretty good as well.
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Rosamund Pike: Moiraine? Jesus, she'd make a fantastic Dark sister or maybe even Lanfear. She plays crazy as gently caress unbelievably well.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Also Lancelot of the Lakes, etc. Names got layers! COOL CORN posted:Galad and Gawyn are definitely names inspired by Arthurian myth right? Galahad and Gawain? GlassEye-Boy posted:Al’Thor Arthur is pretty good as well. Holy poo poo I just got this: Arthur Pendragon - and Rand is the Dragon Reborn! Why did I never notice this? 
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:Rosamund Pike: Moiraine? Jesus, she'd make a fantastic Dark sister or maybe even Lanfear. She plays crazy as gently caress unbelievably well. *grasping at straws* Maybe Angelina Jolie channelling her inner Kathy Bates for Lanfear.
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Just finished up The Great Hunt gently caress yeahhhh, that ending was cinematic as hell, and would make an awesome climax for the first season of the TV show. I kind of zoned out during all the damane stuff, but I'm excited to see Rand come into his own as the Dragon, and supposedly Mat and Perrin are gonna get good eventually?? Nice to see the girls getting more action as well, I assume we'll see them become Aes Sedai before long.
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COOL CORN posted:Nice to see the girls getting more action as well, I assume we'll see them become Aes Sedai before long. Ah. Ahahah. Haaaah. Hooo boy. They're great, though, you're right about that.
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I appreciate the Seanchan having a little nuance. They could have easily been petty tyrants to everyone.
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Pretty evil though, for what they do.
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Yes but they could have just killed off the local population, it would have been very easy to fall into like most fantasy does.
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So the Seanchan are the de facto descendants of Artur Hawkwing, but I thought he was a beloved ruler? So why are the Seanchan such shitheads
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Invalid Validation posted:I appreciate the Seanchan having a little nuance. They could have easily been petty tyrants to everyone. The Seanchan are kind of fascinating, in that they have had a thousand+ years since Hawkwing to develop a completely separate society from Randland. One that not only does NOT have Aes Sedai influence acting as a sort of yoke on the wheel of politics, but one that also went as far as possible in the other direction.
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COOL CORN posted:So the Seanchan are the de facto descendants of Artur Hawkwing, but I thought he was a beloved ruler? So why are the Seanchan such shitheads Ponder beloved rulers of history...
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silvergoose posted:Ponder beloved rulers of history... Touche.
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COOL CORN posted:So the Seanchan are the de facto descendants of Artur Hawkwing, but I thought he was a beloved ruler? So why are the Seanchan such shitheads They plunged a sword into the sea, and were absorbed into the culture that they conquered. Combine that with obvious manipulation by Darkfriends (their Prophecies of the Dragon are clearly corrupted, for example), and the hatred that Hawkwing had for Aes Sedai, and it makes a lot of sense.
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COOL CORN posted:So the Seanchan are the de facto descendants of Artur Hawkwing, but I thought he was a beloved ruler? So why are the Seanchan such shitheads Well that's kind of the point - they came back to Randland expecting to find a sister empire ruled by Hawkwing descendants and instead they found a patchwork of feudal nations where the rulers don't respect or care about the Hawkwing legacy, and let Aes Sedai run wild to boot. Also the Hawkwing expedition spent several centuries merging with the native Seanchan culture, which was apparently all about subterfuge and infighting and extremely high stakes political intrigue, plus being manipulated to be a destabilizing, chaos maximizing force. I feel like the Seanchan worked really well as an example of weird cultural and/or societal fusions and they ended up being significant to the story without being 100% aligned with the protags. I'm kind of bummed we're never going to get the outrigger novels about Mat & Tuon going back, tbh.
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Gnoman posted:They plunged a sword into the sea, and were absorbed into the culture that they conquered. Combine that with obvious manipulation by Darkfriends (their Prophecies of the Dragon are clearly corrupted, for example), and the hatred that Hawkwing had for Aes Sedai, and it makes a lot of sense. A hatred stoked by Ishamael iirc
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It's amazing how utterly incompetent the Forsaken are. They get loose, infiltrate themselves into the highest levels of just about every nation to the point where they are in de facto control and..... do nothing of note.
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They’re also the most powerful beings that can channel. The application never said you had to be anything but loyal. Guess when you’re the Dark One everyone’s disposable.
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I know, but... christ. They had all but won the game if they could just keep their loving egos in check for ten seconds
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something tells me that people who sell their entire being to the antithesis of the creator of the world just for a chance at power might not be the smartest or nicest people, just the most rear end in a top hat-ish
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Mar 16, 2020 23:21
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The best scenes are the ones where the Forsaken are like THEY DID WHAT?!?!
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:The best scenes are the ones where the Forsaken are like THEY DID WHAT?!?! I think the absolute pinnacle of this is when they're told Rand has a set of Choedan Kal access keys and he's planning to cleanse Saidin with them 
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KOGAHAZAN!! posted:I think the absolute pinnacle of this is when they're told Rand has a set of Choedan Kal access keys and he's planning to cleanse Saidin with them The funniest part of that is when one of the female Forsaken (Granedal?) uses this as an opportunity to try undermining her male counterparts - because cleansing the taint reduces their dependence on the Dark One.
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I don't know if it's brilliance or just unfortunate implications that the most notorious slave-owning group in WOT is the one with a southern drawl.
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The Glumslinger posted:I guess this is as good of a time as any to start on that reread Catch up with me! I'm about to start dragon reborn and I started the serious in like... January
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KOGAHAZAN!! posted:I think the absolute pinnacle of this is when they're told Rand has a set of Choedan Kal access keys and he's planning to cleanse Saidin with them Mine has to be Moridin? Going "eh, so what if they have a weather bowl, just one of those can't do poo poo we needed a whole network of them........ GODDAMN YOU MEDDLING KIDS"
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:Mine has to be Moridin? Going "eh, so what if they have a weather bowl, just one of those can't do poo poo we needed a whole network of them........ GODDAMN YOU MEDDLING KIDS" I think mine is the one right after that, when he thinks calmly to himself that he stood in sight of an unraveling web, with the clear implication that he was basically numb with shock.
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I still love when Graendal? Semirhage? No it was Graendal, when she's writing a letter to someone and thinks about how primitive the writing of the Third Age is. They view the modern people as ignorant savages but those ignorant savages keep foiling their plans, sometimes by accident, and it's just amazing.
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Rand is a walking Deus Ex Machina but it’s very funny when he clowns on them.
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Oh that reminds me, in the I am the storm chapter, I always liked how he was like...I lost, I don't lose, gently caress! While at the same time, an opposing general thinks "the ever victorious army, for the second time in these accursed lands, met a defeat"
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I guess Pyrrhus doesn't exist in Randland
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I lied earlier: best moment in the series is Gaul mocking Perrin for eating an entire ham for breakfast
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Ungratek posted:I lied earlier: best moment in the series is Gaul mocking Perrin for eating an entire ham for breakfast A mighty victory!
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:Gaul fucks Not for a year and a day he don’t.
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